“On the weaponized Christan Defense of the State of Israel”
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Is All Life Important to Almighty God, Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit?
Dear Brother, I would say that this subject is very deep ...
God's "Chosen People" may not be referring to a land, Israel, nor a modern day government. Jesus told his apostles to go our to the Gentiles and spread the Gospel, so are not all those who follow Christ, His Chosen People?
Let's face it, our "leaders" are pretty anti-Christ in most of what they are doing today, and so often hide behind His Name, so that we, the People are again hoodwinked. Nothing has changed since the Beginning ... nothing is what it seems!
Here are some of the verses that coms to mind, when Jesus warned of End Times:
“Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says.” – James 1:22
This verse teaches us that simply hearing God’s Word is not enough; we must put it into practice. Deception can occur when we fail to apply what we learn, leading us into complacency and false security.
"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." (Matthew 7:15)
False prophets are people who pretend to speak for God, to get attention and power. They often make big promises that sound good but are just lies. But what is the difference between a prophet and a false prophet, and how can we tell the difference?
There are many more examples of Deception at End Times: https://explainingthebible.com/bible-verses-about-deception-in-the-end-times/
I would have to agree that the Old Testament seems to refer to a land Israel, yet we know too that Jacob was named Israel!?
However, did not the New Testament and the coming of the Messaih, the Son of Man overwrite this belief in "Israel being the Chosen Race" ... perhaps another topic to be explored ...
Warm regards Linda
Hi Bro,
Perhaps we can explore this together as Brothers and Sisters in Christ:
"for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise. (Galatians 3:26–29 ESV)"
"And so how do the Apostles of Christ answer this posted question? They left this record:
For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus...for there is neither Jew or Greek, there is neither bond or free, there is neither male or female, for all are One in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the Promise. (Galatians 3:38)
The original intent of the Abrahamic Covenant was not the privilege of one race, but was a spiritual covenant in which all nations could participate...because of faith in Christ.! (Compare Hebrews 11:8-16 "a spiritual city sought")
You also, as living stones, are built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ....Unto you therefore who believe he is precious; but unto them who be disobedient, the Stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner...But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, that you should show forth the praises of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. Which in time past were not a people, but now are the people of God! (1 Peter 2:5-10)"
Does Anyone Actually Believe in Replacement Theology?
I had never heard of replacement theology the first time I was accused of believing in it.
We all owe a certain debt of gratitude to the Jews. If Christ had not died on that cross we would ALL die in our sins and go to hell. No salvation would be available.
The natuon of Israel as a country, is a secular state and I think Christians (evangelicals) are being duped into thinking they are supporting God's people by supporting Israel's political interests.
The reality is, that anyone who denies Christ are not the Christian God's people.
We can agree that our God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit ... you can't remove Christ and still claim "same God theology".
Luke 10:16
New King James Version
16 He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.” (These are Christ's own words!).
Galatians 4: 21-31
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are [g]the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:
“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
The reality is, that anyone who denies Christ are not the Christian God's people.
We can agree that our God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit ... you can't remove Christ and still claim "same God theology".
Luke 10:16
New King James Version
16 He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.” (These are Christ's own words!).
Galatians 4: 21-31
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are [g]the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written:
“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. 29 But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
Does Israel have a right to protects itself? Absolutely.
Are there Jews who believe in Jesus as the only begotton Son? Of course!
Can America and Israel form a political alliance? Yes.
But, Christians are not obligated to support Israel anymore than we are to support any other people group. Israel needs our prayers just as Palestistine, Russia, Ukraine, Nigeria, China, etc. Any and every person lacking the truth of Jesus needs our support thru prayer and action.
Are there Jews who believe in Jesus as the only begotton Son? Of course!
Can America and Israel form a political alliance? Yes.
But, Christians are not obligated to support Israel anymore than we are to support any other people group. Israel needs our prayers just as Palestistine, Russia, Ukraine, Nigeria, China, etc. Any and every person lacking the truth of Jesus needs our support thru prayer and action.
Of course! The question is why is Israel solely unjustified in self defense? Hamas, Hezbolla, Iran and the entirety of the Muslim world want Israel destroyed and Jews euthanized and we collectively blame the Jews when they defend themselves? Israel warns Gaza before they attack. They hamper their own fighting to reduce civilian death. Hamas still holds hostages and we blame Israel for not stopping the combat. Israel is the only country held to such scrutiny. Israel is also the only Jewish country. This is no coincidence.
The video mentions Israel taking land as part of war but fails to mention it's exclusively the surrounding Arabs who started the wars. The media continues this lie by ommission today by downplaying the role of Hamas in Gaza's plight. If Hamas fighters had not invaded Israel then Israel would not have destroyed Gaza. If Hamas had not built bunkers and command posts underneath hospitals then Israel would not have bombed hospitals. If Hamas had not placed artillery on the roofs of schools then Israel would not have bombed schools. Indeed, if Israel's neighbors had been peaceful since 1947 then there would have been no wars at all since Israel is reacting to attacks, not initiating them.
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Consider the source of the video: MUSLIM CENTRAL (I'm sure it's unbiased
).
Also Egypt has refused to allow Gaza refugees to flee into Egypt. The border between Egypt and Gaza is effectively closed for all southward traffic. No one seems to mention this odd fact. The pessimist in me almost believes they (Muslims) want Gaza to suffer for the spectacle it creates in the international media and western cities. No, they wouldn't sacrifice two million people just to influence western politics, would they?
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Amen in agreement. Really very grateful for the Jewish forefathers.
Thought I would share this with everyone because it really does hit on some 'home truths' imho:
Three Minutes into the video discusses "the difference between Judaism and Zionism ..."
Completely agree, Jesus was a Jew, his apostles were Jews, and many of the Pharisees were Jews ... however, the question today is "are the Jews the Chosen People" or is the land of "Israel the Chosen Land" ... ? Perhaps another topic (bible study) would be for us to discuss "Zionism" ... ?
Three Minutes into the video discusses "the difference between Judaism and Zionism ..."
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Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ,
I know that we do not all agree on everything, and that is why we are here, to learn from each other, and hopefully put "pride" aside, in case there actually Is something to learn.
So I feel compelled to share this video, and I truly hope that people will take the time and trouble to listen to this message which many Christians seem to have missed or have been misguided about. IMHO this is Biblical Truth:
I know that we do not all agree on everything, and that is why we are here, to learn from each other, and hopefully put "pride" aside, in case there actually Is something to learn.
So I feel compelled to share this video, and I truly hope that people will take the time and trouble to listen to this message which many Christians seem to have missed or have been misguided about. IMHO this is Biblical Truth:
The Dangerous Lie Christians Still Believe About Israel
Hello BibleLover, Dave F. and Yesua888;
I appreciate your seasoned, study insights to your posts. This gives more fruit to your thoughts and opinions.
Replacement Theology?!? Stop and think about this word for a moment. For those who reject the Truth revealed to them rebel at the simple passage in John 12:48, 48 He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day. - RSV
As Yesua888 posted regarding the propaganda out there, are we talking the media, online social subjected videos, talking emotionally without thinking or receiving, etc?...What I find dangerous is allowing these worldly influences to change my convictions, rashly.
As my wife and I study carefully, and read out loud the Bible daily, God's Chosen people ruthlessly annihilated the neighboring countries who worshiped pagan gods, then His people rebelled against the True God. He revealed His wrath and forgiveness, over and over. Today's times are no different. Regardless, we choose God, what the Bible reveals regarding Israel then and today.
Who am I? My sins are so deep and I'm so grateful for His mercies, forgiveness, grace and resilience in my life. I'm redeemed.
We are long time members of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews and have partnered with Jews for Jesus. We don't spend time "spouting words" but focus on prayer for people from all sides who are victims of explosions, gun shots and being held hostage.
Opinions are always secondary to God's and I choose to believe Israel is still God's chosen people. Yes, there are always two sides, therefore, say what one will say. I'll receive it and in my prayers what God reveals to me to distinguish both sides.
I'm grateful that our United States of America and allied nations (with it's own share of condemning internal and outward critics) supports and prays for Israel.
Unless God reveals different to me in His Word, I won't be entertained by any worldly thing to sway my discernment.
God bless you all.
Bob
Hi Bob, Thanks for your response ... would you kindly enlighten me on the following comment: "God's Chosen people ruthlessly annihilated the neighboring countries who worshiped pagan gods, then His people rebelled against the True God. He revealed His wrath and forgiveness, over and over. Today's times are no different. Regardless, we choose God, what the Bible reveals regarding Israel then and today."Hello BibleLover, Dave F. and Yesua888;
I appreciate your seasoned, study insights to your posts. This gives more fruit to your thoughts and opinions.
Replacement Theology?!? Stop and think about this word for a moment. For those who reject the Truth revealed to them rebel at the simple passage in John 12:48, 48 He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day. - RSV
As Yesua888 posted regarding the propaganda out there, are we talking the media, online social subjected videos, talking emotionally without thinking or receiving, etc?...What I find dangerous is allowing these worldly influences to change my convictions, rashly.
As my wife and I study carefully, and read out loud the Bible daily, God's Chosen people ruthlessly annihilated the neighboring countries who worshiped pagan gods, then His people rebelled against the True God. He revealed His wrath and forgiveness, over and over. Today's times are no different. Regardless, we choose God, what the Bible reveals regarding Israel then and today.
Who am I? My sins are so deep and I'm so grateful for His mercies, forgiveness, grace and resilience in my life. I'm redeemed.
We are long time members of the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews and have partnered with Jews for Jesus. We don't spend time "spouting words" but focus on prayer for people from all sides who are victims of explosions, gun shots and being held hostage.
Opinions are always secondary to God's and I choose to believe Israel is still God's chosen people. Yes, there are always two sides, therefore, say what one will say. I'll receive it and in my prayers what God reveals to me to distinguish both sides.
I'm grateful that our United States of America and allied nations (with it's own share of condemning internal and outward critics) supports and prays for Israel.
Unless God reveals different to me in His Word, I won't be entertained by any worldly thing to sway my discernment.
God bless you all.
Bob
Prehaps you can back this up with some scripture or links. Thanks Linda
What does the Bible reveal about Israel today?