Alcohol, Alcoholism, and Temperance.

Well, ok, but i dont know. When ppl drink they get all funny and argumenative. I was friends with somebody who drank and while she wasnt violent or anything, she was very funny, but she was also sad.
She eventually moved away not telling me we grew apart, but sometimes i think about her if she ever got sober. She said she did attend AA meetings. She said i was lucky I didnt drink, cos she did, to cope with life. Also she would then be very tired and fall asleep. She was many years older than me so had years of alcohol tolerance I guess you would call it, and could drink and drink but it really affected her. I did not know this when first meeting her that she drank so much. She would be carfeul though, have it with meals..but she could not go without it.
 
Lanolin said:
I wonttake part cos you guys are drinking and excluding me from conversation. It is interesting that you just talk stuff but dont offer me any non alcoholic option, so Im just gonna pass out.

Also, it smells.
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Please don't back out Lanolin. Just because we drink alcohol doesn't mean we are ogres. Yes we are discussing what drinks we enjoy, but that's because there was no one expressing your point of view.
 
I once had strepsils for a cold or sore throat and they made me feel funny and then looked at the packet they had alcohol in them! I was drunk on strepsils! Ugh.
I think substance abuse is not good, but the substances themselves, if affecting you, can react so you should not take them if they bad for you, and if you KNOW they bad for you you shouldnt partake or encourage others to do so as well, so that they stumble and fall. Thats just mean. Its being a good friend. And im not gonna be everyones sober driver all the time. Cant ppl have a good time without alcohol???
 
Well i dont know about guiness. Its pretty strong. The only alcohol I could tolerate and think was actually nice was Baileys. But ireland ought to have a decent fresh water supply. Jesus absolutely placed importance on fresh water.
Um grape juice can keep my mum made some it doesnt go off or turn fermented. So thats a lie. It can keep for months and months.
 
Lanolin said:
Well, ok, but i dont know. When ppl drink they get all funny and argumenative. I was friends with somebody who drank and while she wasnt violent or anything, she was very funny, but she was also sad.
She eventually moved away not telling me we grew apart, but sometimes i think about her if she ever got sober. She said she did attend AA meetings. She said i was lucky I didnt drink, cos she did, to cope with life. Also she would then be very tired and fall asleep. She was many years older than me so had years of alcohol tolerance I guess you would call it, and could drink and drink but it really affected her. I did not know this when first meeting her that she drank so much. She would be carfeul though, have it with meals..but she could not go without it.
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Indeed, I think we can all agree that being careless with alcohol is wrong. No argument from me that drunkenness is a sin. Alcoholism has been a huge problem with my aunt's family. He abused alcohol and then his own family physically. His judgment and morals were definitely clouded -- whether it was because of alcohol or despite it since he may or may not have been sober up toward his death...though he committed suicide. He was definitely tormented long before drinking. This is why I'd even suggest drinking alcohol when upset is a very bad idea.

Although the question at hand isn't when drinking is appropriate, or whether or not it tastes good (that, of course, is subjective)...it's a question of whether or not having even a tiny sip of alcohol, which will do no harm to most people at all (remember, we're speaking generally here) is wrong.
 
Lanolin said:
Well i dont know about guiness. Its pretty strong. The only alcohol I could tolerate and think was actually nice was Baileys. But ireland ought to have a decent fresh water supply. Jesus absolutely placed importance on fresh water.
Um grape juice can keep my mum made some it doesnt go off or turn fermented. So thats a lie. It can keep for months and months.
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In Jesus day and beyond, the juice of the grape could not be kept indefinitely. It would ferment quickly.
 
Lanolin said:
Well, ok, but i dont know. When ppl drink they get all funny and argumenative. I was friends with somebody who drank and while she wasnt violent or anything, she was very funny, but she was also sad.
She eventually moved away not telling me we grew apart, but sometimes i think about her if she ever got sober. She said she did attend AA meetings. She said i was lucky I didnt drink, cos she did, to cope with life. Also she would then be very tired and fall asleep. She was many years older than me so had years of alcohol tolerance I guess you would call it, and could drink and drink but it really affected her. I did not know this when first meeting her that she drank so much. She would be carfeul though, have it with meals..but she could not go without it.
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You seem to mix with some very sad and defeated people Lanolin.
To me, the real problem is christians running away from the "demon drink", rather than dealing with it.
In contrast, we are called to have dominion over such things and not be ruled by them.
 
Lanolin said:
Um grape juice can keep my mum made some it doesnt go off or turn fermented. So thats a lie. It can keep for months and months.
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I don't think that was a lie. At the very least, it would have been a mistake. I don't think anyone here is lying.

Keeping juice from fermenting today with our resources and ability to curb temperature is easy as pie compared to Biblical times or even before the 1900's. It wasn't impossible to keep juice from fermenting back then, from my understanding, but the process was very difficult and even many wealthy kings didn't have this ability so easily.
 
I think people have the strongest reaction to being anti-alcohol instead of fairly treating alcohol and gluttony the same because alcohol has an immediate effect whereas gluttony takes years to develope issues. One kills the liver over time and brain cells immediately while the other kills the pancreas over time and the nervous system over time. One kills relationships faster than the other, yet both hurt the ones we love. Sin is sin, period. However, all negative conditions are caused by sin. It's easier to hate alcohol - the bible equates it to a snake - and yet, gluttony is just a word without an example of an equal evil. Well, just my rantings. :D
 
Gluttony is bad.
Um, dont know what to say as ppl getting argumentative now.
Can we just go back to scripture?

One of the fruits of the holy spirit is temperance.
 
Lanolin said:
Well i dont know about guiness. Its pretty strong. The only alcohol I could tolerate and think was actually nice was Baileys. But ireland ought to have a decent fresh water supply. Jesus absolutely placed importance on fresh water.
Um grape juice can keep my mum made some it doesnt go off or turn fermented. So thats a lie. It can keep for months and months.
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One must be very mindful of these really fizzy drink like alcohol drinks, because you drink them like you would have a cooldrink, and that is bad, because it will knock your block off.
Any case, I agree that fizzy drinks, or soda drinks or stuff like that is really unhealthy. Water is very important to us, but if the water supply is no good, then you are only hurting yourself. We often had this problem in South Africa, where due to neglect and maintenance of equipment, purification would break down and "dirty" water would enter our homes.
I distil our drink and food water at home to ensure no bugs are making it through. Having been doing for almost ten years now.
Grocery store grape juice is not what it's cut out to be, and in many cases also very unhealthy, as are many fruit juices. Most specialists recommend to juice your juice at home and mix proper proportions clean water to it.
 
Abdicate said:
I think people have the strongest reaction to being anti-alcohol instead of fairly treating alcohol and gluttony the same because alcohol has an immediate effect whereas gluttony takes years to develope issues. One kills the liver over time and brain cells immediately while the other kills the pancreas over time and the nervous system over time. One kills relationships faster than the other, yet both hurt the ones we love. Sin is sin, period. However, all negative conditions are caused by sin. It's easier to hate alcohol - the bible equates it to a snake - and yet, gluttony is just a word without an example of an equal evil. Well, just my rantings. :D
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The subject of gluttony is one I'd love to discuss. From my understanding, gluttony isn't a sin once it does harm to the body. I understand it as a sin because it's a disband from temperance -- so it is, even if practiced just the one time so the body isn't harmed, still a sin because of it's impact on the heart.
 
Besides it is not what I think that means anything but what God thinks. If you enjoying your drink and then get angry cos somebody else doesnt enjoy what you enjoy..thats no good. Cos ppl have their reasons for not poisoning themselves.
That is why we have laws about drinking cos its so harmful for children. Not everyones body can handle it, and there are MANY cases of ppl dying from it, so...dont understand why you so defensive. I know at least two personally who have died from it and they did not drink everyday. Also it was cos of other ppl around them. I also know someone who drank, lost control of his car and killed someone. You may think you immune but you really not aware of how your behaviour affects other ppl under the influence. Would you offer children alcohol? No.

And its not like so,ething special that everyone is supposed to have. So you cant force ppl to drink it. Thats just rude.
 
All grape juice needs is to be preserved is proper sealed bottles. It does not even need fancy refrigeration. I had some last night, been keeping for months. Some even keep for years, depending on how strong you like it.
 
Lanolin said:
Gluttony is bad.
Um, dont know what to say as ppl getting argumentative now.
Can we just go back to scripture?

One of the fruits of the holy spirit is temperance.
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Nobody is getting argumentative Lanolin. As far as I can see, they are all presenting truth as they see it.

As for temperance as a fruit of the spirit, the word has nothing whatsoever to do with alcohol.
 
Lanolin said:
All grape juice needs is to be preserved is proper sealed bottles. It does not even need fancy refrigeration. I had some last night, been keeping for months. Some even keep for years, depending on how strong you like it.
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You mean screw top or crown cork bottles. They had lots of them in Jesus's time.
If you had commercial grape juice, it contains chemicals, sulphites I think. That's what kills all the yeast, which is what causes the fermentation process.
 
LysanderShapiro said:
The subject of gluttony is one I'd love to discuss. From my understanding, gluttony isn't a sin once it does harm to the body. I understand it as a sin because it's a disband from temperance -- so it is, even if practiced just the one time so the body isn't harmed, still a sin because of it's impact on the heart.
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Actually, gluttony is a sin as it is practiced, which is a continual lack of self-discipline with regard to food. Harm to the body is its consequence.
 
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