Amazing How many Cults arose just in 19 Century

bobinfaith said:
Good morning,

I have a question. Is anyone aware of the Church of God Pentecostal out of Cleveland, Tennessee and the Church of God Wesleyan Arminianism out of Anderson, Indiana?

I received my grounding from the latter Church of God, South San Francisco in the 1990s. We attended many men's retreats, family camps, Church camp, Billy Graham, etc...

Bob
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Now it has been many years since I did any work on these two but if I recall, The COG of Cleveland Tenn. is a "Full Gospel" Pentecostal church. It has a majority of black worshippers. They accept the 2nd blessing of the Holy Spirit as necessary to salvation and teach speaking in tongues, miracles and the all of the Sign Gifts.

The COG in Anderson Ind. is NOT Pentecostal. It is evangelical and holiness in theology and practice. It is Arminian in flavor and Holiness but not Pentecostal in emphasis. I would also say It is considered "Liberal" compared with many conservative evangelical denominations especially with regard to women’s leadership.
 
YeshuaFan said:
Telling note is that the bible NEVER commands us to seek that Baptism of the Holy Ghost, nor the "second blessing", but are commanded to seek the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Even if there was the gift of tongues for todasy, per the Bible, its as the Holy Spirit would administer it being given, and that tongue would have to be in a known human language not learned by the speaker, and would not be the gibberish heard so many times in churches today
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Correct!
 
Major said:
Now it has been many years since I did any work on these two but if I recall, The COG of Cleveland Tenn. is a "Full Gospel" Pentecostal church. It has a majority of black worshippers. They accept the 2nd blessing of the Holy Spirit as necessary to salvation and teach speaking in tongues, miracles and the all of the Sign Gifts.

The COG in Anderson Ind. is NOT Pentecostal. It is evangelical and holiness in theology and practice. It is Arminian in flavor and Holiness but not Pentecostal in emphasis. I would also say It is considered "Liberal" compared with many conservative evangelical denominations especially with regard to women’s leadership.
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My understanding also Maj,

One note about “liberalism” you mentioned of the Indiana crew I personally as a more strict reader of Scripture do not interpret as women being raised to the higher leadership position of elders.

Women indeed are held in high regard by Saint Paul. In many of his letters addressing individuals in the greeting as a matter of priority put som humble women such as Priscilla and Lydia over even the men.

Personally I adhere to m husband’s leadership
99% of the time <grin> because well he’s an engineer yet raised with his mother’s heart of an Eunice and Lois. He was a fine elder.

<Mabe
 
Added this new thread since I waxed into morphing on Women in Leadership Roles that could be construed as usurping Elder leadership roles.

Women may be deacons but not elders. Women may "minister" (there are many roles of ministering not involving preaching The Gospel) but they may NOT be elders. This has become a huge splitting point in many denominations including Presbyterian and Baptist for instance.

I was a member briefly of a Presbyterian Church that split from USA Session to join an Evangelical Session because part of the congregation objected to a women standing at the pulpit delivering just one talk. This was previous to me becoming a member. I left that church for another reason in that they chose to follow the edicts of UN The World Council of Churches.

This is not me talking but rather Saint Paul to Timothy and Titus re: the eldership of men only - in fact only mature men only.

male elders in the church requirements

Women in The Bible

Bible Study Org

(See New Bookmarks Thread)

~ Mabe's Mama, wife of a former Elder
 
Mabel Lean said:
My understanding also Maj,

One note about “liberalism” you mentioned of the Indiana crew I personally as a more strict reader of Scripture do not interpret as women being raised to the higher leadership position of elders.

Women indeed are held in high regard by Saint Paul. In many of his letters addressing individuals in the greeting as a matter of priority put som humble women such as Priscilla and Lydia over even the men.

Personally I adhere to m husband’s leadership
99% of the time <grin> because well he’s an engineer yet raised with his mother’s heart of an Eunice and Lois. He was a fine elder.

<Mabe
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IMHO......a woman, especially a mother is to be held in the highest position of respect and honor.

However, the Scriptures do not allow a woman to be ordained as a deacon or a Pastor.

1 Timothy 3:1-2......
"This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

In verse #1, "Man and Husband" are masculine pronouns in the Original and do not mean "Anyone/Humanity"!

I had many ladies in positions of authority over the years. When I was Pastoring, I had a woman as my music minister for 25 years. We had a lady as the adult Bible School teacher. It was presented to the entire class that if any man wanted to be the teacher of that class, this lady would step down immediately but it never happened.
I had a woman as the finance chairman and she was also the president of the local bank of Wells Fargo. But none of them were deacons or Pastors.
 
Major said:
IMHO......a woman, especially a mother is to be held in the highest position of respect and honor.

However, the Scriptures do not allow a woman to be ordained as a deacon or a Pastor.

1 Timothy 3:1-2......
"This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

In verse #1, "Man and Husband" are masculine pronouns in the Original and do not mean "Anyone/Humanity"!

I had many ladies in positions of authority over the years. When I was Pastoring, I had a woman as my music minister for 25 years. We had a lady as the adult Bible School teacher. It was presented to the entire class that if any man wanted to be the teacher of that class, this lady would step down immediately but it never happened.
I had a woman as the finance chairman and she was also the president of the local bank of Wells Fargo. But none of them were deacons or Pastors.
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With yah Maj,

There is one exception perhaps ? in this according to the article I referenced in the new thread:

"... Phoebe, who was called a servant or minister (deaconess) in the church (Romans 16:1 - 2), ..."

I will refresh my memory <which is failing more and more daily> but wasn't Phoebe the messenger that delivered a precious book of Paul's? <wincing, furrowing brow> just which one... escapes me... <halp! me out here>

As a woman I can say I do NOT want the responsibility of a man to answer directly to GOD, I AM as an elder.
It's a mighty responsibility! The reward for a job well done running the race is mighty also.
Surely a crown is awaiting elders for their performance as servants.

Adding also...

NOR

Do I want to be "boss" of our household. In fact I run from role. But I do claim my 1% veto very, very occasionally.
My husband truly is remarkable! When presented the 1% idea, this BIG person will admit error and truly apologize.

He learned this valuable lesson of humility and service from his mother, Virginia Jo <well named> in the type of saint to Saint as in Eunice and Lois. We miss every single day! Oh my!

I was raised in a household where the roles were reversed. It was not in the main a happy home as a result. This parent never apologized EVER for being wrong. It was to this person's detriment sadly. The father of this person was cruel and this faulty behavior found its way to the next generation.

I have learned from the leadership of my husband to truly apologize and do my level best to make amens. He forgives me. GOD forgives me.

Which leads into my next thread morph ... The Importance of Names.

~ wife of a Joseph, a former elder
 
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Mabel Lean said:
With yah Maj,

There is one exception perhaps ? in this according to the article I referenced in the new thread:

"... Phoebe, who was called a servant or minister (deaconess) in the church (Romans 16:1 - 2), ..."

I will refresh my memory <which is failing more and more daily> but wasn't Phoebe the messenger that delivered a precious book of Paul's? <wincing, furrowing brow> just which one... escapes me... <halp! me out here>

As a woman I can say I do NOT want the responsibility of a man to answer directly to GOD, I AM as an elder.
It's a mighty responsibility! The reward for a job well done running the race is mighty also.
Surely a crown is awaiting elders for their performance as servants.

Adding also...

NOR

Do I want to be "boss" of our household. In fact I run from role. But I do claim my 1% veto very, very occasionally.
My husband truly is remarkable! When presented the 1% idea, this BIG person will admit error and truly apologize.

He learned this valuable lesson of humility and service from his mother, Virginia Jo <well named> in the type of saint to Saint as in Eunice and Lois. We miss every single day! Oh my!

I was raised in a household where the roles were reversed. It was not in the main a happy home as a result. This parent never apologized EVER for being wrong. It was to this person's detriment sadly. The father of this person was cruel and this faulty behavior found its way to the next generation.

I have learned from the leadership of my husband to truly apologize and do my level best to make amens. He forgives me. GOD forgives me.

Which leads into my next thread morph ... The Importance of Names.

~ wife of a Joseph, a former elder
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Yes.......she carried Pauls letter to Rome.(Rom.16:1-2).

In the KJV, when she was called a deaconess, it was the Greek word.... diakonos. When that word is used it is translated it as “servant”.
 
Another morph .... just read this as a link to Daily Verse of the Day in Bible Portal -

Thread > What Things Are Not Negotiable?

Some things just aren't negotiable

Man - The Dwelling Place of God - Some Things Are Not Negotiable​

By A.W. Tozer, Dec 17, 2025
Major said:
Yes.......she carried Pauls letter to Rome.(Rom.16:1-2).

In the KJV, when she was called a deaconess, it was the Greek word.... diakonos. When that word is used it is translated it as “servant”.
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Maj,

Super I remembered. One less thing to re-remember and re-trace steps.

That was my understanding that deacons mostly male were considered servants to the congregation as well as messengers.

Elders were meant more for doctrinal teaching.

Imagine the great loss to the world if The Great Book of Romans never made its destination!

Romans Chapter 8 in this book onwards really spoke to me the first Holy Spiritually lead reading on my cover-to-cover post conversion.

I highly recommend C.S. Lovett’s Lights Personal Christianity Series. Romans especially wonderful for lay.

The Scriptures in my sig. are the ones that really reached out and whapped me one.

}}}===>>> What Scriptures speak mightily to y’all???
 
Mabel Lean said:
Another morph .... just read this as a link to Daily Verse of the Day in Bible Portal -

Thread > What Things Are Not Negotiable?

Some things just aren't negotiable

Man - The Dwelling Place of God - Some Things Are Not Negotiable​

By A.W. Tozer, Dec 17, 2025


Maj,

Super I remembered. One less thing to re-remember and re-trace steps.

That was my understanding that deacons mostly male were considered servants to the congregation as well as messengers.

Elders were meant more for doctrinal teaching.

Imagine the great loss to the world if The Great Book of Romans never made its destination!

Romans Chapter 8 in this book onwards really spoke to me the first Holy Spiritually lead reading on my cover-to-cover post conversion.

I highly recommend C.S. Lovett’s Lights Personal Christianity Series. Romans especially wonderful for lay.

The Scriptures in my sig. are the ones that really reached out and whapped me one.

}}}===>>> What Scriptures speak mightily to y’all???
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Most of the time it is a misinterpretation from the original when it comes to "deacon".

It should be noted that in Bible days, "Most" women were not highly regarded and very few were educated at all.
 
YeshuaFan said:
Mormons, JW Sda Christian science being the major ones, just wondering why they all arose at the same time period, was there something going on bad in Christianity at that time that caused them to all suddenly arrive on the scene
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Hello! I guess it may be the times we're living in, the closer we get to the return of the Lord, the more spiritual deception emerges.

When asked about his return the first thing the Lord said was: Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you" (Matthew 24:4).

In the 19th century we were moving into the modern age, closer to the Lord's return, cults/ deception increased. A poet once said I think that it seems darkest just before dawn. God Bless You :)
 
Fillan said:
Hello! I guess it may be the times we're living in, the closer we get to the return of the Lord, the more spiritual deception emerges.

When asked about his return the first thing the Lord said was: Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you" (Matthew 24:4).

In the 19th century we were moving into the modern age, closer to the Lord's return, cults/ deception increased. A poet once said I think that it seems darkest just before dawn. God Bless You :)
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Correct!

Of all the things that Jesus warned us that would be coming, Deception was #1 on His hit list.
 
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