There is an obvious question that I am not allowed to ask because of forum rules. I think you understand me. That's really all that matters
An American Pope
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We can see a young generation coming on who have been schooled in `Wokism.` So, I see that an American Pope with leanings that way will be `user friendly ` to them.
I think a lot of the older RCC try to live a `good `life and believe in God and think they are `saved.` There are a lot around our farming community and make for `good` citizens and neighbors.
I would like to apologize for having such SEVERE view points with regards to this thread.... well... not for having them.... but for publicly stating them.
Because BAD DOCTRINE has profoundly "hurt and oppressed" me... I have very HARSH views towards TEACHINGS that are NOT BIBLICAL.
That does NOT mean I am right... It simply means I am REACTIVE when it comes to the topic of PROPER and BIBLICAL TEACHINGS.
Because BAD DOCTRINE has profoundly "hurt and oppressed" me... I have very HARSH views towards TEACHINGS that are NOT BIBLICAL.
That does NOT mean I am right... It simply means I am REACTIVE when it comes to the topic of PROPER and BIBLICAL TEACHINGS.
You can certainly apologize if that is a concern for you personally, however please understand that what you have said is the truth and does not require an apology.
We as believers are told to challenge all false non-biblical teachings. Take time to read Revelation chapter 2.
There you will see clearly that Jesus will not only judge those who spread falsehood, but also calls those who tolerate it without action to repent. We are to hold on to the true gospel in the face of such temptations and threats, hating the doctrines and practices that might lead us away from devotion to the Lord.
Happy mothers day if it applies!
Assumption is a path that should not be taken and I have no idea what that question is.
Now as for me......having known and still know several friends who are Catholic, I have asked them the question of......Are you saved?
Many years ago I was asked to speak at a friends funeral by his wife. He was catholic and the service was at a Catholic church. I speant 15 minutes on John 3 and "Are YOU born again"? As God is my witness, a Catholic deacon after the service said to me........
"I have never heard what you said in my church"!
Now to the point, I believe that the forum rules allows us to post what is said by others so here is a Catholic priest words.........
"The Catholic take is that, through grace, we exercise faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus, just as our separated brethren affirm. But for us, the acceptance of faith and the performance of works are virtually simultaneous. Being “born again” for Catholics takes place in a work — reception of the sacrament of baptism. This is the introduction to the life of grace, which is sustained through other works such as the reception of the other sacraments, especially the Eucharist."
Source: https://www.cal-catholic.com/why-catholics-dont-go-around-saying-we-are-saved/
Ephesians 2:8-9 God says........
""For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."
You understood me perfectly.
You need not apologize. You are welcome to express your feelings.
it should have none as for the most the catholic doctrine of salvation does not line up with scriptures . it sounds good looks good allows one to feel Good.. but i see no room for conviction of the H.S ITS MORE POMP AND CIRCUMTANCES
The pope may be American by birth and upbringing, but his theology would certainly have a Latin American slant because of his long experience with and affinity for Latin America. I am curious as to whether a revival of Liberation Theology might find its way into mainstream Catholicism.
Since I do not view Rome as being really Christianity, then will now make much change upon them, but make make them become more liberal in regards to views on alternate lifestyles, morality etc
I know that Lutherans, Anglican and some Methodist and Methodist leaning non-denominational churches believe in Consubstantiation (real presence) of the Eucharist.
If the Eucharist (Communion) is just a symbolic act, how can it also have spiritual implications?
I think the reformers took on some agnostic influences with the condemnation of physical elements, like the real Eucharistic presence, and the rejection of Biblical imagery.
JOHN 6: 53 -66
1 CORINTHIANS 11:27-32
i was raised in the methodist Church .its actually the united methodist and the leadership/conference is liberal .. the old time methodist had it together . but since the u.m.c has split many are global methodist.. growing up i never heard it taught the Eucharist (Communion) becomes the physical body of Christ.. jesus said as oft as you do this do this in remembrance of me .it is symbolic just like water baptism but it is symbolic in meaning . man over the years has added to it
Good morning cocoa ... I mentioned this before... but I speak as a former Catholic and not just someone trying to denounce the Catholic Church.
I had a supernatural experience 4 years ago. The presence of God was before me in a way that I could NOT mistake.
AFTER all these years... I am still deeply affected by this ( less than 30 second experience ). I still have residual benefits
overflowing from this experience. ALL that POWER washed over me like a waterfall... and is still evident to this day.
I have shared the above to make a point.
It seems to me that one would only have to receive the BODY of CHRIST ONCE.
The fact that communion with this belief is REPEATED as much as DAILY.... seems to be the tell tale sign of it only being a TRADITION of REPETITION with NO actual power.
I do not mean ANY disrespect to your beliefs.... and I say this sincerely.
I think what is at play here is the difference between the notion that TRADITION has some weight in living a Christian life... vs... those who believe that the BIBLE ALONE has EVERYTHING we need.
I have discovered that believing in the BIBLE ALONE... I have been able to GROW and BLOOM in a way that I could NOT as a Catholic.
Is this in regards to salvation?
How do you interpret, "give us this day our daily bread"?
I'm new to OCIA and I did a lot of reading and studying beforehand of Christian history, lots of books and commentary on protestant, orthodox and catholic. And after so much reading and studying of history, I can't go back to being protestant.
I respect your personal journey. And in all honesty, I want to learn and understand as much as possible about different theologies.
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The Eucharist for the Catholic is much more that a symbolic act.
The Catholic position on the Eucharist was accepted a long time ago. It can be looked up but I think it was around 1000 A.D. when the Church formally set forth the teaching of transubstantiation as the official teaching of the Church.
It was from that point that the Catholic church dogmatically asserted the nature of the Lord’s Supper as being that of a propitiatory sacrifice for sin.
I am sure that there are Catholic believers reading our words and it would be prudent to ask them, however, I would say that the Catholic teaching of transubstantiation, which guarantees the real presence of Christ and the mass, in which Christ, thus present bodily, is re-offered to God as a propitiatory sacrifice. And the eucharist as taught and practiced by Rome is, according to Rome, necessary for salvation.
No.... I was referring to the daily ( in some cases ) partaking of communion by Catholics. (( with reference to BELIEVING it is the real body of Christ ))
I do not regard communion as related to SALVATION.
I do however believe that it is considered an act of obedience as per referenced with the below scripture.
Luke 22:19-20
And he took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is my body, which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.My point was... If the elements of the Communion wafer was truly the body of CHRIST.... the POWER and EFFECT of this act would only have to occur ONE time.
WHY on earth would someone NEED to continue to CONSUME the Body of CHRIST as though it has NO POWER?
I see communion as a REMEMBRANCE of the event of the last supper... no more.. .no less.
I interpret this as ... FATHER.... SUPPLY us with our basic needs of food. It is to me a request for provision.
I am not certain what OCIA is...
I would consider myself to simply be a CHRISTIAN. I focus on WHO GOD IS.
DISCLAIMER.... I am sharing my personal opinion on this matter... I do not claim to be RIGHT... I claim to DISAGREE with the traditions of the Catholic Church.
Its the catecumin class at the Catholic church, it used to be something called something else.
I understand.