Your Expectations From A Church - When You Tithe

When you tithe what would you expect from a church

  • something

    Votes: 2 25.0%
  • nothing

    Votes: 4 50.0%
  • a whole lot

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • i expect to even give more!

    Votes: 2 25.0%

  • Total voters
    8
#21
The church is supposed to help people. That means leading them to Christ and caring for the poor etc. If I am about to be homeless they have a responsibility to help me.

I'm not saying they need to throw wads of cash at people as they sit in their pews, but if the church is full of Christians, and Christians are supposed to be generous, then why would they not help me? I'm not saying that it has to come out of the tithe money because God knows the pastor needs that for the church and maybe his own pockets, but I'm saying that I am a member of a church (which means I have a responsibility to give to the church) I expect someone is this building full of people that are supposed to be generous to help someone in need. That's what I expect. I expect the people to be a higher priority than a useless building.
That sounds better..... My wife and I have taken in 4 family's, a couple girls through the years until the get back on their feet. Folks that went to our church. The Lord said help them and we helped. We have paid rent for folks, water bills, and fed I don't know how many. We are not rich, (Yet) but God supplied us to help.

God told us to help these people, they did not ask us. One girl the Lord told us to give 1,000 to catch up her rent. It was our rent money, but we obeyed. God then pulled a Miracle and got our rent paid and then some. How God did it? I could not even follow.

People have handed me 100.00 bills at church, My son was given a truck at church. He did not ask anyone but believed God.

My point was we don't hint to others about need, God has lots of folks to cross our path to help. We don't look at people in church to help, but to God.

Our church is wealthy, and we use to have a mentality that we need to go to every service in case God has someone to help us. Every single time God has helped us big, it was not through anyone in the Church. I have learned not to expect from any source, but from God.

A month ago we needed 1,000 to pay rent. We had an eviction notice. We had given the rest of our money helping and some women knocks on our door, who does not even go to our church and hands us a check for 1,000.

it's just how it works, if we will put all our trust in God, and not expect from the church or others.

Churches should obey God, and the people in church should take care of each other. I agree with that. I always ask God when at church if there is anyone that he wants me to help, even talk to and cheer up. I don't expect from others though.
 
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#22
That sounds better..... My wife and I have taken in 4 family's, a couple girls through the years until the get back on their feet. Folks that went to our church. The Lord said help them and we helped. We have paid rent for folks, water bills, and fed I don't know how many. We are not rich, (Yet) but God supplied us to help.

God told us to help these people, they did not ask us. One girl the Lord told us to give 1,000 to catch up her rent. It was our rent money, but we obeyed. God then pulled a Miracle and got our rent paid and then some. How God did it? I could not even follow.

People have handed me 100.00 bills at church, My son was given a truck at church. He did not ask anyone but believed God.

My point was we don't hint to others about need, God has lots of folks to cross our path to help. We don't look at people in church to help, but to God.

Our church is wealthy, and we use to have a mentality that we need to go to every service in case God has someone to help us. Every single time God has helped us big, it was not through anyone in the Church. I have learned not to expect from any source, but from God.

A month ago we needed 1,000 to pay rent. We had an eviction notice. We had given the rest of our money helping and some women knocks on our door, who does not even go to our church and hands us a check for 1,000.

it's just how it works, if we will put all our trust in God, and not expect from the church or others.

Churches should obey God, and the people in church should take care of each other. I agree with that. I always ask God when at church if there is anyone that he wants me to help, even talk to and cheer up. I don't expect from others though.

I believe that God puts people in our life to help us. I'm not saying God doesn't command people to help without them even knowing there is a need, but I also think it's prideful to sit back and lose your home because you refuse to ask for help from the people God put in your life.
 
#23
Ok now, both of you. Leave the "requirement" part out of this, it's been overdone. This topic is about what to expect from the church if you tithe. I suspect that Mercedes Benz E Class has been tithing and working in his church for some time now and has run into a situation where he needed help either financially, emotionally, or spiritually and did not receive it. I've seen this same situation mirrored dozens of times, and the problem isn't because of the "Law" or requirement. The answer is really the same regardless of the issue of tithe. A church that isn't willing to help at least emotionally and spiritually has no reason to exist IMO. Now, I know that they can't always help financially, especially with declining memberships and declining offerings in most local churches (oddly enough, Mega churches don't seem to be plagued by that same problem). Even Peter ran into that situation, but he still met the needs of the lame man. At the same time, Pastors are usually pretty swamped. We usually try to work everything out with appointments just to keep ahead of the mountain of expectations. It's hard to meet everyone's needs sometimes.
Well what does the scriptures say?...
 
#24
I believe that God puts people in our life to help us. I'm not saying God doesn't command people to help without them even knowing there is a need, but I also think it's prideful to sit back and lose your home because you refuse to ask for help from the people God put in your life.
Ok.......

Your about to loose your home, they are coming to throw you out and auction it off as a forecloser.

You go to the richest person you know and explain your situation, they agree to help, and take care of everything.

Now that it's all taken care of, you don't go ask other people with far less money.

Is that pride?

What would it be called if the Wealthy person said they would take care of it, but you decided to try to get money from others who had far less to also pay for your house.

What would that be called?
 
#25
Ok.......

Your about to loose your home, they are coming to throw you out and auction it off as a forecloser.

You go to the richest person you know and explain your situation, they agree to help, and take care of everything.

Now that it's all taken care of, you don't go ask other people with far less money.

Is that pride?

What would it be called if the Wealthy person said they would take care of it, but you decided to try to get money from others who had far less to also pay for your house.

What would that be called?
I don't understand what point you are trying to make.
 
#26
I don't understand what point you are trying to make.
Not trying to make any point, just used your lose the house scenario and asked a couple questions you did not answer. Whatever conclusion you draw by how you answer is on you.

They were not hard questions.

I can spell it out in simple English if you don't understand my response for Not asking people for things is called pride, if I need to.

I hope your not in a place where I need to explain though.
 
#27
Not trying to make any point, just used your lose the house scenario and asked a couple questions you did not answer. Whatever conclusion you draw by how you answer is on you.

They were not hard questions.

I can spell it out in simple English if you don't understand my response for Not asking people for things is called pride, if I need to.

I hope your not in a place where I need to explain though.
Refusing to ask for help stems from pride.
 
#29
A) you know I was about to trap you in your own words.

Or

B) you just don't get it.

Don't matter
I don't even know what point you are trying to make.

1. No, I guess.
2. Greed?

Like I said, I don't understand the question. Is it prideful to ask a rich friend for help? No. Is it pride to ask a bunch of people for help? No... I don't understand how your questions have anything to do with our discussion.
 
#30
Ok now, both of you. Leave the "requirement" part out of this, it's been overdone. This topic is about what to expect from the church if you tithe. I suspect that Mercedes Benz E Class has been tithing and working in his church for some time now and has run into a situation where he needed help either financially, emotionally, or spiritually and did not receive it. I've seen this same situation mirrored dozens of times, and the problem isn't because of the "Law" or requirement. The answer is really the same regardless of the issue of tithe. A church that isn't willing to help at least emotionally and spiritually has no reason to exist IMO. Now, I know that they can't always help financially, especially with declining memberships and declining offerings in most local churches (oddly enough, Mega churches don't seem to be plagued by that same problem). Even Peter ran into that situation, but he still met the needs of the lame man. At the same time, Pastors are usually pretty swamped. We usually try to work everything out with appointments just to keep ahead of the mountain of expectations. It's hard to meet everyone's needs sometimes.


I was waiting for someone to see where I was really driving at. Thank you Banareth. This is concise and precise - to the point.

What I basically think, if you are not getting some reward - even just spiritual. Well especially spiritual. You know, that thing when you go to church and you just feel you met God face to face. You just feel you heard His voice. All that some situation was resolved because some leader just said something at the right time. If material great.

I just feel if you are going to a church and I use Hunting's example - if you are gonna pay U$5 000.00 in tithes and then you need to travel to say Europe - urrrrggggently or even help you for a couple of months with U$200.00 so you don't lose your house then -

May I submit to you that you need to find another church. The thing about this thread is not about absolving you of your responsibility to tithe. No way. I wanted to prompt a discussion on the value of exchange. why are people married 46 years. however noble they are - someone is getting something out of it.

So if, and this is for tithers sorry, so if you tithe your hard earned money. Yes its to God. But would you continue to tithe to a church consistently for 8 years (U$5 000.00 per month hypothetically) and not get something out of it? Just curious.

PS

I am a SHE :)
 
#31
I don't even know what point you are trying to make.

1. No, I guess.
2. Greed?

Like I said, I don't understand the question. Is it prideful to ask a rich friend for help? No. Is it pride to ask a bunch of people for help? No... I don't understand how your questions have anything to do with our discussion.
Ummm. You answered the questions correctly.

Jesus said when you pray, believe you recieve. Don't worry about anything. Let your request be made know to God, who is faithful. (Not your request be known to man)

Since God said he would supply our need according to his wealth, then asking him, and then asking a much poorer person (like Bill gates) would be greed, not pride.

You did well.
 
#32
I was waiting for someone to see where I was really driving at. Thank you Banareth. This is concise and precise - to the point.

What I basically think, if you are not getting some reward - even just spiritual. Well especially spiritual. You know, that thing when you go to church and you just feel you met God face to face. You just feel you heard His voice. All that some situation was resolved because some leader just said something at the right time. If material great.

I just feel if you are going to a church and I use Hunting's example - if you are gonna pay U$5 000.00 in tithes and then you need to travel to say Europe - urrrrggggently or even help you for a couple of months with U$200.00 so you don't lose your house then -

May I submit to you that you need to find another church. The thing about this thread is not about absolving you of your responsibility to tithe. No way. I wanted to prompt a discussion on the value of exchange. why are people married 46 years. however noble they are - someone is getting something out of it.

So if, and this is for tithers sorry, so if you tithe your hard earned money. Yes its to God. But would you continue to tithe to a church consistently for 8 years (U$5 000.00 per month hypothetically) and not get something out of it? Just curious.

PS

I am a SHE :)
Who fixes the eggs if your not married?

If your not getting life changing word, why even tithe to a church? Is anything more valuable?

When did you start becomming a she? I guess if your name was f150 then you would have been a he.
 
#35
Euphemia

what are your real reasons for going to a church for 8 years straight.

this question is for people who are brutally honest and not those who hide behind the mask of
"I don't give to get" or "ONLY God is my provider" yadi yadi yada.

its for an honest individual out there, who is giving 5 000.00 bucks a month CONSISTENTLY.

Luckily Banarenth's reply nailed it and cut straight to the chase.

Yes, we don't tithe to get but would you stay in a church that meets non of your needs ESPECIALLY when you tithe?

that's all buddy.
 
#36
Euphemia

what are your real reasons for going to a church for 8 years straight.

this question is for people who are brutally honest and not those who hide behind the mask of
"I don't give to get" or "ONLY God is my provider" yadi yadi yada.

its for an honest individual out there, who is giving 5 000.00 bucks a month CONSISTENTLY.

Luckily Banarenth's reply nailed it and cut straight to the chase.

Yes, we don't tithe to get but would you stay in a church that meets non of your needs ESPECIALLY when you tithe?

that's all buddy.
Hey Euphemia...is a lady too!...lol
 
#38
Euphemia

what are your real reasons for going to a church for 8 years straight.

this question is for people who are brutally honest and not those who hide behind the mask of
"I don't give to get" or "ONLY God is my provider" yadi yadi yada.

its for an honest individual out there, who is giving 5 000.00 bucks a month CONSISTENTLY.

Luckily Banarenth's reply nailed it and cut straight to the chase.

Yes, we don't tithe to get but would you stay in a church that meets non of your needs ESPECIALLY when you tithe?

that's all buddy.
What do you mean "8 years straight"?

I wouldn't make myself a part of a house where God didn't lead me to set my roots down in, and therefore the tithe would go where He does lead me.
 
#39
Ummm. You answered the questions correctly.

Jesus said when you pray, believe you recieve. Don't worry about anything. Let your request be made know to God, who is faithful. (Not your request be known to man)

Since God said he would supply our need according to his wealth, then asking him, and then asking a much poorer person (like Bill gates) would be greed, not pride.

You did well.
So it's a sin to ask church people for money but it's okay to ask one rich person for money when you need it? That doesn't make sense.