Brother, you just can't seem to get it. The killing of Messiah is not the end of the 69 weeks segment of time for that would make it a part of the 69 weeks segment of time! His death took place AFTER the 69 week segment of time, which is DURING the 70th!You mean you want me to explain it again???? I have already done this and you want to see it again???
We are not going to agree on this and you are not going to change my understanding and neither am I going to do that for you. I feel like I am doing a Bible study class all over again on this, but asked, actually it seems to me you are demanding it.
Dan.9:26 is a good starting place.
Certain important events were to happen after the 62 weeks (plus the 7 weeks, or a total of 69 weeks): the "cutting down" (destroying, killing, perish) of Messiah. The killing of the Messiah is the end of the 69th week point in time. Then the scripture says the prince "shall come" or "who is to come" and the destruction of Jerusalem will occur. The original words mean the destruction will be "subsequent" or "after". That means the destruction of Jerusalem does not have to be immediately after the "downing" of the Messiah.
So then in 70 A.D, Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans who are the people of the prince come. This destruction was done by Titus, the son of the emperor Vespasian. Therefore, there appears to be a gap between the "downing" of the Messiah and the destruction of the Temple. Because these events were to occur after the 69 weeks had run their course and before the 70th week began, there also must be a space of time between the conclusion of the 69th week and the beginning of the 70th.
The words "but not of himself" or "and have nothing" are understood by most scholars to mean not having any guilt or crime in Him. It also closely resembles “there was nothing to him;” that is, that he ceased to have authority and power, as in the "cutting off" of a prince or ruler whose power comes to an end. We know it did not stop His power. As a matter of fact, it has been growing since then. However, as far as the people of the time were concerned, before the resurrection, was that He was dead.
The words referring to a flood are probably descriptive words to mean the destruction of Jerusalem would be like the destruction a flood would bring. All who believe in the global flood of Noah know the terrible damage, destruction, reforming of the water and land masses, and other environmental changes that a serious flood can cause. The word used here means a “gushing, outpouring,” as of rain, Job 38:25; of a torrent, Prov. 27:4; an overflowing, flood, Ps. 32:6; Nahum 1:8. Therefore, it would appropriately denote the ravages of an army, sweeping everything away.
9:27
The 70th week is the subject of discussion here. It seems to me that it is the thing that has confused you. Daniel describes what happens after the 69th week and before the 70th week, implying a temporal gap between the 69th and 70th weeks. The last week has certain things occur that are related to the end times.
The "prince who is to come" is the beast from the sea (Dan 8:23-27), and the "little horn" (Dan7:8) is the antichrist. A covenant, a Peace Treaty for SEVEN years will be made with "many". There is nothing that clearly defines who "many" is. However, most scholars seem to think that the reference covenant could only reference covenant people. Therefore, most believe Israel is the "many". That makes sense because the destruction of the the Temple and Jerusalem would most affect them. This one week now becomes what has classically been called the Tribulation. It is to be seven years long. The antichrist, who makes the covenant with Israel, will break the covenant in the middle of the week (3-1/2 years into the seven years), cause sacrifice to cease, and destroy the city of Jerusalem and the Temple.
The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel and desecrate the Temple and demand worship of him. The length of time between the time of the end of the 69th week and the start of the 70th week is not revealed to Daniel or to any other of the O.T. prophets. Even Jesus said He did not know; only the Father knew the exact time. This intervening time span incorporates the age of the church, in which we now live and work. The event is of 69 weeks, including the cutting off of Messiah, have passed. The events of the 70th week remain for the future. They will be realized during the age of the Tribulation with the major horrors occurring during the Great Tribulation (generally considered the last 3-1/2 years of the 7 year Tribulation. This is just prior to the bringing in of "everlasting righteousness".
I personally do not know any other way to explain this to you. You are committed to your philosophy and I do not see any way to change that. I will say however that I am so very glad that this is not a salvation issue for humanity! It is a non-essential topic but I also know that it can be frustrating when others will not come to another's point of view.
The Abomination of Desolation is used uniquely in Daniel. The word abomination means to stink or be detestable. The word desolation means to be ravaged, desolated, or appalled. Putting them together is a God hated ravaging or something that stinks and is detestable. Some of the things that Antiochus Epiphanes did and the Antichrist will do are desecration of th Temple by idols, killing of swine on the altars, spreading the blood over the Temple and insides, and stopping the sacrifices in the Temple by the Jews.
Many more details of this can be studied in Revelation which will make these verses more understood. That is why understanding prophecy must include tying together prophecies in several books rather than stand alone readings. The secret to understanding to whom and to what these prophecies refer for example: to Antiochus or to the Antichrist, is the context and understanding of the history before and after the prophecies. Of course, we have 20-20 hindsight.
The key to me is that we know what happened in history. The people of those days did not have the knowledge from the prophecy to today as we do. However, we still don't know about the future. That we take from faith and using our intellect to try to understand what God is trying to tell us.
I really do think that you and I have gone about as far we can go with this discussion. I can tell by your words that you are becoming frustrated that you can not sway me from my perspective of these events. This may be a god time to end this and move on to some other topic.
Questions:
- Is the end of a song still a part of that song or part of the next song following after it?
- Is the end of a movie still a part of that movie or a part of the next movie following after it?
- Is the end of a war still a part of that war or a part of the next war following after it?