An American Pope

What effect do you think this may have on Christianity in America?
Being a former Catholic... who has "stepped out of" and "walked away from" this cult... I don't believe ANYTHING will happen to Christianity.

However.... I do believe that prophetically... this move on the part of the church to elect an American POPE is a political one.

I also believe these INSTITUTIONS of the ELITE are getting ready to bring about the NEW WORLD ORDER of which the Catholic church will be front and center.

My outlook is one of SHEER GLOOM. HAHA. Thankfully... I am a lowly spectator... and it does NOT matter what I THINK is HAPPENING.
 
What effect do you think this may have on Christianity in America?
I was stunned by the selection of an American born and raised (but one who spent a lot of time in S.A.). I am one who is interested by "palace intrigue" and I wonder if the cardinals wanted to send some kind of message to the West? This is a non-issue for many of us on this forum who are not Catholics, but I do like political drama movies involving conspiracies, etc.
 
Do you think there may be a move towards the RCC from protestant churches since now there is a pope who "looks like us", so to speak?
That my friend is a really good question.

We have all seen a noticeable decline in church attendance of all denominations in the last 50 years or so.

I am not able to do this any more because of health concerns, but in years past I was able to attend many church services around the south and speak in many. Having said that your question sparked something in my memory that In recent years, I saw a concerning trend that has emerged within many Protestant denominations and evangelical churches gradually turning to or adopting practices associated with Catholicism.

This shift encompasses a wide range of rituals, beliefs, and practices that were once rejected during the Protestant Reformation.

The trend includes an increased emphasis on liturgy and sacraments, with many churches reintroducing formal liturgies, ornate rituals, and a heightened focus on sacraments such as the Eucharist. Some Protestant denominations are even adopting the Catholic belief in transubstantiation, which is the idea that the bread and wine literally become the body and blood of Christ during Communion.

This practice contradicts the biblical teaching of communion as a symbolic remembrance of Christ's sacrifice.

I have seen and it is really easy to investigate and find that many, many Protestant denominations are now teaching that water baptism, and works are essential for salvation and IMHO all of this is a result of the push for ecumenical unity.
For example, the 1999 Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification, signed by representatives of the Lutheran World Federation and the Roman Catholic Church, sought to bridge differences on this crucial doctrine.

Relativism and New Age ideologies have also infiltrated Christian thought, promoting the idea that all spiritual paths are equally valid. This contradicts Jesus' exclusive claim to be the only way to the Father. The pressure to conform to these ideologies often comes from a desire to appear inclusive and tolerant in a pluralistic society.

I am thinking that the issue here, whether you meant to or not, is that this may very well push even deeper into the "apostasy" that Paul told us about in 2 Thess.
 
On June 23, 2014, Kenneth Copeland, along with James and Betty Robison and other evangelical church leaders, met with the Pope in Rome at the Pope's request. Also in attendance were John and Carol Arnott ( The Toronto Blessing church )

I named this the JUDAS kiss... and kept that moniker to myself.
 
On June 23, 2014, Kenneth Copeland, along with James and Betty Robison and other evangelical church leaders, met with the Pope in Rome at the Pope's request. Also in attendance were John and Carol Arnott ( The Toronto Blessing church )

I named this the JUDAS kiss... and kept that moniker to myself.
Where there is smoke, there is a fire
 
Relativism and New Age ideologies have also infiltrated Christian thought, promoting the idea that all spiritual paths are equally valid. This contradicts Jesus' exclusive claim to be the only way to the Father. The pressure to conform to these ideologies often comes from a desire to appear inclusive and tolerant in a pluralistic society.
Of God vs of the world.


On June 23, 2014, Kenneth Copeland, along with James and Betty Robison and other evangelical church leaders, met with the Pope in Rome at the Pope's request. Also in attendance were John and Carol Arnott ( The Toronto Blessing church )
I fail to see the error in this. Interfaith discussion is common, and all of the above are Christian so it's fair to open dialogue. What am I not seeing?
 
Of God vs of the world.



I fail to see the error in this. Interfaith discussion is common, and all of the above are Christian so it's fair to open dialogue. What am I not seeing?
I don't know if it is an "error" but Every single person listed is part of the "Name it and Claim It" or as some like to say, "The Prosperity Gospel" which is totally non-biblical!

To me.....it seems ominous that the richest religion non-biblical church, (Catholic) would be having a dialogue with the non-biblical Prosperity doctrine which states that material wealth and possessions are the rights of every Christian.
 
I fail to see the error in this. Interfaith discussion is common, and all of the above are Christian so it's fair to open dialogue. What am I not seeing?
My Dear friend.... I am unable to answer this question in a SCRIPTURAL way.... It is a KNOWING/BELIEF that I have with regards to the TRUE IDENTITY of the CATHOLIC CHURCH.... and so because I don't have the ability to DEFEND my BELIEFS... I am therefore unable to debate them.

In my opinion... the CATHOLIC church is NOT what it appears to be.... BEHIND closed doors... it is a SUPER POWER which has NOTHING to do with RELIGION.

I have made it NO SECRET that I LOATHE this institution for reasons of my own.

I believe that the NEW WORLD order will be brought forth LARGELY by the CATHOLIC CHURCH.

The problem with this meeting that you QUESTION or WONDER is that those who are on BOARD this "Christian Unity Boat" do not understand that they are entering into an UNHOLY ALLIANCE. The Catholics have no INTEREST in UNITY... they have only interest in being a SUPER POWER. The doctrine alone states that they are the ONE TRUE CHURCH.

What I have stated is NOT kind... and I am aware of this... but I have stated it because you wanted to know what you were missing.

I have a VERY HARSH view of the CATHOLIC church... WHAT it IS... and WHAT IT IS NOT... and that is the part where many just do NOT see.

God bless you LearningToLetGo. I hope you can accept my opinion as a ONE time contribution as I do not DESIRE to discuss my views or debate them.

THEY remain in the confines of my heart.... and they are between me and FATHER.
 
To me.....it seems ominous that the richest religion non-biblical church, (Catholic) would be having a dialogue with the non-biblical Prosperity doctrine which states that material wealth and possessions are the rights of every Christian.
I see. Thank you for clarifying. I had not been thinking along those lines.

As I see it, with so many factions, Christianity as a formal religious structure is already fractured so anything that can unify it is worth pursuing. Of course each of the shards wants to be dominant so it's a pipe dream on my part. But all dialogue is good so I support it.
 
As I see it, with so many factions, Christianity as a formal religious structure is already fractured so anything that can unify it is worth pursuing. Of course each of the shards wants to be dominant so it's a pipe dream on my part. But all dialogue is good so I support it.
So here I go again... showing that I do NOT KNOW many things about what the BIBLE says in certain cases.

Does scripture NOT state that HER TRUE CHURCH / THE BRIDE ... will rise up??? Something about a remnant??

I think what is happening right now is that GOD is beginning to DEAL with the CHURCH.
I see this time as Jesus turning the tables at the temple. Again... this is not something I have gleaned from SCRIPTURE... but it is what I have gleaned from WHAT I SEE when I LOOK.

These forums have a BEAUTIFUL UNITY.... and it is BECAUSE of EXACTLY what you are stating... regarding your sadness about FACTIONS and DIVISIONS.... I know the forums are SMALL... and NOT tangible.... but THAT type of UNITY... I BELIEVE is coming... I truly believe that REVIVAL is going to come. AGAIN.... I have nothing to base that on.... EXCEPT that I know that GOD DELIGHTS in the PRAISES of HIS PEOPLE.

Modern CHRISTIANITY has MADE a MOCKERY of GOD... It all has to be BURNED in order for a TRUE CHURCH to rise up.

The above is my humble opinion.
 
Modern CHRISTIANITY has MADE a MOCKERY of GOD... It all has to be BURNED in order for a TRUE CHURCH to rise up.
Under whose leadership? RCC? Baptists? Lutherans? Presbyterians? LDS? This kind of reasoning just goes in circles. Death, destruction and subjugation cannot yield love and peace. Only true understanding can do that, and dialogue is the first step in that direction.
 
Under whose leadership? RCC? Baptists? Lutherans? Presbyterians? LDS? This kind of reasoning just goes in circles. Death, destruction and subjugation cannot yield love and peace. Only true understanding can do that, and dialogue is the first step in that direction.
I personally do not SEE this according to denominations as such... however I do remove Catholicism completely from the equation.
I believe the Catholic church by its own DOCTRINE does not consider any other Christian denomination to be their EQUAL. THEY state themselves as the ONE true CHURCH. THIS in my opinion will never change and I believe God has a special and severe judgement that will come down against the Catholic Church.

So under protestant teachings... What I mean is biblical truth. There are many protestant churches NOT teaching biblical truth. As far as I can see... modern Christianity has been reduced to mostly Word of Faith teachings and many other NON-BIBLICAL beliefs.
When I say this... it is because GOD's WORD is PURE and cannot be diluted to fit the DESIRES of man. SO... yes... I stand by my claim that MODERN CHRISTIANITY has across the BOARD... made a MOCKERY of GOD.

I am simply stating that from what I see... I feel that God is in the beginning stages of cleaning house... and exposing some of the darkness.
 
I see. Thank you for clarifying. I had not been thinking along those lines.

As I see it, with so many factions, Christianity as a formal religious structure is already fractured so anything that can unify it is worth pursuing. Of course each of the shards wants to be dominant so it's a pipe dream on my part. But all dialogue is good so I support it.
I here you and I understand what you are saying.

I agree that we need to get along and be friendly, but the question is actually what if some of those who profess Christianity actually deny certain fundamentals or essentials of the faith?

Remember what God said in Mattew 7:21-23........
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

You see, today we are bombarded with people and organizations who reference the name of Jesus Christ and even state He is Lord and Savior, yet clearly reject what the Bible says about Him and the basics of the Christian faith.

Obvious examples of this are Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, and the Universalists who call themselves followers of Jesus Christ and claim to be “Christian” yet deny what the Bible declares concerning Christ’s nature and work.

Now we are discussing the relationship or ecumenical position of the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant church.

I believe that you are aware that there are substantial differences between the two groups.

Allow me to say with all due respect to any Catholic reading this that Biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism are two different religions that practice and believe different things about the essentials of the faith we call Christianity.

We are seperated on how one is saved, the authority of the Bible, the priesthood of believers, the nature of man, the work of Christ on the cross, the Veneration of Mary, the Immaculate conception of Mary and original sin. The list of irreconcilable differences between what the Bible says and what the Roman Catholic Church says make any joint mission between the two impossible.

Those who deny this are not being true to what they say they believe, no matter which side they are on. Any Catholic who is serious about his faith will reject what a serious evangelical Christian believes, and vice-versa.

Does that mean we should not be friends.........NO! One of my best friends lives next door to me for the last 25 years. and he is a Catholic. We fish together and watch football together and go to restaurants together but we do not attend church together.
 
I personally do not SEE this according to denominations as such... however I do remove Catholicism completely from the equation.
I believe the Catholic church by its own DOCTRINE does not consider any other Christian denomination to be their EQUAL. THEY state themselves as the ONE true CHURCH. THIS in my opinion will never change and I believe God has a special and severe judgement that will come down against the Catholic Church.

So under protestant teachings... What I mean is biblical truth. There are many protestant churches NOT teaching biblical truth. As far as I can see... modern Christianity has been reduced to mostly Word of Faith teachings and many other NON-BIBLICAL beliefs.
When I say this... it is because GOD's WORD is PURE and cannot be diluted to fit the DESIRES of man. SO... yes... I stand by my claim that MODERN CHRISTIANITY has across the BOARD... made a MOCKERY of GOD.

I am simply stating that from what I see... I feel that God is in the beginning stages of cleaning house... and exposing some of the darkness.
Hello sis.

I agree in that there are many Protestant churches that have perverted the Word of God. However, those who have done that are who God warned us about in Matthew 7:21-23 in that they are "make believers".

It is also true that the Catholic church has done worse than that. The RCC has made "Traditions" just as equal to the Word of God and has added those traditions as Church Doctrine.
 
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