Are The New Bible Versions Today Really Sound? This Is Not A 'kjv Only' Post ...

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You made the claim that the NIV is of the devil. You claimed it took away the divinity of Jesus. You also claim that,most Christians in the US aren't saved because of the NIV. That comment is no biblical.
again- if you had read the PDF, I say that all the new versions that are derived from the Catholic based documents are counterfeits. I only used the NIV for comparison because it is 'the most popular' among those alternative versions today...

Don't twist my words to say something they don't.

TC
 
Not true.
Why does the NIV (and other new versions) change three places that God's name is used, when the Greek says ‘Theos’...

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


Is not God's name the most Holy? Why remove it...

The NIV removes ‘Lord’ 39 times, ‘Christ’ 52 times, ‘Jesus’ 87 times and ‘God’ 13 times. total...Yep, the Lords name or His deity is removed over 190 times.

Why is that? Do you have a legitimate reason why that has been done?

TC
 
Why does the NIV (and other new versions) change three places, when the Greek says ‘Theos’... Is not God's name the most Holy? Why remove it...

The NIV also removes ‘Lord’ 39 times, ‘Christ’ 52 times, ‘Jesus’ 87 times and ‘God’ 13 times. total...Yep, the Lords name or His deity is removed over 190 times.

Why is that? Do you have a legitimate reason why that has been done?

TC

Anything that you consider a change or a removal is not really so. It is most often contained in the verse(s) preceding or following and the meaning is not altered one bit.

Your "SKY IS FALLING!" approach is shameful and futile, especially when so many countless Christians have met Christ and grown in Christ through the use of the NIV and many other English translations that the Lord God has made available to us!

Do you forget that Holy Spirit is the one who teaches us and not the letter of the word itself? My belief is that in some people, a little knowledge can become a hindrance to the Body of Christ.
 

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You are right about one thing...there is nothing 'original' in it. These same warnings have been going out for years by preachers and pastors far more understanding of the Word of God than me...I am just blowing the trumpet as well.

1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

TC
You could have just given a link then.

I don't use the NIV, and even for since of the reasons you cited, but I don't think it's of the devil.
 
again- if you had read the PDF, I say that all the new versions that are derived from the Catholic based documents are counterfeits. I only used the NIV for comparison because it is 'the most popular' among those alternative versions today...

Don't twist my words to say something they don't.

TC
I gave you three versions that are new versions and you claim they are counterfeit? I believe you like to cause conflict which in itself is of the devil.
 
You made the claim that the NIV is of the devil. You claimed it took away the divinity of Jesus. You also claim that,most Christians in the US aren't saved because of the NIV. That comment is no biblical.

In the KJV grace is defined as the power of Jesus Christ( the power of the Holy Spirit) It is also called 'the Kingdom of God':


Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.



Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace,whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:



The ‘kingdom of God’ is the righteousness, peace, and Joy of the Holy Spirit (true grace) The nature and purpose of grace is removed in the new versions...By comparing scripture, it is easy to see that ‘grace’ is the power of God and we are given ‘grace' to serve God with:


KJV:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:


The KJV text tells us that we receive ‘grace’ ( the power of Christ )to serve God. In the NIV, ‘grace’ is removed from the verse that explains this to us instead saying ‘let us be thankful’:


NIV: Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,


You cannot serve God with ’thankfulness’-you must have the power of the Holy Spirit( true grace). Jesus said ‘with out me you can do nothing’ for a good reason! The NIV (and the other new versions) make it a works based doctrine (our ‘thankfulness’) rather than a spirit led doctrine (by His grace)... The NIV also changes ‘grace whereby we serve God’ to ‘worship God’-removing the doctrine of serving God.

That is one small example of the differences...Go 'rightly divide the word of truth' in the new versions...It cannot be done- too many words are changed so that you cannot easily compare the precepts to each other...

TC
 
In the KJV grace is defined as the power of Jesus Christ( the power of the Holy Spirit) It is also called 'the Kingdom of God':


Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.



Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.


Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace,whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:



The ‘kingdom of God’ is the righteousness, peace, and Joy of the Holy Spirit (true grace) The nature and purpose of grace is removed in the new versions...By comparing scripture, it is easy to see that ‘grace’ is the power of God and we are given ‘grace to serve God with:


KJV:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:


The KJV text tells us that we receive ‘grace’ ( the power of Christ )to serve God. In the NIV, ‘grace’ is removed from the verse that explains this to us instead saying ‘let us be thankful’:


NIV: Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship Godacceptably with reverence and awe,


You cannot serve God with ’thankfulness’-you must have the power of the Holy Spirit( true grace). Jesus said ‘with out me you can do nothing’ for a good reason! The NIV (and the other new versions) make it a works based doctrine (our ‘thankfulness’) rather than a spirit led doctrine (by His grace)... The NIV also changes ‘grace whereby we serve God’ to ‘worship God’-removing the doctrine of serving God.

That is one small example of the differences...Go 'rightly divide the word of truth' in the new versions...It cannot be done- too many words are changed so that you cannot easily compare the precepts to each other...

TC
You can't claim people aren't saved based on your idea of a devil bible. We are saved by the grace of God and our faith in Jesus. You stating a certain bible saves is an act of works. You are confused and on some sort of crusade to make yourself feel more holy or something. Take your nonsense elsewhere.
 
These words are spirit and they are life...We are quickened by the precepts of God. Man shall not live but by every word of God

If the food you are getting looks good, tastes good, and fills you up for awhile, is laced with slow killing poison... how good is that food really? The new versions- though they may look and sound good- are clever counterfeits. They are laced with poisonous doctrines and that is the very reason that today there is a lack of spiritual discernment and carnality among congregations.

They are part of the reason that gay marriage is being accepted rather than rejected, they are the reason why people are still idolators and fornicators and abusers of themselves...because the word they are reading is not having any real effect on them. Today's Bibles are diluted copies of the Word. I would offer up this challenge to you. Read the KJV or another olderBible that is based on the majority/ received text for three months and compare it just to itself- not with other translations. Watch what happens...The subtle differences between it and the 'revised text' translations like NIV, NASB, ESV, etc will begin to stand out like a sore thumb to you...

TC
When does the NIV bible promote any of the things you say reading it causes? Your whole claim is meaningless unless you can prove that the NIV bible is blasphemy and promoting sin. I think you are a perfectionist and over-complicating things. That isn't meant to be an insult btw. I am a perfectionist also and over-complicate everything, and I can honestly say it is a gift and a curse. In this case I think you need to re-evaluate your thinking on this topic.
 
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You can't claim people aren't saved based on your idea of a devil bible. We are saved by the grace of God and our faith in Jesus. You stating a certain bible saves is an act of works. You are confused and on some sort of crusade to make yourself feel more holy or something. Take your nonsense elsewhere.
Do you understand 'grace' We are given grace( the power of the Holy Spirit) through faith( trust and obedience to Jesus) He gives us power to overcome the Devil and serve Him. Have you been given the power of grace or do you have some 'other kind of grace'?

TC
 
When does the NIV bible promote any of the things you say reading it causes? Your whole claim is meaningless unless you can prove that the NIV bible is blasphemy or promoting sin. I think you are a perfectionist and over-complicating things. That isn't meant to be an insult btw, I just think you needed to hear it.
Is fornication sin?

If the warning not to do it is removed should we assume that it is acceptable? The NIV completely removes it in Romans 1:29

KJV:

Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

NIV: 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,



The NIV changes it to 'sexual immorality' in other verses making very vague what the reader may think 'immorality' is-

KJV 1Co 10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.

NIV 1 Cor 10:8 We should not commit sexual immorality, as some of them did—and in one day twenty-three thousand of them died.

What exactly does 'sexual immorality' mean to you? The text is specific to fornication- yet they change it. This is important stuff
For instance divorce:

KJV:

Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


NIV: 31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.


Again, what constitutes 'sexual immorality? In the KJV the verse is specific to 'fornication'. You know why...because he was talking about 'putting away' a woman who you had discovered was not a virgin or cheated on you:

Mat 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 1:19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

Compare with Matthew 5:
Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.

Joseph thought she had committed fornication with someone because she was pregnant. Fornication is sex outside of marriage. It is a very specific act..Yes the NIV and other new versions change it...but look at that verse again for another egregious error...

NIV: 31 “It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

KJV: Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery

Nothing there about making her a victim...It means that when she goes and remarries- she becomes guilty of adultery. Now take that message into your congregation and see how fast they throw you out!

TC
 
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Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace,whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:



The ‘kingdom of God’ is the righteousness, peace, and Joy of the Holy Spirit (true grace) The nature and purpose of grace is removed in the new versions...By comparing scripture, it is easy to see that ‘grace’ is the power of God and we are given ‘grace' to serve God with:


KJV:

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:


The KJV text tells us that we receive ‘grace’ ( the power of Christ )to serve God. In the NIV, ‘grace’ is removed from the verse that explains this to us instead saying ‘let us be thankful’:


NIV: Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe,


You cannot serve God with ’thankfulness’-you must have the power of the Holy Spirit( true grace). Jesus said ‘with out me you can do nothing’ for a good reason! The NIV (and the other new versions) make it a works based doctrine (our ‘thankfulness’) rather than a spirit led doctrine (by His grace)... The NIV also changes ‘grace whereby we serve God’ to ‘worship God’-removing the doctrine of serving God.

That is one small example of the differences...Go 'rightly divide the word of truth' in the new versions...It cannot be done- too many words are changed so that you cannot easily compare the precepts to each other...

TC

Re: Hebrews 12:28: Context dictates how we take on the meaning of "grace" and when it is GRATITUDE!

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χάρις
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From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).


I am so glad and grateful to God that He has provided us with better, more understandable English translations of His word, as archaic English gets in the way of basic understanding of many words, and "grace" is one of them.
 
Re: Hebrews 12:28: Context dictates how we take on the meaning of "grace" and when it is GRATITUDE!

G5485
χάρις
charis
khar'-ece
From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).




I am so glad and grateful to God that He has provided us with better, more understandable English translations of His word, as archaic English gets in the way of basic understanding of many words, and "grace" is one of them.
That may be how you 'understand grace'...But that is not what scripture says. I am thankful that God has given to me the power, love, wisdom, strength, and help that is His spiritual grace so that I can do His will acceptably and not boast that it was me who did it because I was 'thankful'. Without the power of Christ- you can do nothing...

From G5463; graciousness (as gratifying), of manner or act (abstract or concrete; literal, figurative or spiritual; especially the divine influence upon the heart, and its reflection in the life; including gratitude): - acceptable, benefit, favour, gift, grace (-ious), joy liberality, pleasure, thank (-s, -worthy).

2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


TC
 
These words are spirit and they are life...We are quickened by the precepts of God. Man shall not live but by every word of God

If the food you are getting looks good, tastes good, and fills you up for awhile, is laced with slow killing poison... how good is that food really? The new versions- though they may look and sound good- are clever counterfeits. They are laced with poisonous doctrines and that is the very reason that today there is a lack of spiritual discernment and carnality among congregations.

They are part of the reason that gay marriage is being accepted rather than rejected, they are the reason why people are still idolators and fornicators and abusers of themselves...because the word they are reading is not having any real effect on them. Today's Bibles are diluted copies of the Word. I would offer up this challenge to you. Read the KJV or another olderBible that is based on the majority/ received text for three months and compare it just to itself- not with other translations. Watch what happens...The subtle differences between it and the 'revised text' translations like NIV, NASB, ESV, etc will begin to stand out like a sore thumb to you...

TC
TC, I'm being as earnest as I can here. I've read your pdf and posts. I understand what you're saying, I just don't understand how you came to this conclusion.

You postulate that a certain decay in culture is due to a corruption of text....I not only grew up with KJV, but have spent years interacting with many stripes of evangelical churches and I see no consistent difference in the decay of culture. For all of the struggle with "idolaters and fornicators and abusers of themselves" in the modern church in general, I see no apprehendable difference in congregations that have remained loyal to the KJV. Are there surveys or studies on this I'm not aware of? If not by a difference of fruit produced, how are you arriving at a cause/effect relationship between the decline of the KJV and the decline of culture?

@everyone else: some great comments, some not so great. Looking for the heart of an issue is great, but if you suspect you're troll feeding...then stop feeding :) The rest of us will figure it out eventually :)
 
That may be how you 'understand grace'...But that is not what scripture says. I am thankful that God has given to me the power, love, wisdom, strength, and help that is His spiritual grace so that I can do His will acceptably and not boast that it was me who did it because I was 'thankful'. Without the power of Christ- you can do nothing...

TC

Sorry, but the word "grace" in that verse includes the meaning of thankfulness. Other versions have translated it so, and that is exactly what is meant. Boasting doesn't enter into it. either you believe the word, or you do not. Criticizing it based on your own limited knowledge is a very ruinous thing to do, spiritually.
 
Sorry, but the word "grace" in that verse includes the meaning of thankfulness. Other versions have translated it so, and that is exactly what is meant. Boasting doesn't enter into it. either you believe the word, or you do not. Criticizing it based on your own limited knowledge is a very ruinous thing to do, spiritually.
Perhaps you are the one with 'limited knowledge' and are too stiffnecked in heart and ears to hear. Grace is the power of God unto Salvation..

Grace is being quickened or 'brought to life' spiritually
( Ephesians 2 :5)

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)


Grace is a 'washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Ghost'( Titus 3: 5-7)

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Grace is 'teaching from God how to live':

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;


You completely lack knowledge of what true grace is friend...humble yourself to God and let Him teach you...

Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

TC
 
I am not stiff-necked about anything, but am willing for the Lord to teach me through His word, and he does, through many versions! His voice is what speaks through the letter, but the letter doesn't speak. Holy Spirit quickens it to us. so your diatribe against other English versions is useless drivel.

You and I both have limited knowledge, yet what little you have gained has served to create fear and trepidation in you and now you seek to sow that same fear in others. It is wrong to be doing this.

As for humility, rather than pointing fingers at others, you need to ask the Lord to teach you about humility, because this kind of criticism of the word of God comes from pride.
 
TC, I'm being as earnest as I can here. I've read your pdf and posts. I understand what you're saying, I just don't understand how you came to this conclusion.

You postulate that a certain decay in culture is due to a corruption of text....I not only grew up with KJV, but have spent years interacting with many stripes of evangelical churches and I see no consistent difference in the decay of culture. For all of the struggle with "idolaters and fornicators and abusers of themselves" in the modern church in general, I see no apprehendable difference in congregations that have remained loyal to the KJV. Are there surveys or studies on this I'm not aware of? If not by a difference of fruit produced, how are you arriving at a cause/effect relationship between the decline of the KJV and the decline of culture?

@everyone else: some great comments, some not so great. Looking for the heart of an issue is great, but if you suspect you're troll feeding...then stop feeding :) The rest of us will figure it out eventually :)


I 'postulate' that the decay is not in culture but in the church because of unsound doctrine and teaching out of corrupt text!

Perhaps the 'god of this world' has you blind to the corruption friend. 'comparing themselves by themselves' Paul said was unwise . Compare the churches today with scripture and you will see entire congregations given over to Idolatry, Fornication, Covetousness, and a host of other flesh behaviors. This is the very reason why non believers call the churches at large a bunch of hypocrites!!! Wake up...

TC
 
I am not stiff-necked about anything, but am willing for the Lord to teach me through His word, and he does, through many versions! His voice is what speaks through the letter, but the letter doesn't speak. Holy Spirit quickens it to us. so your diatribe against other English versions is useless drivel.

You and I both have limited knowledge, yet what little you have gained has served to create fear and trepidation in you and now you seek to sow that same fear in others. It is wrong to be doing this.

As for humility, you need a bunch.
Come and hang around me for a week Euph...you will find no fear or trepidation in me- love casteth out fear friend. Was Paul acting in fear when he upbraided those who had sinned? or admonished those who fell into idolatry? I suspect you would cast him out of your presence today if he were here preaching to you...

TC
 
I 'postulate' that the decay is not in culture but in the church because of unsound doctrine and teaching out of corrupt text!

Perhaps the 'god of this world' has you blind to the corruption friend. 'comparing themselves by themselves' Paul said was unwise . Compare the churches today with scripture and you will see entire congregations given over to Idolatry, Fornication, Covetousness, and a host of other flesh behaviors. This is the very reason why non believers call the churches at large a bunch of hypocrites!!! Wake up...

TC

So, we are all blind spiritually but you yourself can see?
 
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