Learning Genesis

[Silk]

Tubby - there is always a problem when we look to our fellow human beings because we get into comparing ourselves ("well I'm not as bad as as so and so"). We end up with the lowest common denominator as justification for whatever bad things we do. Christianity tells us we are all sinners and resolves the problem by making us new. We know there is more than the physical world. And I bet you wonder about that every time you look at your children. Science says nothing is ever truly destroyed even Hawkins had to remit his theory that blackholes destroyed information when he was proven wrong. These kind posters are trying to get you the best seat in learning scripture.

So how's Genesis learning going?

 

[TubbyTubby]

Now....., your reply has condemned you, ...you say you don't believe there is a God, but you also said you are guilty of breaking some of the rules, if you truly believed in your heart there wasn't a God who has a set of rules, then you would of never felt condemned about breaking any of them in your conscience, for you see, the Bible isn't just another book, it's the only Book that has ever been written that is alive, and you have just experience it's supernatural power, ...how could some symbols in black and white written in cyber space have convicted your conscience so that you write and tell us what is in your heart? ...I am guilty!

My friend, today, you have indicted yourself, ...

I have what? I think you are mistaking this little exercise for something else. My writing 'guilty' on this thread is not an acceptance of those laws I am simply answering your request to consider them.

Please don't think that I feel 'condemned' by this and that I do actually acknowledge my guilt because I don't. I most certainly don't equate this as having a supernatural experience either.

My personal moral standpoint is separate from your 10 rules.

 

[TubbyTubby]

Tubby - there is always a problem when we look to our fellow human beings because we get into comparing ourselves ("well I'm not as bad as as so and so"). We end up with the lowest common denominator as justification for whatever bad things we do. Christianity tells us we are all sinners and resolves the problem by making us new. We know there is more than the physical world. And I bet you wonder about that every time you look at your children.

You would lose that bet I'm afraid.

Science says nothing is ever truly destroyed even Hawkins had to remit his theory that blackholes destroyed information when he was proven wrong. These kind posters are trying to get you the best seat in learning scripture.

So how's Genesis learning going?

I'm not sure in what context you are using the Stephen Hawkin theory of blackholes or what point you are making. The paradox comes from General Relativity not aligning with Quantum mechanics. These theories are still being considered, Hawkin has no shame in finding errors in his work and trying to discover what is actually true.

My Genesis learning is slow, partly because the general consensus here is that the bible should be taken literally and so that makes it even more difficult to understand than if I could treat it as abstract and up for interpretation.

 

[Major]

You would lose that bet I'm afraid.


I'm not sure in what context you are using the Stephen Hawkin theory of blackholes or what point you are making. The paradox comes from General Relativity not aligning with Quantum mechanics. These theories are still being considered, Hawkin has no shame in finding errors in his work and trying to discover what is actually true.

My Genesis learning is slow, partly because the general consensus here is that the bible should be taken literally and so that makes it even more difficult to understand than if I could treat it as abstract and up for interpretation.

Honestly Mr. Tubby......what did you expect to find on a CHRISTIAN forum site????

That would be like going to a forum on fixing old cars and asking the people there what fertilizer to use on rose bushes!!!

The truth is, at least in my personal view, is that I really do not care where we came from or when or how. All of that is nothing but a smoke screen to cover up and confuse the real issue that confronts all men.

"Whom do you say that Jesus Christ is"???

Most everyone here, if the truth be told the people here are interested in your salvation and trying to prove that there is God who created all things therefore you need to accept Him and believe in Him.

BUT YOU already know that.....right???

You see Mr. Tubby......it is NOT how we begin life, it is how we finish life!!!!

 

[JustPassingThru]

Morning Tubby,

My Genesis learning is slow, partly because the general consensus here is that the bible should be taken literally and so that makes it even more difficult to understand than if I could treat it as abstract and up for interpretation.

You said it, you have to either believe it or reject it, God is not abstract, He is real and your not being able to understand or interpretate it your way is just more proof for you that He exists, ...man, the evidence is stacking up here if you would only take the time to see it.

My personal moral standpoint is separate from your 10 rules.

Now that is an interesting thing to say, do you always live up to your personal moral standards and if not what is the penalty if you don't?


And, ...did you take the time to reflect and meditate on, in all fairness, like you do with other philosophies and information as to whether God exists, ...did you ask Him?

In His Love,

Gene

 

[TubbyTubby]

Honestly Mr. Tubby......what did you expect to find on a CHRISTIAN forum site????

That would be like going to a forum on fixing old cars and asking the people there what fertilizer to use on rose bushes!!!

The truth is, at least in my personal view, is that I really do not care where we came from or when or how. All of that is nothing but a smoke screen to cover up and confuse the real issue that confronts all men.

"Whom do you say that Jesus Christ is"???

Most everyone here, if the truth be told the people here are interested in your salvation and trying to prove that there is God who created all things therefore you need to accept Him and believe in Him.

BUT YOU already know that.....right???

You see Mr. Tubby......it is NOT how we begin life, it is how we finish life!!!!

"This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else"

I thought a couple of quotes from one of my favorite films might fit in well here.

 

[God calls me Olivia]

"This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else"

I thought a couple of quotes from one of my favorite films might fit in well here.

It is true that we are all physically decaying organic matter. But the beautiful or unique snowflake part is spiritual, not physical. Tell me what do you think happens when you die? Do you think that you are just physical matter that settles back into the dust?

Again lets come back to non physical attributes like love, or your sense of morality that makes you hate murder.

I asked you a question regarding this and I am hoping you will answer it.

"I still want to know however, since you believe love is a result of social behavior who initially had love that the behavior was passed on socially?"

This could apply to your sense (whatever you want to call it) of murder being wrong. Where did that sense of wrong come from. It isn't quantifiable, yet you would have to admit it is real.

 

[TubbyTubby]

It is true that we are all physically decaying organic matter. But the beautiful or unique snowflake part is spiritual, not physical. Tell me what do you think happens when you die? Do you think that you are just physical matter that settles back into the dust?

Yes, when we die, the elements that form our body decay just the same as any other living plant or animal.

Again lets come back to non physical attributes like love, or your sense of morality that makes you hate murder.

I asked you a question regarding this and I am hoping you will answer it.

"I still want to know however, since you believe love is a result of social behavior who initially had love that the behavior was passed on socially?"

I don't hate murder, I hate whatever process went into making a human so intensely insane that he could commit murder.

I'm not sure about love. I don't really know what it means. My cat will exhibit what you might call love when I stroke it but it's likely just pleased that I treat it well and it wants to re-inforce that bond so I continue to give it what it wants.

My children clearly are happy to be around me but perhaps they are just the same as the cat albeit in a more cognitive way? I care for them and take care of their needs, I ensure that they grow with a freedom of thought and compassion for others. I see it as a chemical release that happens with other emotions that is maybe linked with our evolutionary past in that it helps to create a strong bond with our immediate kin.

So, to sort of try and answer your question, I think love is part of our evolutionary background when we started to create a 'family unit'. It is a means of survival, to devote your care for your offspring ultimately ensures the survival of the species. The chemical process has been with us for a long time and is exhibited in many species, it's just Homo Sapiens that have eventually evolved to develop complex communication and actually give this trait an actual name - 'Love'.

This could apply to your sense (whatever you want to call it) of murder being wrong. Where did that sense of wrong come from. It isn't quantifiable, yet you would have to admit it is real.

I would suggest that my sense of murder being wrong is closely linked to my description above, only inversely. And yes, it is very real as it's why we have managed to get where we are today.

 

[Silk]

Sorry if I wasn't clear Tubby. I brought up that nothing is destroyed, even in a black hole to try and point out that there is an afterlife. Some may disagree, but flesh is not the image of God - the soul is. And it is this that is eternal. (as another poster has noted). When I said - look at your children - I assumed it would be with love and I thought any parent would want that love eternal for those we love. (my bad).

Another movie quote: "You can't handle the truth."

I want to learn about Genesis, too. Where were we?

 

[TubbyTubby]

Another movie quote: "You can't handle the truth."

I want to learn about Genesis, too. Where were we?

Which truth is that Silk? My truth or your truth? It's subjective isn't it when there is more than one truth. I can handle my truth and you, no doubt, can handle yours.

Genesis, yes I mean to carry on. The thread moves away so often it's difficult to keep up but it's always interesting reading whichever way it moves.

 

[TubbyTubby]

When I said - look at your children - I assumed it would be with love and I thought any parent would want that love eternal for those we love. (my bad). [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

I like to think I care for my children and 'love' them as well as any other responsible parent. You don't need to justify your comment, I accept it as how you see it, that's the essence of forum.

Nothing is eternal

 

[Silk]

The quote was from a movie and was just a reply to yours. There is only one truth and it is not subjective. In the movie, the truth was subjective and ugly. And it was about murder.

 

[Silk]

I like to think I care for my children and 'love' them as well as any other responsible parent. You don't need to justify your comment, I accept it as how you see it, that's the essence of forum.

Nothing is eternal

I'm confused now. Which comment am I justifying? Why would I need to? You said you didn't look at your children as I said. "That I would lose the bet". I wasn't trying to be cute about it.

PS - ok you can't handle I just thought was funny. Sigh

 

[TubbyTubby]

The quote was from a movie and was just a reply to yours. There is only one truth and it is not subjective. In the movie, the truth was subjective and ugly. And it was about murder.

I only use a quote if I agree with its sentiment, not saying you don't agree with yours but I wouldn't ever use one as a throwaway. "You can't handle the truth" is a powerful quote (from a very good film) though.

 

[Silk]

It did seem apt to me, however, it was an iconic - everyone knows it kinda quote. A throwaway as many comics have used it. Weren't yours?

 

[TubbyTubby]

I'm confused now. Which comment am I justifying? Why would I need to? You said you didn't look at your children as I said. "That I would lose the bet". I wasn't trying to be cute about it.

PS - ok you can't handle I just thought was funny. Sigh

It was your 'my bad' statement that I was referring to. I understand that as a way of apologising but I could well be wrong. I don't use the phrase myself so I maybe misunderstanding you. I just didn't see that you needed to apologise to me for stating your opinion.

 

[Silk]

It was your 'my bad' statement that I was referring to. I understand that as a way of apologising but I could well be wrong. I don't use the phrase myself so I maybe misunderstanding you. I just didn't see that you needed to apologise to me for stating your opinion.

OK - Thanks but I wasn't apologizing for my view, I was apologizing for assuming any parents look at their children with love or that they want what is best for them.

 

[Major]

"This is your life and it's ending one minute at a time."

"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else"

I thought a couple of quotes from one of my favorite films might fit in well here.

Those quotes are very correct. Now, what do you do when the snowflake melts??????

Life is preparation for eternity.

 

[Major]

I like to think I care for my children and 'love' them as well as any other responsible parent. You don't need to justify your comment, I accept it as how you see it, that's the essence of forum.

Nothing is eternal

YES it is. Heaven and Hell are eternal my friend. Simply because you believe in neither one does not make either one not eternal.

You see, truth is not what you or me say it is.....it is what God says it is.

 

[TubbyTubby]

Those quotes are very correct. Now, what do you do when the snowflake melts??????

Life is preparation for eternity.

You are NOT a beautiful or unique snowflake.