Yahweh/God ~ Yahshua/Jesus...Co-Creator

[Javier_R]

Jesus called himself as the Son of God, but this doesn't mean he did it because he had a human mother.

Even the Pharisees theirselves understood what Jesus was preaching about himself, and about He whom sent him to earth. They all knew Jesus was claiming be the Son of God, demonstrating that he has been Son before coming to earth. I think the most popular verse, and where Jesus say he is the Son, is Matthew 28:19

Blessings.

 

[Boanerges(Inactive)]

Anthropomorphism- the applying of human characteristics to another object.

This is a human trait but God needed no wife to have a son and has no limitations such as you and I.

The son was God and yet humbled Himself to become a servant:

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

 

[John_Jervis]

This is a very interesting thread.

But I would only comment on one thing:

You mean the Father, Word and Holy Spirit? Isn't that a better understanding?

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." 1 John 5:7 (KJV)

Again, words mean something. Where is the Son mentioned?

1 John 5:7 is a very, very exciting verse. If you would look at different versions of the bible, they would tell you different statements.

Here's a nice article for everyone:

1 John 5:7

three--Two or three witnesses were required by law to constitute adequate testimony. The only Greek manuscripts in any form which support the words, "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one; and there are three that bear witness in earth," are the Montfortianus of Dublin, copied evidently from the modern Latin Vulgate; the Ravianus, copied from the Complutensian Polyglot; a manuscript at Naples, with the words added in the Margin by a recent hand; Ottobonianus, 298, of the fifteenth century, the Greek of which is a mere translation of the accompanying Latin. All the old versions omit the words. The oldest manuscripts of the Vulgate omit them: the earliest Vulgate manuscript which has them being Wizanburgensis, 99, of the eighth century. A scholium quoted in Matthæi, shows that the words did not arise from fraud; for in the words, in all Greek manuscripts "there are three that bear record," as the Scholiast notices, the word "three" is masculine, because the three things (the Spirit, the water, and the blood) are SYMBOLS OF THE TRINITY. To this CYPRIAN, 196, also refers, "Of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, it is written, 'And these three are one' (a unity)." There must be some mystical truth implied in using "three" (Greek) in the masculine, though the antecedents, "Spirit, water, and blood," are neuter. That THE TRINITY was the truth meant is a natural inference: the triad specified pointing to a still Higher Trinity; as is plain also from 1 John 5:9, "the witness of GOD," referring to the Trinity alluded to in the Spirit, water, and blood. It was therefore first written as a marginal comment to complete the sense of the text, and then, as early at least as the eighth century, was introduced into the text of the Latin Vulgate. The testimony, however, could only be borne on earth to men, not in heaven. The marginal comment, therefore, that inserted "in heaven," was inappropriate. It is on earth that the context evidently requires the witness of the three, the Spirit, the water, and the blood, to be borne: mystically setting forth the divine triune witnesses, the Father, the Spirit, and the Son. LUECKE notices as internal evidence against the words, John never uses "the Father" and "the Word" as correlates, but, like other New Testament writers, associates "the Son" with "the Father," and always refers "the Word" to "God" as its correlate, not "the Father." Vigilius, at the end of the fifth century, is the first who quotes the disputed words as in the text; but no Greek manuscript earlier than the fifteenth is extant with them. The term "Trinity" occurs first in the third century in TERTULLIAN [Against Praxeas, 3].

SOURCE: 1 John 5:7 (King James Version) :: Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown :: Bible Tools

So if we would base the verse in other more reliable sources, even the forumer Cross Reference's version might not be accurate.

The net bible has this version:

“5:7 For there are three that testify, 5:8 the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement.”

Clearly, the Son and even the Father are not present in this particular verse. But I do agree w/ Cross Reference. Words mean something.