Abraham’s sacrifice/ isaacs trauma?

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God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.
I cannot imagine having to do such a thing.
But, Abraham was going to do this. It obviously shows Great Faith. That’s Awesome. Hopefully my faith grows to this kind of scope. But not now. Because I would worry what would happen to my granddaughter in the aftermath of me kidnapping her and tying her to a altar at knifepoint.
The questions arise such as;

if God did ask me to do something so out of the ordinary, as this, how would I cope if it traumatised her. Even divided my family. I’d be charged and maybe sent to prison... beat up and tortured. Lots of pain etc....
I’m not saying He will ask me to do such a task.
But what if, is going through my mind.
Has any of you stopped and wondered how far you would go if God asked you to do something so strong?
I do. And I admit it does scare me.

He’s already asked me to do something I didn’t want to do once.i complied because it was easy

I may be just paranoid.
But does God reenact His biblical acts with us?
Will we have to eventually do this kind of thing?
 
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I think the saga with Abraham was more like a kind of dare. Abraham obviously knew the outcome as he just told Isaac 'God will provide a lamb' and He did.

So I think Abraham and God must have talked about it beforehand so both know what was involved it was more like was Abraham willing to do it? That test of obedience takes more courage than the act itself.

I mean dying used to scare me when I thought about it but now after being saved, dying doesn't seem to have any fear factor at all for me. If God wanted me to go be with him then it would be the right time won't it? I think its human to be a bit fearful of what God asks us to sacrifice, ie. give up what we love. Jesus didn't want his minsitry to end and be away from his disicples and be crucified, but he saw how important it was to God that he take on this suffering. And we do know he prayed about it because his prayer is written in the Bible.
 
God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.
I cannot imagine having to do such a thing.
But, Abraham was going to do this. It obviously shows Great Faith. That’s Awesome. Hopefully my faith grows to this kind of scope. But not now. Because I would worry what would happen to my granddaughter in the aftermath of me kidnapping her and tying her to a altar at knifepoint.
The questions arise such as;

if God did ask me to do something so out of the ordinary, as this, how would I cope if it traumatised her. Even divided my family. I’d be charged and maybe sent to prison... beat up and tortured. Lots of pain etc....
I’m not saying He will ask me to do such a task.
But what if, is going through my mind.
Has any of you stopped and wondered how far you would go if God asked you to do something so strong?
I do. And I admit it does scare me.

He’s already asked me to do something I didn’t want to do once.i complied because it was easy

I may be just paranoid.
But does God reenact His biblical acts with us?
Will we have to eventually do this kind of thing?
Good points in this thread...
All Christians must be tested for there is no point in possession except for expression.
Of course the testing must be in the context of scripture...
I like that song 'when I lay my Isaac down'.
 
I think we should focus on Messiah, instead of hypothetical situations God might put us in.

They say the question "What if...?" is the definition of anxiety. Why are we worried?

Let's know what we are willing to do, and what we are not, and remember our beliefs, principles, values and faith.

If God chooses to put us through something, will He not also give us the strength to do it?
 
I think we should focus on Messiah, instead of hypothetical situations God might put us in.

They say the question "What if...?" is the definition of anxiety. Why are we worried?

Let's know what we are willing to do, and what we are not, and remember our beliefs, principles, values and faith.

If God chooses to put us through something, will He not also give us the strength to do it?
Hello Karl;

In our walk with Christ we will always be disciples for life. God welcomes questions and situations - hypothetical, theoretical, theological to doubts and misunderstanding of the Christ. In the Gospels Peter was a great example as a learning apostle.

This is where you and I are blessed with other seasoned Christians where we continue to learn from each other.

I feel this is one example of being focused on the Messiah and I agree with you, He will give us the strength, wisdom and growing while building us up in our daily walk.

God bless you, Karl, and your family.
 
The biggest hurdle for me would be: "Is that really you, Lord?"

I do have a vivid memory, after surrendering my life to Christ at the age of 33, he brought to mind a book I had stolen from a library when I was a child. The Holy Spirit tugged at me to return the book and make reparation. I resisted at first but caved in as he insisted. Since I no longer had the book, I gave several of my own to the librarian. The really difficult part was telling her why I was giving the books. I was sure she would think I was a nut cake. But after I walked out of the building I was overwhelmed with a feeling of joy!
 
The biggest hurdle for me would be: "Is that really you, Lord?"

I do have a vivid memory, after surrendering my life to Christ at the age of 33, he brought to mind a book I had stolen from a library when I was a child. The Holy Spirit tugged at me to return the book and make reparation. I resisted at first but caved in as he insisted. Since I no longer had the book, I gave several of my own to the librarian. The really difficult part was telling her why I was giving the books. I was sure she would think I was a nut cake. But after I walked out of the building I was overwhelmed with a feeling of joy!
You did the right thing, librarians always welcome returned books. (or cash donations to buy new ones). We don't think people are nut cases for wanting to steal books. It's entirely understandable. We just want books returned so others can read them too.
And if you don't have cash, a book in good condition is welcome.
 
The point of the story is that Abe had been too long in Egypt. Burning your firstborn was an Egyptian custom. The Hebrew burnt offering was to send the kid to serve in the temple for life.

Judges 11:31 King James Version (KJV)​

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

Judges 11:34-40 King James Version (KJV)​

34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.

35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back.

36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.

38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.
 
I didn't know that was the custom in Egypt...?
I thought it was the firstborn LAMB, not child. Eg what Abel did.
 
You did the right thing, librarians always welcome returned books. (or cash donations to buy new ones). We don't think people are nut cases for wanting to steal books. It's entirely understandable. We just want books returned so others can read them too.
And if you don't have cash, a book in good condition is welcome.
Thank you!
 
God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.
I cannot imagine having to do such a thing.
But, Abraham was going to do this. It obviously shows Great Faith. That’s Awesome. Hopefully my faith grows to this kind of scope. But not now. Because I would worry what would happen to my granddaughter in the aftermath of me kidnapping her and tying her to a altar at knifepoint.
The questions arise such as;

if God did ask me to do something so out of the ordinary, as this, how would I cope if it traumatised her. Even divided my family. I’d be charged and maybe sent to prison... beat up and tortured. Lots of pain etc....
I’m not saying He will ask me to do such a task.
But what if, is going through my mind.
Has any of you stopped and wondered how far you would go if God asked you to do something so strong?
I do. And I admit it does scare me.

He’s already asked me to do something I didn’t want to do once.i complied because it was easy

I may be just paranoid.
But does God reenact His biblical acts with us?
Will we have to eventually do this kind of thing?

Yes and No.

God will never ask you to do something which is against His moral law and character.

God tested Abraham. IMO, God tests everyone He calls to salvation in Christ. He in someway tests ALL of His children. Those tests confirm to Him that we are more than just Christians by word only. His tests strengthen our faith in Him. They make us serviceable to Him.

And remember.....after the test with Issac, God did not have to test Abraham ever again.

Now the other side of this question is the fact that after the church is removed along with the Holy Spirit in the near future, all those who then accept Christ will have to refuse the Mark of the Beast. The Mark will allow all people to buy and sell and survive and it also says that you are aligned with the A/C.

God's Word says that those people in that day who take the Mark are not saved and will not be able to be saved.

The refusal of the Mark means physical death but eternal spiritual life. So then it is actually a TEST.

Come to Christ and be saved and go to heaven and probably die for your faith.....or take the Mark and live on until Armageddon.
 
The biggest hurdle for me would be: "Is that really you, Lord?"

I do have a vivid memory, after surrendering my life to Christ at the age of 33, he brought to mind a book I had stolen from a library when I was a child. The Holy Spirit tugged at me to return the book and make reparation. I resisted at first but caved in as he insisted. Since I no longer had the book, I gave several of my own to the librarian. The really difficult part was telling her why I was giving the books. I was sure she would think I was a nut cake. But after I walked out of the building I was overwhelmed with a feeling of joy!

And that is exactly what the conviction of the Holy Spirit does in a persons heart.
 
I think we should focus on Messiah, instead of hypothetical situations God might put us in.

They say the question "What if...?" is the definition of anxiety. Why are we worried?

Let's know what we are willing to do, and what we are not, and remember our beliefs, principles, values and faith.

If God chooses to put us through something, will He not also give us the strength to do it?

I agree. But I can not help but wondering WHAT IF I had been born cute.
 
I really don’t understand what buying and selling has do do with any of this. If I’ve received a mark that says I can buy and sell and do business but not be saved then I don’t want the mark.

but I think I may have had the mark at one point...
Otherwise how could I have done business with Jesus?
After all... He took my sin coz I gave him my Faith

I dunno I think I’ve kinda lost the plot or something, I find revelations confusing
 
I really don’t understand what buying and selling has do do with any of this. If I’ve received a mark that says I can buy and sell and do business but not be saved then I don’t want the mark.

but I think I may have had the mark at one point...
Otherwise how could I have done business with Jesus?
After all... He took my sin coz I gave him my Faith

I dunno I think I’ve kinda lost the plot or something, I find revelations confusing

My dear. IF you can not buy food and water, how long do you think that you will live??????

You see, the Bible tells us about a coming event called the Rapture. It is when the born again believers are removed from the earth and taken to heaven. Please use your Bible and read about it in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54.

After that event takes place the AntiChrist will be revealed. Please read 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8.

Then there will be 7 SEVEN years left until Armageddon and during that 7 year peroid, ANYONE who takes the Mark of the Beast aligns himself with the A/C. That time frame is called in the Bible "The Tribulation Period".

After millions of blood-washed saints have been raptured from the earth to be with the Lord, there begins a seven-year period called the Tribulation.
Please use your Bible and read what it says about the various names for this period such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12), The Time of the End (Daniel 12:9), and The End of this World (Matthew 13:40, 49).

The Tribulation Period is divided into three eras, the first era being approximately three and a half years; the brief middle period being perhaps only a few weeks; and the last era, called the Great Tribulation, being approximately three and a half years.

A powerful ruler, led by Satan and referred to as the antichrist, will rise to power during the 1st era time frame. After leading the nations to form an alliance to help preserve the world system, he will break the treaty and be responsible for persecuting the nation of Israel and leading the last great battle against the forces of God in the battle of Armageddon.

That person who then accepts the Mark of the Beast will then be able to spend money, buy food and survive physically.
WITHOUT the Marl of the Beast, you will NOT be able to buy food therefore you will die from starvation. It is just that simple.

Revelation 13:16-18......
"And he, (False Prophet) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."


Those who refuse the Mark will be hunted down and killed physically. Their spirits will go to heaven but their bodies will be in the ground.

You DO NOT have the Mark of the Beast today because the Anti Christ has not come to power.

Yes, Jesus took your sin upon Himself but that was a SPITITUAL transaction which had nothing to do with going to the grocery store to buy food.

The Revelation is only confusing if and when you do not read and study it. When you know the keys of understanding it, It is actually very straight foreword and chronologically ordered.
 
God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.
I cannot imagine having to do such a thing.

But, Abraham was going to do this. It obviously shows Great Faith. That’s Awesome. Hopefully my faith grows to this kind of scope. But not now. Because I would worry what would happen to my granddaughter in the aftermath of me kidnapping her and tying her to a altar at knifepoint.
The questions arise such as;

if God did ask me to do something so out of the ordinary, as this, how would I cope if it traumatised her. Even divided my family. I’d be charged and maybe sent to prison... beat up and tortured. Lots of pain etc....
I’m not saying He will ask me to do such a task.
But what if, is going through my mind.
Has any of you stopped and wondered how far you would go if God asked you to do something so strong?
I do. And I admit it does scare me.

He’s already asked me to do something I didn’t want to do once.i complied because it was easy

I may be just paranoid.
But does God reenact His biblical acts with us?
Will we have to eventually do this kind of thing?
My dear. IF you can not buy food and water, how long do you think that you will live??????

You see, the Bible tells us about a coming event called the Rapture. It is when the born again believers are removed from the earth and taken to heaven. Please use your Bible and read about it in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54.

After that event takes place the AntiChrist will be revealed. Please read 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8.


Then there will be 7 SEVEN years left until Armageddon and during that 7 year peroid, ANYONE who takes the Mark of the Beast aligns himself with the A/C. That time frame is called in the Bible "The Tribulation Period".

After millions of blood-washed saints have been raptured from the earth to be with the Lord, there begins a seven-year period called the Tribulation.
Please use your Bible and read what it says about the various names for this period such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12), The Time of the End (Daniel 12:9), and The End of this World (Matthew 13:40, 49).

The Tribulation Period is divided into three eras, the first era being approximately three and a half years; the brief middle period being perhaps only a few weeks; and the last era, called the Great Tribulation, being approximately three and a half years.

A powerful ruler, led by Satan and referred to as the antichrist, will rise to power during the 1st era time frame. After leading the nations to form an alliance to help preserve the world system, he will break the treaty and be responsible for persecuting the nation of Israel and leading the last great battle against the forces of God in the battle of Armageddon.

That person who then accepts the Mark of the Beast will then be able to spend money, buy food and survive physically.
WITHOUT the Marl of the Beast, you will NOT be able to buy food therefore you will die from starvation. It is just that simple.

Revelation 13:16-18......
"And he, (False Prophet) causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."


Those who refuse the Mark will be hunted down and killed physically. Their spirits will go to heaven but their bodies will be in the ground.

You DO NOT have the Mark of the Beast today because the Anti Christ has not come to power.

Yes, Jesus took your sin upon Himself but that was a SPITITUAL transaction which had nothing to do with going to the grocery store to buy food.

The Revelation is only confusing if and when you do not read and study it. When you know the keys of understanding it, It is actually very straight foreword and chronologically ordered.
I really don’t understand what buying and selling has do do with any of this. If I’ve received a mark that says I can buy and sell and do business but not be saved then I don’t want the mark.

but I think I may have had the mark at one point...
Otherwise how could I have done business with Jesus?
After all... He took my sin coz I gave him my Faith

I dunno I think I’ve kinda lost the plot or something, I find revelations confusing

Dear brothers and sisters;

This may sound silly but when Via said she could not imagine doing such a thing, I was led by God to marry my wife back in 1984. To be honest, we both didn't want to get married. We were attracted to each other and enjoyed being single. We both knew that marriage is a sacrifice and would take hard work. Think about it. How many marriages have scars and damage branded on the original vows made at the altar?

We are much older now, have been married for 35 years and can see through all the arguments, disappointments with each other, setbacks, the times
we didn't thank God and wished we never got married, we came to know His Hand was in our marriage each day filled with His LOVE, forgiveness, reconciliation and restoration.

I don't know how the Rapture ties in this discussion but I do know the mark of the Beast and Satan has his hand in our sacrifices that we make for choosing God. The mark of the beast already exists, perhaps not in the visible mark but within the evil, lust for sin, loss of respect for human life, relationships in those who follow Christ, and is doing everything he can to destroy our lives, in everything!

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Jesus will come down from Heaven in a Mighty Thunder, to save us. Remember His SACRIFICE to God would be for our eternal joy. He will return to save us!

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 is not meant to scare us but save us and be changed for Christ's glory. Satan thinks he thwarted God's plan but our Father reveals the devil's defeat when Jesus rose from the dead, our Lord's ultimate SACRIFICE for all who follow Him.

2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 Satan will command his demons to display their "limited" power to deceive us. But Christ's Unlimited Power is to point us to the Father, Our Sacrifice for Jesus, to continue to follow Him and receive the eternal joy of His saving grace.

Getting back to Abraham, can we imagine the joy in his heart for his faithfulness to God, and saving love for his son Isaac?

Just as Abraham spoke directly with God, with tears and trembling in his sacrifices to Him. Just as we have spoken to God during those dark moments in our lives. God made Himself clear with His servant, just as He can with each one of us.

Sure, we can shudder when making sacrifices and God knows each one of us. Thats why He commands us to Trust Him, and see the outcome of what He will do.
 
Dear brothers and sisters;

This may sound silly but when Via said she could not imagine doing such a thing, I was led by God to marry my wife back in 1984. To be honest, we both didn't want to get married. We were attracted to each other and enjoyed being single. We both knew that marriage is a sacrifice and would take hard work. Think about it. How many marriages have scars and damage branded on the original vows made at the altar?

We are much older now, have been married for 35 years and can see through all the arguments, disappointments with each other, setbacks, the times
we didn't thank God and wished we never got married, we came to know His Hand was in our marriage each day filled with His LOVE, forgiveness, reconciliation and restoration.

I don't know how the Rapture ties in this discussion but I do know the mark of the Beast and Satan has his hand in our sacrifices that we make for choosing God. The mark of the beast already exists, perhaps not in the visible mark but within the evil, lust for sin, loss of respect for human life, relationships in those who follow Christ, and is doing everything he can to destroy our lives, in everything!

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54.1 and 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8 will help each one of us in our daily reading of the Bible.

Getting back to Abraham, can we imagine the joy in his heart for his faithfulness to God, and saving love for his son Isaac?

Just as Abraham spoke directly with God, with tears and trembling in his sacrifices to Him. Just as we have spoken to God during those dark moments in our lives. God made Himself clear with His servant, just as He can with each one of us.

Sure, we can shudder when making sacrifices and God knows each one of us. Thats why He commands us to Trust Him, and see the outcome of what He will do.

Well said my brother.

Sometimes we (Me) assume that Abraham, Issac, Jacob and the other Old Test. men were not as smart as we are today. You see, today we have TV and comuters and cars and airplanes so we must be smart.

IMO, Abraham knew a great deal more about Christ and the gospel than we give him credit for.

Jesus said in John 8:56..........
"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad."

So Abraham must have known a great deal more than we realize. God had to have told him a lot of stuff but one of those things was that the Saviour was not yet come.

There on Mt. Moriah Abraham offered Isaac was a picture (example) of the offering and yes, the resurrection of the coming Saviour. You see, after God called Abraham to offer Isaac, it was THREE days before he got to Mt. Moriah.

In Abrahams heart....he knew Isaac was dead and God knew Abraham's heart and that Abraham was going to kill his son. So then Isaac did DIE in thoght just not in deed.

Paul says that God preached the gospel to Abraham and certainly that is what we see happening in Genesis 22.

As for me personally.......at my advanced age, I am still overwhelmed at the things God teaches me. It makes me wish sometimes that I was younger and had more time to share the great things of God that He has allowed me to learn with others.
 
IMO, Abraham knew a great deal more about Christ and the gospel than we give him credit for.

Jesus said in John 8:56..........

"Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad."

So Abraham must have known a great deal more than we realize. God had to have told him a lot of stuff but one of those things was that the Saviour was not yet come.

As for me personally.......at my advanced age, I am still overwhelmed at the things God teaches me. It makes me wish sometimes that I was younger and had more time to share the great things of God that He has allowed me to learn with others.

Amen, brother;

Good point about Abraham knowing more about Christ and the things to and not yet come. I've studied this, yet had to be reminded again.

When we have these discussions I am also constantly amazed of learning from others as well.

God bless you, Major, and your family.
 
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