Do You Believe Atheists "choose" To Go To Hell?

[Euphemia]

You don't know that for certain. God will deal with them as He sees fit

Atheists reject Jesus Christ for salvation. Therefore, should they die atheists, they will be condemned, according to God's word. That is how God sees fit to deal with those who reject His precious gift.

 

[Euphemia]

I don't care.

You should care.

How should I know? I don't go tallying the results, I just live the best life I can.

Many believers have the pleasure of leading someone to salvation. I was just asking, wondering if your approach has had any success among unbelievers you are leading to Christ.

You do it your way then, and I'll do it my way.

I do it God's way.

 

[Euphemia]

I don't think we need to be keeping track. God doesn't look at numbers.

Besides it smacks of works. 'Look at what I did.'

Oh, I know! I asked because he seems to think he is effective at his approach in presenting the gospel message to unbelievers..

 

[PeaceLikeaRiver]

I don't tell people they are going to hell. More jumping to conclusions, I see!

Oh, come on. It's really not that hard to search a screen with the words Euphemia and hellfire. See for yourself how often you've done it. Or is that God's judgment and not yours, which makes it OK?

People aren't cast into hell because of certain sins. They are condemned because of their position before God as unrighteous. That can only be overturned by being covered by the blood of Jesus.

Then you shouldn't have any problem letting God deal with it. You're off the hook - you don't have to proselytize anymore.

I certainly cannot speak for all Christians, but I can speak what God's word says about a matter...and that is what I do in obedience to Him.

And what do you do when you find yourself arguing with another Christian who is also quoting the identical scripture as you, but you're arriving at different understandings and conclusions?

Any church that doesn't make a stand for righteousness is a compromised church and not worthy. Homosexuals are more than welcome in our church, and they will hear the truth of God's word every time they come, and if there is no repentance but rather a resistance to the truth and a persistence in holding to their sin, all the while enjoying fellowship with us, then they will be corrected a number of times after which if there is no repentance and they will be asked to leave.

"Do it our way or hit the road." Real nice. How are you going to teach them not to be homosexuals anymore?

God is merciful and His mercy is great---new every morning, in fact! However, there is a time coming where God will set aside His mercy, and the universe will experience His unrestrained wrath. Don't be an ostrich about this fact.

I don't believe in the rapture, sorry. Lots of Christians don't.

Yes, they are wrong.

No, they are not wrong, you have a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. You think they're wrong and they think you're wrong. You are deadlocked.

I condemn no one. You are jumping to conclusions all over the place, aren't you? Now THAT"S a bad habit, mister!

I think it's pretty obvious you've been condemning pretty much since the start of our conversations, and you haven't stopped. Again, it's not hard to go back and reread your posts.

I repeat: NO one is saved by good behaviour, or living a moral life! No one is good! God says so---so please get that clearly.

Your argument is not with me, it's with the Catholic church, the Lutheran church, the Episcopalians, the Methodists...the list goes on. All of those churches do not believe in faith alone.

What do you mean, "people like you"??? You are wrong again in your judgmental comments.

People who say atheists hate God, which you did. Calm yourself.

 

[PeaceLikeaRiver]

Many believers have the pleasure of leading someone to salvation. I was just asking, wondering if your approach has had any success among unbelievers you are leading to Christ.

I don't think it works that way. I think someone sees a calm, kind and placid person and wants to know what makes that person kind and calm and placid, and they ask. And that gives you a chance to tell them what you do and why it works for you.

But...

I do it God's way.

Of course you do.

 

[PeaceLikeaRiver]

Atheists reject Jesus Christ for salvation. Therefore, should they die atheists, they will be condemned, according to God's word. That is how God sees fit to deal with those who reject His precious gift.

Here, have a gift, and if you don't accept it I'll torture you forever.

I don't believe God is a tyrannical monster. I'm really sorry that you do.

 

[Euphemia]

Oh, come on. It's really not that hard to search a screen with the words Euphemia and hellfire. See for yourself how often you've done it. Or is that God's judgment and not yours, which makes it OK?
Then you shouldn't have any problem letting God deal with it. You're off the hook - you don't have to proselytize anymore.

LOL! You are hilarious!

And what do you do when you find yourself arguing with another Christian who is also quoting the identical scripture as you, but you're arriving at different understandings and conclusions?

I love them anyway. Spirit-filled Christians agree on all the important things, anyway.

"Do it our way or hit the road." Real nice. How are you going to teach them not to be homosexuals anymore?

God does the teaching, ultimately. According to God's word, churches are to send out those who continue to sin and reject God. We obey Him.

I don't believe in the rapture, sorry. Lots of Christians don't.

Are we talking about the rapture, here? SMH

No, they are not wrong, you have a DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. You think they're wrong and they think you're wrong. You are deadlocked.

Yes, they are wrong and misunderstand the interpretations of the word Hades. It means grave--as does Sheol, but it is interpreted as hell. There are other words for Hell: Gehenna, Lake of Fire, Tartarus, Hades, Sheol, and Hell itself. People need to be aware of what they are discussing---is it the grave or the place of eternal punishment?

I think it's pretty obvious you've been condemning pretty much since the start of our conversations, and you haven't stopped. Again, it's not hard to go back and reread your posts.

So, you lie. All you have to offer is your brand of condemnation and nasty rhetoric, which is certainly not Christ-like.

Your argument is not with me, it's with the Catholic church, the Lutheran church, the Episcopalians, the Methodists...the list goes on. All of those churches do not believe in faith alone.

Actually I am speaking to you.

People who say atheists hate God, which you did. Calm yourself.

Yep, many atheists claim their atheism because they are mad at or hate God, or who they thing God claims to be.[/QUOTE]

 

[Euphemia]

I don't think it works that way. I think someone sees a calm, kind and placid person and wants to know what makes that person kind and calm and placid, and they ask. And that gives you a chance to tell them what you do and why it works for you.

Often is is just like that.

 

[Euphemia]

Here, have a gift, and if you don't accept it I'll torture you forever.

I don't believe God is a tyrannical monster. I'm really sorry that you do.

He isn't. You seem to think He is and are working awfully hard to not think that. In fact that comment is one that unbelievers often use. Why do you?

 

[God is Love]

What I mean is that people tell me that like I'm not a Christian yet or haven't achieved some spiritual level that will make me on par with others.

Euphemia was being snappy earlier because that's the way she always is. Christians are quick to judge others because they think they are superior or have a clearer picture of the truth when that isn't so.

It wasn't clear that you accidentally quoted me earlier. I reread it a few times because it didn't make sense, but if the thought had even crossed my mind that it was an accident I wouldn't have responded the way I did.

See I saw it completely different. I wasn't judging your "spiritual level" I as just trying to be friendly. And when I read Euphemia's posts it really didn't seem like that to me bro. You do realize you are the one judging others? "Christians are quick to judge others because they think they are superior or have a clearer picture of the truth when that isn't so"

 

[PeaceLikeaRiver]

Spirit-filled Christians agree on all the important things, anyway.

What is a "spirit-filled Christian"? Can't you just say Christian? It seems to me all Christians would be spirit filled.

God does the teaching, ultimately. According to God's word, churches are to send out those who continue to sin and reject God. We obey Him.

When you say "sin and reject God," are you sure you're not using your own standards? It seems to me you've gotten so used to speaking on God's behalf, you just ascribe "God" to anything YOU don't happen to like. As the old saying goes, "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."

Are we talking about the rapture, here? SMH

I don't know WHAT the heck you're talking about, but it sounds appalling. Are you looking FORWARD to God coming down and wiping us all out? What on earth for?

Yes, they are wrong and misunderstand the interpretations of the word Hades. It means grave--as does Sheol, but it is interpreted as hell. There are other words for Hell: Gehenna, Lake of Fire, Tartarus, Hades, Sheol, and Hell itself. People need to be aware of what they are discussing---is it the grave or the place of eternal punishment?

And once again, YOUR interpretation just happens to be the correct one, right? This is the problem I think you're having - you see everything in black or white terms and ignore all the different shades of grey.

So, you lie. All you have to offer is your brand of condemnation and nasty rhetoric, which is certainly not Christ-like.

I'm not interested in your opinion of me. And what I condemn is hatred and bigotry. What you condemn seems to be everything you don't like. You aren't able to disagree, you just judge, judge, judge.

Actually I am speaking to you.

I see. And all those churches who disagree with you and feel the way I do, I guess they're just wrong eh? As usual? Since you've got God on your side at all times?

Yep, many atheists claim their atheism because they are mad at or hate God, or who they thing God claims to be.

That is absurd in the extreme, and easily disproven by having a simple conversation with an atheist.

 

[PeaceLikeaRiver]

He isn't. You seem to think He is and are working awfully hard to not think that. In fact that comment is one that unbelievers often use. Why do you?

You think God is going to send atheists, homosexuals, and...God knows WHO else to a pit of hellfire for an eternity. I think God is a just and merciful God who isn't going to kill all the people you don't like. I think that's pretty clear that your God is the monster and mine isn't.

 

[Euphemia]

What is a "spirit-filled Christian"? Can't you just say Christian? It seems to me all Christians would be spirit filled.

There are Christians and then there are Spirit-filled Christians who have submitted to the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Not all Chrisitians submit to that.

When you say "sin and reject God," are you sure you're not using your own standards? It seems to me you've gotten so used to speaking on God's behalf, you just ascribe "God" to anything YOU don't happen to like. As the old saying goes, "You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."

Nope.

I don't know WHAT the heck you're talking about, but it sounds appalling. Are you looking FORWARD to God coming down and wiping us all out? What on earth for?

You're the one who brought the subject up. I haven't said a word about it. Of course I look forward to my Saviour taking me to Himself! Every Christian does.

And once again, YOUR interpretation just happens to be the correct one, right? This is the problem I think you're having - you see everything in black or white terms and ignore all the different shades of grey.

There is no such thing as gray with God.

I'm not interested in your opinion of me. And what I condemn is hatred and bigotry. What you condemn seems to be everything you don't like. You aren't able to disagree, you just judge, judge, judge.

All I see here is your mis-judging constantly. It's a sport, right???

I see.

You do?

And all those churches who disagree with you and feel the way I do, I guess they're just wrong eh? As usual? Since you've got God on your side at all times?

Isn't he on your side?

That is absurd in the extreme, and easily disproven by having a simple conversation with an atheist.

Try having one.

 

[Euphemia]

You think God is going to send atheists, homosexuals, and...God knows WHO else to a pit of hellfire for an eternity. I think God is a just and merciful God who isn't going to kill all the people you don't like. I think that's pretty clear that your God is the monster and mine isn't.

No, I don't think that. I know it because that is what God says He will do. I'm not into fairy tales like you seem to be. Your God doesn't exist.

I think you are only at CFS to wind up people. Disingenuous.

 

[Where is the Messiah]

You think God is going to send atheists, homosexuals, and...God knows WHO else to a pit of hellfire for an eternity. I think God is a just and merciful God who isn't going to kill all the people you don't like. I think that's pretty clear that your God is the monster and mine isn't.

But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

 

[Euphemia]

Um, yeah. I might not agree with their reason but I can still respect their reasons for making it.

So, you'd respect them right into hell, then? I'm sure they'll appreciate that.

 

[God is Love]

@PeaceLikeaRiver I can't tell if all those old ratings you gave me are from revenge? Btw is that Christian too? I mean you have been introducing a lot of new concepts on this thread, i'd like to know if hate is a new Christian quality we should all have also.

Yes, it is our job, but pounding them over the head with Scripture isn't the most effective way.

As Augustine said - 'preach the Gospel, use words if necessary.'

if you don't use words then you aren't spreading the Gospel. The only person on this thread who assumes talking about the Gospel is "pounding them over the head with Scripture" is peacelikeariver because he wants to have a reason to not follow what is clearly written. No one said to be be annoying to others when spreading the Gospel, the whole point behind spreading it is to use the most effective method (don't confuse this with methods that are clearly unbiblical) to have the other person listen, so yes obviously we wouldn't try to spread the Gospel by annoying a person.

 

[PeaceLikeaRiver]

But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

I am not "talking back" to God, merely pointing out that His views might just possibly be misrepresented here.

 

[PeaceLikeaRiver]

But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’” Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

I am not "talking back" to God, merely pointing out that His views might just possibly be misrepresented here.

 

[Euphemia]

I am not "talking back" to God, merely pointing out that His views might just possibly be misrepresented here.

I am witnessing it in almost every post you make, so you are pointing out something that is true.