When is Satan cast out of heaven?

In Revelation we see a war in heaven between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels. Jesus said he saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Surely Satan was working against God in the garden of Eden when he enticed Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit and when he tried to tempt Jesus. God called his creation very good, this would include Lucifer and his followers. God then rested on the 7th day and sanctified that day of rest, unlikely He would sanctify a day where sin began. Satan also stands before the Lord, accusing the brethren. So has Satan been cast out and just allowed permission to enter heaven or is it in the future that he is cast out?
 
In Revelation we see a war in heaven between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels. Jesus said he saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Surely Satan was working against God in the garden of Eden when he enticed Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit and when he tried to tempt Jesus. God called his creation very good, this would include Lucifer and his followers. God then rested on the 7th day and sanctified that day of rest, unlikely He would sanctify a day where sin began. Satan also stands before the Lord, accusing the brethren. So has Satan been cast out and just allowed permission to enter heaven or is it in the future that he is cast out?
Good question Dave. It is my understand when I read the Bible that Satan was originally one of God’s holy angels. In fact he was the highest ranking angels. However, his pride cased him to sin and he rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven.

Luke 10:18.......
I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.”

It seems to me that by referencing Satan’s fall from heaven, Jesus most likely had in mind Isaiah 14:12........
“How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!”

I believe that The fall of Satan that Jesus saw happened after Lucifer’s sin, before Adam and Eve’s temptation in the Garden of Eden.

That was only the first stage of his judgment. Satan’s kingdom was vanquished at the cross a we see in John 12:31–32.
That was his 2nd stage of judgment.

Still Later, he will be bound in the abyss for one thousand years Revelation 20:1-3 and then lastly, he will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity in Rev. 20:10.

The Bible tells us that Until his final judgment, Satan is "the prince of this world" in John 14:30. Now, IF he is the Prince if this world, he can not be chained anywhere. It seems that he still has restricted access to the heavenly realms.
Satan does not have open access to God’s presence. He is summoned by God and The visits are temporary. His time before God’s throne is limited and In no way is the purity of heaven tainted by the brief, God-ordained presence of a sinful being.

James 4:7.........
"Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you."

2 Corinthians 11:14
"And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light."

1 Peter 5:8..........
"Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour."

Job 1:7........
"And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

So, I think it is clear for us to see that Satan has access to God and the earth and reports to God.

Now for the Revelation 12 question.

A common misconception is that Satan and his demons were locked away in hell after the fall of Satan. However, from the Scriptres posted above, I think that It is clear that Satan was not barred from heaven or the earth after his first rebellion, which predated the creation.

In Job 1:1—2:8, he appears before God to accuse Job of ulterior motives in his worship of God. In Zechariah 3, he again appears before God to accuse Joshua, the high priest. Indeed, the name Satan means “accuser.” In Genesis, he visited the Garden of Eden and tempted Eve. He tempted Jesus in the wilderness before Jesus began His ministry, an incident recorded in Matthew 4:1–11.

In Revelation 12:9 there will be a war in Heaven and the devil and his angels will be cast down to earth. Twice we are given a time frame of 3.5 years here where Israel is "in her place", in the promised land, and is kept safe from the wrath of Satan.
The last 3.5 years where the devil is thrown down to earth having great wrath is the Great Tribulation.

The war in heaven looks to take place at the point of the abomination of desolation, where the Antichrist takes power. In Daniel 12:1 Michael stands and at that time there shall be the “time of trouble” mentioned earlier. In Rev 12 we see that Michael and his angels fight the dragon (Satan), and the devil loses and is cast out of heaven; cast to the earth having great wrath. Both of these depictions are the same event covering a 3.5 year period while the devil is on the earth and the saints experience the great tribulation and time of trouble which is the END TIMES.
Source: https://www.prophecyandtruth.com/revelation.html

CONTEXT!
Revelation 12:6
"And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." or 3 1/2 years.

As this period of 3 1/2 years is half of the tribulation period - it obviously refers to the future, not the past. Yes, the first few verses in the chapter refer to the past -
1). Israel having a child (Jesus, the Messiah)
2) who was then caught up to Heaven (His ascension).
But as the chapter bears out, the war happens after this point in time, THEN immediately after he goes after the woman (Israel) and attempts to wipe her out.

Revelation 12:14 ....
"And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent."

Revelation 13:5 .........
"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months."

Revelation 11:2 ......
"But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

Revelation 11:3.........
" And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

These time periods MUST refer to either the first half or the second half of the tribulation period - therefore they are not past events, but still future.
 
I think that It is clear that Satan was not barred from heaven or the earth after his first rebellion, which predated the creation.
I understand there is no timeline given between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. 1:1 says God created the heavens and the earth and then 1:2 begins the rest of the creation story. How can God call creation very good if Satan(who is a created being) had rebelled against God prior to the completion of creation? Was Satan one of the host who sang at the completion of creation?
 
I understand there is no timeline given between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. 1:1 says God created the heavens and the earth and then 1:2 begins the rest of the creation story. How can God call creation very good if Satan(who is a created being) had rebelled against God prior to the completion of creation? Was Satan one of the host who sang at the completion of creation?
There is a teaching called the GAP theory. It says that there is a long period of time between the two Scriptures.

The Bible tells us in Job 38:7 that the angels were witnesses to God laying down the foundations of Earth. So, the angels have existed for a lot longer than have we human beings.

The Bible, however, is silent on exactly when Satan’s rebellion against God occurred. Clearly, Satan was in rebellion against God when he entered the Garden of Eden. However, his rebellion could have occurred much earlier, conceivably before God created the earth and even before God created the universe.

It is very possible that he was present. He was there in Job 1:6.
 
Satan is lord of this world and has already been cast out of Heaven.
This is why and he prowls the earth like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour.

The revelations Jesus gave John regarding how Lucifer fell is past history that lets us know how and who God's adversary is here as lord of the earth.

He was God's adversary when he led the war in Heaven and he remains that after being cast out of Heaven after losing that war.
 
Satan is lord of this world and has already been cast out of Heaven.
This is why and he prowls the earth like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour.

The revelations Jesus gave John regarding how Lucifer fell is past history that lets us know how and who God's adversary is here as lord of the earth.

He was God's adversary when he led the war in Heaven and he remains that after being cast out of Heaven after losing that war.
As I read Revelation and about the war between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels it seems to me that this is a future war, one that takes place during the time of the tribulation here on earth. It says the dragon is cast down to earth and a third of the angels with him and that he is angry because he knows he only has a short time. How can this be a past event? I guess really what I am trying to ask you is Do you think he was already cast out and yet still has access to heaven until this battle with Michael?
 
Satan is lord of this world and has already been cast out of Heaven.
This is why and he prowls the earth like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour.

The revelations Jesus gave John regarding how Lucifer fell is past history that lets us know how and who God's adversary is here as lord of the earth.

He was God's adversary when he led the war in Heaven and he remains that after being cast out of Heaven after losing that war.
I do not believe that is correct.

Is Satan the power of this world and is afflicting and tempting people..............YES!
Is Satan prowling the earth like a lion devouring souls..............................................YES!

Is the revelations Jesus gave John past history...............................................................That idea is called PRETERISM and it is the scourge of Christianity.

The demons were removed from their habitat in heaven when they rebelled, however Satan still has access to God when God calls upon him.
That will come to and end in Revelation 12:9 when Michael removes him permanently in the WAR YET TO TAKE place in heaven.

In Job 1:6, Satan stands in the presence of God.
There is a similar situation in 2 Chronicles 18:18–21 involving a "lying spirit."

Consider the LITERAL words written in Job 1..........
1.) Satan stood before God to give an account of himself.
2.) God initiated the meeting,
3.) God led the proceedings,
4.) God remained in absolute control (verse 7).
The result was that Satan’s power was limited (verse 12) and God was glorified. Now where was Satan at this meeting???? IN HEAVEN WHERE GOD LIVES!

It is clear from the Scriptures, (not my opinion but Gods Word) Satan has some access to God's presence, as God permits it, until Christ returns to earth at the end of the tribulation. Some of us actually study the Revelation and we see that At that time in Rev. 20:2-3 prophecies, ...
"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while."

After that time, Satan will experience a release and engage God in one final battle before being condemned eternally to the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10).
 
Satan is lord of this world and has already been cast out of Heaven.
This is why and he prowls the earth like a hungry lion seeking souls to devour.

The revelations Jesus gave John regarding how Lucifer fell is past history that lets us know how and who God's adversary is here as lord of the earth.

He was God's adversary when he led the war in Heaven and he remains that after being cast out of Heaven after losing that war.
Not sustained by scripture in its proper context.

Satan is the adversary now.
If he is everything Lucifer was described as prior to the war and his fall,it would mean God sends him here to devour souls and do evil as God's appointed and empowered agent against man.

It makes no sense then given that, that Lucifer would later rebel against God.
Satan meaning accuser, adversary.
 
As I read Revelation and about the war between Michael and his angels and Satan and his angels it seems to me that this is a future war, one that takes place during the time of the tribulation here on earth. It says the dragon is cast down to earth and a third of the angels with him and that he is angry because he knows he only has a short time. How can this be a past event? I guess really what I am trying to ask you is Do you think he was already cast out and yet still has access to heaven until this battle with Michael?
Luke 10:18: “And he [the Lord Jesus] said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.”
 
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Nothing of the context of this verse gives us an idea of when in time. Only that Jesus states it as past tense as "I beheld".

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

This gives us some of Satan's history and future in the context of this chapter in Isaiah. Still, again, no definite time of being cast out, only that Isaiah would know of the happening.

In Revelation 12 we find the most information about Satan being cast out.

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
>>The woman we find is Israel, because of the crown of twelve stars, (we can surmise these are the twelve tribes of Israel), and verse 5 explains her child as Jesus Christ.
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
>>She, (Israel), is going through the birth process of Jesus Christ coming into the world. Most I think would agree that this is referring to the history of Israel and what she had to go through to bring the Savior to the world. This does not make all of Revelation past events, it just gives us perspective for the future events and lets us know that history could be used to give us perspective in this chapter.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
>>The dragon we find out later in the chapter is Satan.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
>>We have a description of Satan drew, (past tense but still undetermined), 1/3 of stars, which we understand as angels, out of heaven and cast them to the earth. And Satan (the dragon) stood before the woman (Israel) which was ready to be delivered (Christ's coming as a baby), for to devour her child, (destroy Jesus), as soon as it was born. Satan, we would consider, was directing Herod to slay all the boy children of Bethlehem as one example of this. By this verse in its context we see that the angels in a major event in heaven were cast out because of Satan before Christ's coming. How long before? We are talking about a nation delivering a child who would become the Savior and so we could understand this to be years of even decades before.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
>>Here is the description of Christ. This verse puts Him on His throne in heaven.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
>>Here Israel fled to the wilderness for 1,260 days. This correlates with the future time in the Tribulation.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
>>Verses 7-9 seem to be a more detailed description of verses 3 and 4, where 3 and 4 are a picture of what happened and 7-9 are the details, the explanation of verses 3 and 4. It does not make sense for Satan's angels to be cast out in verse 4 and then again in verse 9. Verse 9 really gives us the context and the meaning of verses 3 and 4.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
>>I think we all understand that "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:" refers to Christ's birth and ministry and death on the cross; His entire life. So this verse clearly is talking about Christ's coming, so the accuser being cast down already is, again, in context, clearly before Christ's birth. This is only following the scriptures with no preconceived notions.
 
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Nothing of the context of this verse gives us an idea of when in time. Only that Jesus states it as past tense as "I beheld".

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

This gives us some of Satan's history and future in the context of this chapter in Isaiah. Still, again, no definite time of being cast out, only that Isaiah would know of the happening.

In Revelation 12 we find the most information about Satan being cast out.

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
>>The woman we find is Israel, because of the crown of twelve stars, (we can surmise these are the twelve tribes of Israel), and verse 5 explains her child as Jesus Christ.
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
>>She, (Israel), is going through the birth process of Jesus Christ coming into the world. Most I think would agree that this is referring to the history of Israel and what she had to go through to bring the Savior to the world. This does not make all of Revelation past events, it just gives us perspective for the future events and lets us know that history could be used to give us perspective in this chapter.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
>>The dragon we find out later in the chapter is Satan.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
>>We have a description of Satan drew, (past tense but still undetermined), 1/3 of stars, which we understand as angels, out of heaven and cast them to the earth. And Satan (the dragon) stood before the woman (Israel) which was ready to be delivered (Christ's coming as a baby), for to devour her child, (destroy Jesus), as soon as it was born. Satan, we would consider, was directing Herod to slay all the boy children of Bethlehem as one example of this. By this verse in its context we see that the angels in a major event in heaven were cast out because of Satan before Christ's coming. How long before? We are talking about a nation delivering a child who would become the Savior and so we could understand this to be years of even decades before.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
>>Here is the description of Christ. This verse puts Him on His throne in heaven.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
>>Here Israel fled to the wilderness for 1,260 days. This correlates with the future time in the Tribulation.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
>>Verses 7-9 seem to be a more detailed description of verses 3 and 4, where 3 and 4 are a picture of what happened and 7-9 are the details, the explanation of verses 3 and 4. It does not make sense for Satan's angels to be cast out in verse 4 and then again in verse 9. Verse 9 really gives us the context and the meaning of verses 3 and 4.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
>>I think we all understand that "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:" refers to Christ's birth and ministry and death on the cross; His entire life. So this verse clearly is talking about Christ's coming, so the accuser being cast down already is, again, in context, clearly before Christ's birth. This is only following the scriptures with no preconceived notions.
This makes more sense of why Satan would be tempting Christ in the wilderness since he was cast out and only had the realm of earthly nations to give to Jesus.
 
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Nothing of the context of this verse gives us an idea of when in time. Only that Jesus states it as past tense as "I beheld".

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

This gives us some of Satan's history and future in the context of this chapter in Isaiah. Still, again, no definite time of being cast out, only that Isaiah would know of the happening.

In Revelation 12 we find the most information about Satan being cast out.

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
>>The woman we find is Israel, because of the crown of twelve stars, (we can surmise these are the twelve tribes of Israel), and verse 5 explains her child as Jesus Christ.
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
>>She, (Israel), is going through the birth process of Jesus Christ coming into the world. Most I think would agree that this is referring to the history of Israel and what she had to go through to bring the Savior to the world. This does not make all of Revelation past events, it just gives us perspective for the future events and lets us know that history could be used to give us perspective in this chapter.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
>>The dragon we find out later in the chapter is Satan.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
>>We have a description of Satan drew, (past tense but still undetermined), 1/3 of stars, which we understand as angels, out of heaven and cast them to the earth. And Satan (the dragon) stood before the woman (Israel) which was ready to be delivered (Christ's coming as a baby), for to devour her child, (destroy Jesus), as soon as it was born. Satan, we would consider, was directing Herod to slay all the boy children of Bethlehem as one example of this. By this verse in its context we see that the angels in a major event in heaven were cast out because of Satan before Christ's coming. How long before? We are talking about a nation delivering a child who would become the Savior and so we could understand this to be years of even decades before.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
>>Here is the description of Christ. This verse puts Him on His throne in heaven.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
>>Here Israel fled to the wilderness for 1,260 days. This correlates with the future time in the Tribulation.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
>>Verses 7-9 seem to be a more detailed description of verses 3 and 4, where 3 and 4 are a picture of what happened and 7-9 are the details, the explanation of verses 3 and 4. It does not make sense for Satan's angels to be cast out in verse 4 and then again in verse 9. Verse 9 really gives us the context and the meaning of verses 3 and 4.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
>>I think we all understand that "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:" refers to Christ's birth and ministry and death on the cross; His entire life. So this verse clearly is talking about Christ's coming, so the accuser being cast down already is, again, in context, clearly before Christ's birth. This is only following the scriptures with no preconceived notions.
Past tense from God himself isn't satisfactory?

OK.
 
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
>>Here Israel fled to the wilderness for 1,260 days. This correlates with the future time in the Tribulation.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
And it is here that I find my question. If Satan was already cast out, how could there be a battle in heaven with Michael?
 
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Nothing of the context of this verse gives us an idea of when in time. Only that Jesus states it as past tense as "I beheld".

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

This gives us some of Satan's history and future in the context of this chapter in Isaiah. Still, again, no definite time of being cast out, only that Isaiah would know of the happening.

In Revelation 12 we find the most information about Satan being cast out.

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
>>The woman we find is Israel, because of the crown of twelve stars, (we can surmise these are the twelve tribes of Israel), and verse 5 explains her child as Jesus Christ.
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
>>She, (Israel), is going through the birth process of Jesus Christ coming into the world. Most I think would agree that this is referring to the history of Israel and what she had to go through to bring the Savior to the world. This does not make all of Revelation past events, it just gives us perspective for the future events and lets us know that history could be used to give us perspective in this chapter.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
>>The dragon we find out later in the chapter is Satan.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
>>We have a description of Satan drew, (past tense but still undetermined), 1/3 of stars, which we understand as angels, out of heaven and cast them to the earth. And Satan (the dragon) stood before the woman (Israel) which was ready to be delivered (Christ's coming as a baby), for to devour her child, (destroy Jesus), as soon as it was born. Satan, we would consider, was directing Herod to slay all the boy children of Bethlehem as one example of this. By this verse in its context we see that the angels in a major event in heaven were cast out because of Satan before Christ's coming. How long before? We are talking about a nation delivering a child who would become the Savior and so we could understand this to be years of even decades before.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
>>Here is the description of Christ. This verse puts Him on His throne in heaven.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
>>Here Israel fled to the wilderness for 1,260 days. This correlates with the future time in the Tribulation.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
>>Verses 7-9 seem to be a more detailed description of verses 3 and 4, where 3 and 4 are a picture of what happened and 7-9 are the details, the explanation of verses 3 and 4. It does not make sense for Satan's angels to be cast out in verse 4 and then again in verse 9. Verse 9 really gives us the context and the meaning of verses 3 and 4.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
>>I think we all understand that "Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:" refers to Christ's birth and ministry and death on the cross; His entire life. So this verse clearly is talking about Christ's coming, so the accuser being cast down already is, again, in context, clearly before Christ's birth. This is only following the scriptures with no preconceived notions.
You do as you wish Moose. I would only caution you about Luke 10:18 and using 1 Scripture to base a doctrine one. If you will do a little work on that Scripture, you might just find out that there is another explination different than the one you are applying.
 
And it is here that I find my question. If Satan was already cast out, how could there be a battle in heaven with Michael?

It looks like you have Moose boxed in!

If Satan was cast out thousands of years ago, how can he then lose a war with Michael and be cast out in a future event??????
 
And it is here that I find my question. If Satan was already cast out, how could there be a battle in heaven with Michael?
Maybe we might consider this. If Satan hasn't already been cast out of Heaven, then his name change from Lucifer is in error.
How do angels sin in Heaven? Waging war with God.

If Satan isn't yet cast out, that means he is allowed by God to live here as lord of this world. And accuse and tempt us, all with God's permission and empowerment. Because Satan can do nothing without God allowing it.

If he and the angels that Revelation says joined him in the war in Heaven haven't yet gone to war against God, the future prophecy that we know for having read it means God sees this coming. And so too does Satan. Which means the element of surprise is gone if one wants to initiate a war against God.

Maybe the prophecy of Satan being locked up for 1000 years has already occurred. Because the Bible says after that Satan is released for a short time. Maybe that short time, by God's reckoning of time, a day is like a thousand years, a thousand years is like a day, is now and why Satan is on earth as our adversary.
 
And it is here that I find my question. If Satan was already cast out, how could there be a battle in heaven with Michael?
Exactly. Therefore the battle in heaven had to have happened leading up to Christ's birth. That would make sense that Satan would see the lead up to Jesus' birth and makes one last ditch effort to stop this from happening in that battle in heaven to upset God's plan.
 
You do as you wish Moose. I would only caution you about Luke 10:18 and using 1 Scripture to base a doctrine one. If you will do a little work on that Scripture, you might just find out that there is another explination different than the one you are applying.
By my count, I used 12 verses.
 
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