Not me! I knew what you were saying.
Did you read 392??? You were willing to take her place.
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Not me! I knew what you were saying.
Did you read 392??? You were willing to take her place.
Tubby, we didn't miss the point, we all understand it more than you do, every one of us here that you would call Christan, have been in the same place as that precious young woman, but, ...we have accepted the scientific fact Jesus stepped in and saved us from dying.
In His Love,
Gene
In His Love,
Gene
If there is no truth and all is subjective, then so isn't that premise not true and only subjective...
Which part did I miss?????
"We danced for an hour even though she could barely stand." Or was it this bit "This is my example of compassion and love as I know it." ??
Course if you were just telling a made up story using the 'first person' , then my second observation kicks in....you are playing us.
I think? I saw what you meant to convey. However well you see yourself in the story, the story is really all about you, not the dying friend. You gave up on her, science and medicine gave up on her but God does not give up on any of us. Most of us have lost loved ones - their flesh died. The grief I have felt was always for myself - that I must go on without them. The difference? I know I will see them again.
The huge difference Major being that Jesus died for all mankind not just one person and He had the authority to lay down His life and take it up again.
In Jesus' case, there was no misplaced loyalty, no selfish motivation, just pure love, something that can not exist because you can't produce it in the science lab
I see no similarity here whatsoever. In addition, Jesus was not an atheist.
It's not a made up story.
The 'story' is about her, myself and my wife. The difference is not lying to my dying friend.
I might have missed that - did you tell your dying friend about your agnostic/atheistic beliefs? And was she comforted? Did she believe as you do?
It wasn't.
The huge difference Major being that Jesus died for all mankind not just one person and He had the authority to lay down His life and take it up again.
In Jesus' case, there was no misplaced loyalty, no selfish motivation, just pure love, something that can not exist because you can't produce it in the science lab
I see no similarity here whatsoever. In addition, Jesus was not an atheist.
Of course you are correct.
I just didn't think that Mr. Tubby would be able to grasp that theological point being a non-believer who has never read the Bible.
Well well now, page 21 and we haven't got past ch 1 yet!!
That's good, but actually, ......we haven't passed the first verse yet!
Blessings,
Gene
That's good, but actually, ......we haven't passed the first verse yet!
Blessings,
Gene
I am very glad you are interested in the Creation story but again remember, it is not how we start life, but it is all about how we end our life. Creation starts it but the cross is God's way of ending it for us.
Yeah! And its not so much about the details as to the general principles (this was given to ancients who had to be able to understand)...it is all to bring us to the story of God and mankind, and God's loving redemption...all else is commentary.
Even you agree and can see that the universe became what it is now through a series of stages...even scientists admit what they call the Big Bang was instantaneous (in less than a 10th of a second nothing became everythingness)....there was no light and BANG there was light...all else developed in stages from that beginning...the stars and the planets formed and then one of the planets (the earth) is focused on as it develops atmosphere and is covered at first with water...then dry land appears...creatures and plant life form first in the seas and then on land...and then humankind is formed and this is where the real story begins...the next chapter and all subsequent chapters following focus on this theme...
blessings
Yeah! And its not so much about the details as to the general principles (this was given to ancients who had to be able to understand)...it is all to bring us to the story of God and mankind, and God's loving redemption...all else is commentary.
Even you agree and can see that the universe became what it is now through a series of stages...even scientists admit what they call the Big Bang was instantaneous (in less than a 10th of a second nothing became everythingness)....there was no light and BANG there was light...all else developed in stages from that beginning...the stars and the planets formed and then one of the planets (the earth) is focused on as it develops atmosphere and is covered at first with water...then dry land appears...creatures and plant life form first in the seas and then on land...and then humankind is formed and this is where the real story begins...the next chapter and all subsequent chapters following focus on this theme...
blessings
You just may be on to something there.
ALL: Tubby wants proof of God's existence. No one can give that to him because he doesn't want to open his eyes to the truth. He's being evasive to questions many have posted. If you cannot see the truth about what he's doing then y'all need to pray more. I engaged thinking maybe he was wanting answers, but he's not willing to open his heart to the wonderful gift of Jesus the Christ, God Almighty.
If there were one definitive piece of proof, then who needs faith?
Ephesians 2:8 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Matthew 12:39 (KJV)
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
If there were one definitive piece of proof, then who needs faith?
Ephesians 2:8 (KJV)
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
Matthew 12:39 (KJV)
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
What I have noticed is that many people think an unbeliever is going to always instantly or quickly come to salvation. "faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ" (Romans 10:17). Tubby has only been here since the end of January if you look at his profile. That is not very long.
“A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. 7So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’8“ ‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. 9If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down" (Luke 13:6-9).
Yes there is a time to stop, but only the Lord knows that and yes I know the pearls before swine verse. If God tells me to stop I will, but as you can see in the parable 4 years was given which is way longer than a little over two months. As you can see not answered questions of mine I have brought up again and he has answered them. Anyone can do the same. If God tells someone to stop they should, but I will continue for now happy that Tubbytubby is here. I am not worried about his motives. I am concerned about whether he is being fed the gospel and God's word. I know I can't save anyone. It is God who saves.
If Tubbytubby comes back I will continue until either he stops or God tells me to stop.
Tubbytubby I would like to hear directly from you however, the honest answer to my question. What was your purpose in telling the story of you with your friend? I now see you say it was not lying to your friend. How can you know that is true since you only have the minute theories of man for your own invalid proof since your proof cannot be proven unto infinity because you are not omniscient or omnipresent.
We at least have faith in the One who is omniscient and omnipresent and have had true spiritual experiences with Him (enough so that it has caused each of us to be changed in who we are and how we act) which is more of a proof to us because it is personally encountered and experienced, whereas your beliefs aren't even based on any type of experience.
We at least have faith in the One who is omniscient and omnipresent and have had true spiritual experiences with Him (enough so that it has caused each of us to be changed in who we are and how we act) which is more of a proof to us because it is personally encountered and experienced, whereas your beliefs aren't even based on any type of experience.
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