Are These Types Of Shirts Modest? (please Answer Asap Guys!)

Tink I love you-you know that-but I disagree.

Mainly because it is this kind of 'compromise' within the Body of Christ that had lead to the break-down of faith and confusion in the Church.

Think of it like this: 'oh that shirt is just a little too tight'

-or- 'I don't need to read my Bible that much'

-or- 'As long as we love each other what difference does it make what sex we marry'

Quite frankly, the older I get, the more I realize how clueless we are about the POWER and HOLINESS of the God to whom we say we serve. God's example- the Son Jesus Christ- is our model of 'perfection' to follow away from sin and towards God. I know the clothing issue (as well as music, TV , books, etc...) seem like trivial issues-but are they really? We take God's Word too lightly sometimes I think. Examine the details of perfection the Lord had for building the Tabernacle and the Temple in the Old Testament. Jesus said he came 'not to abolish-but to fulfill the law.' What does that mean to you?

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

And another thing-to save your 'body' for your husband (or wife-not just picking on the girls) which includes the visual aspect of temptation by other men-is a blessing not only to your husband, but yourself as well....

1 Timothy 2:9
 
Dirtyrottensinner said:
Tink I love you-you know that-but I disagree.

Mainly because it i this kind of 'compromise' within the Body of Christ that had lead to the break-down of faith and confusion in the Church.

Think of it like this: 'oh that shirt is just a little too tight'

-or- 'I don't need to read my Bible that much'

-or- 'As long as we love each other what difference does it make what sex we marry'

Quite frankly, the older I get, the more I realize how clueless we are about the POWER and HOLINESS of the God to whom we say we serve. God's example- the Son Jesus Christ- is our model of 'perfection' to follow away from sin and towards God. I know the clothing issue (as well as music, TV , books, etc...) seem like trivial issues-but are they really? We take God's Word too lightly sometimes I think. Examine the details of perfection the Lord had for building the Tabernacle and the Temple in the Old Testament. Jesus said he came 'not to abolish-but to fulfill the law.' What does that mean to you?

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

And another thing-to save your 'body' for your husband (or wife-not just picking on the girls) which includes the visual aspect of temptation by other men-is a blessing not only to your husband, but yourself as well....

1 Timothy 2:9
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Hi Dirty, love you too, but can you tell me which part of my post you dissagree with? I wrote a ton! Is it the shorts when I run? Curious to know :)
 
Ohh well Tink I appreciated your post. I think you gave very useful input from a woman's perspective which really is just what Kayla needed so thanks for helping her.
 
I_Survived_The_Eighties said:
So what is the name of your Chef business ? Heavens kitchen?:giggle:
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Calvin's finger food.
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Eh! Calv I have a computer question for you! I will post it in the Home and Garden section. Anyone else's input I'd greatly appreciate as well.
 
Lifeasweknowit said:
Hi Dirty, love you too, but can you tell me which part of my post you dissagree with? I wrote a ton! Is it the shorts when I run? Curious to know :)
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In short-yes I disagree to all of it.

I had not intended on going down this road on this thread-but since you asked....

Let me preface this post by saying I am not personally attacking anyone-I am just as guilty. Look at the end of your life-when you are lying on your deathbed at age 90 let's say- will you look back and see God's hand in your life, or a whole lot of selfish pride? Will you see the fruits of christian living, or the accomplishments of human pursuits that are meaningless in heaven? Where is the focus on your life: is it God or Self? We are so mixed up in our routines-we don't even know that our routines are keeping us from living the life God wants us to live. We teach our children to be selfish little turds and ply them with: 'you need an education, to be physically fit, a good job, etc, etc, etc...' We are so wrapped up in human concerns-God gets pushed out of the picture.

So when we talk about things like modest apparel-our perspective is already so skewed away from God's Word-we can't see the forest through the trees. Think of it like this: just for giggles you happened to run by the apostle Paul wearing your shorts while you were running-what do you think his reaction would be? I am thinking he would assume you work in the red light district if you know what I mean. But some 2000 years later-we find it perfectly acceptable to see mostly naked people running down the side of the road to be "physically fit". Nakedness was reserved for the bedroom-check out what the BIBLE has to say about uncovering nakedness.

So our customs and culture have (GAGGING) "evolved" to what we have today-which is a culture that is anti-God/ anti-Christ and all about ME ME ME! Just because we find it acceptable-doesn't mean God does no matter how much you reinterpret the Bible to fit the current times. God doesn't change-why do we think His Word changes to fit the "times"?

So now we have a whole bunch of people who can't get over themselves to say- 'yup; the clothes we wear today are ungodly.'

So again-like I've said before: you either believe God's Word, or you don't. You either follow God's Word or you don't. There is no grey area. There are two types of people: believers and unbelievers.

So is your 'freedom', ability and opportunity to jog half naked more important than how God feels about exposing yourself? Do you think you will not be held accountable? Do you think tight jeans, pants, skirts, etc... are any better at being modest when you show off your curves? Would you be embarrassed to have Paul, Peter, Moses or Noah to see you-how about Jesus?

Oh I can't wait for the flak I am going to get on this one....

In love, your Brother in Christ.
 
All I have to say, is that if certain parts of the Bible can be interpreted differently based on translations, commentaries, etc., that leads me to believe the entire Bible can be interpreted differently. Hence, different denominations and theologies. I won't get into that... That would lead to a very long discussion in which many people would get angry with each other, which has been happening lately. What I will say, is that God sees what is in my heart. If I cover up head to toe, a man can still look at me and think of me in a sexual manner. Sometimes there's little you can do, if anything. What I think matters is what you are going for. Am I trying to get attention? Am I trying to look sexy? If the answer is no, and I'm dressing modestly to the best of my ability without looking crazy (sorry) then I don't think anything is wrong with that. However, I do respect your opinion :)
 
Lifeasweknowit said:
All I have to say, is that if certain parts of the Bible can be interpreted differently based on translations, commentaries, etc., that leads me to believe the entire Bible can be interpreted differently. Hence, different denominations and theologies. I won't get into that... That would lead to a very long discussion in which many people would get angry with each other, which has been happening lately. What I will say, is that God sees what is in my heart. If I cover up head to toe, a man can still look at me and think of me in a sexual manner. Sometimes there's little you can do, if anything. What I think matters is what you are going for. Am I trying to get attention? Am I trying to look sexy? If the answer is no, and I'm dressing modestly to the best of my ability without looking crazy (sorry) then I don't think anything is wrong with that. However, I do respect your opinion :)
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Isn't it great that we live under a God who gives us choice? As I stated in post #8 the ultimate choice is up to the individual. :D
 
If you are wearing it over the top of a T shirt with no gaps to peek down then yes fine, on its own as in the picture, then its not modest. problem with that type is if you start lifting your arms up there is sometimes a nice gap in the armpit which shows everything off, not good if you are not wearing anything underneath.
 
Lifeasweknowit said:
Most women do wear undershirts with these tops, though I have (unfortunately) seem some that do not. They will wear a colorful bra and it's tacky. I just don't understand how parents let their little angels dress the way a lot of them do nowadays. :(

Moving forward, I definitely understand your inner turmoil in regards to wearing modest clothes. How do we as women dress modestly in this day and age? I can safety say that what others would consider modest in our generation is probably still considered quite immodest to some, and especially those from hundreds of years ago. It's tough!

Then there's school. You can dress attractive and stylish and still have boys think your mighty fine dressing modestly.

Then there's church. You should be very modest at church... Essentially, I don't think you need to wear your "Sundays Best" when you attend, but you should definitely be more aware of your attire the day you go.

I think it's safe to say, err on the side of caution when shopping for clothes. If you can, shop at thrift stores. Clothes are much cheaper and actually pretty cute.

Lastly, buy classics and stay away from fashionable items. I get compliments on my clothes often and I have had a lot of them for many years, but that's because I don't follow trends (unless they've been around for quite some time-like cowboy boots :))
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Dirty, I took out the shorts topic and some wordiness. You're saying you don't agree with any of the above?

That would mean:
You don't think it matters how parents let their children dress.
You don't think people should dress more modest at church.
You don't think it's possible to dress modestly and still be stylish at the same time.
You don't agree that shopping at a thrift store is better than the high end department stores.
You don't think that people should buy classics instead of trendy clothes.
You don't think that older generations would consider today's definition of modest, actually immodest.

So parents shouldn't be considered with what their children wear.
People should dress however they want at church.
Being modest means looking unstylish and potentially unattractive.
Shopping at a thrift stores is not a good idea. Buy expensive clothes.
Stick with the latest fashions so you have to buy new clothes every other month.
What people thought was modest 200 years ago is the same as what they would think modesty is today.

Am I correct? I just want to clarify, since you said that you "disagree to all of it".
 
One last thing Dirty, that message might come off wrong, but please don't take it that way. I am honestly trying to clarify if you completely disagree with everything I wrote, because to me, it just doesn't make sense if you do. Maybe you didn't read the whole thing? Maybe you feel I'm missing some things?...

Much love,
Tink
 
Lifeasweknowit said:
One last thing Dirty, that message might come off wrong, but please don't take it that way. I am honestly trying to clarify if you completely disagree with everything I wrote, because to me, it just doesn't make sense if you do. Maybe you didn't read the whole thing? Maybe you feel I'm missing some things?...

Much love,
Tink
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My Sister;

Look, I have stated 3-maybe 4 times in this thread, when it comes to things like modesty/ modest clothing, it is ultimately personal choice. Now there are the obvious wrong types of clothing-bikinis (male or female) being one of them. Then there is the obnoxious-not necessarily 'immodest'-like wearing flip flops to church; but it is disrespectful to the house of the Lord.

Then there is the mid cut-just a touch of cleavage blouse and the tight pencil skirt down to the ankles with every curve showing. Which to me-on a "Christian" lady is a no-go. But it has become 'acceptable' in most churches you will walk into nowadays.

When it comes to 'head coverings' the topic is well covered and debated in and out of the Bible. I believe MOST Christians agree that women should have "long" hair. But then you are forced to define "long" & "short". Is long hair to or below the shoulder? Is long hair anything that is not a buzz cut? If long is below the shoulder-then men can have hair to the shoulder. If short hair is anything less than 1 inch-then women can cut their hair to 2 inches. Why am going down this road you might ask? Hair-although increasingly less nowadays- is a pretty neutral subject. 30 years ago it wasn't that big of an issue. People used their own judgment and common sense without the need to badger one another over it. BUT this is the perfect example of 'how the LAW works'. Can you start to understand why it is said we are 'free from the law'? But are we actually 100% free from the law? My answer is NO.

So what does being free from the law actually mean? It's simple: if you fail to follow the 'law' 100% of the time-you are condemned by 1 sin no matter what it is. This is what Christ meant-SALVATION is free of the law. You can accept salvation as a sinner-in the "LAW" all you have is 'guilty' or 'not guilty'. And we are all "guilty" of at least 1 sin AND being born into a fallen sinful world. THERE IS NO SALVATION IN THE LAW; only condemnation-that is what Christ meant.

So when we talk about "modesty" which should be a trivial issue; it becomes this gigantic mountain because as each generation goes by-modesty slips more & more & more. EXAMPLE: when I was a kid-things like Maxim magazine were considered 'soft-core pornography' and behind black (non-see through) shelf dividers; today, any toddler is exposed to it in the check out line at almost any department store or gas station in the USA.

So as each generation "reinterprets" the 'law' to their liking, customs, culture and acceptability-God's Word is made of no effect through the 'law'. Do you understand?

So-if you want to follow God's "law" in the purpose and intent for which it was written-you must place it in the original context, culture, and time period. "Modesty" was not the mountain issue that it is nowadays back when Paul wrote his epistles-BUT obviously it was an issue enough to be mentioned. So we can see the deterioration of the true intent of "modesty" away from the Word of God 2000 years ago. Since then it has only gotten WORSE not better.

Think of it like this: homosexuality was not that a big of an issue-God's people knew it was an abomination and ACCEPTED that as fact. 6000 years after Moses wrote the 'Law" look how our culture has accepted and adopted homosexuality as a 'normal' lifestyle. This should help you put into perspective of why God wants His people to be separated & DIFFERENT from unbelievers....

(Trying not to sound lawyer-ish)
 
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