Are We All Resigned to His Will Be Done at the End of the Day?

[BibleLover]

Hello BibleLover;

Thank you for sharing The Collar. Do you read much of George Herbert? Along the way I have heard of Herbert but haven't read much of his poetry.

God bless you, brother.

In university, I took a course on Herbert and Donne. Herbert impressed me greatly. He was the son of the Earl of Pembroke, a graduate of Oxford who became the university's Orator, which often involved preaching sermons for King James. When he became ordained by the Church of England, his family connections with the king and the Archbishop of Canterbury could have given him his choice of parish assignments. But, before he accepted any assignment, he went into an abandoned church and prayed fervently for 36 hours seeking God’s will. He chose a poor parish in coal miner country. When he got there, the two churches in the parish were in serious disrepair. He renovated them with his own fortune. His parishioners were extremely poor, but he visited them in their homes regularly. When they were sick with the many epidemics that went around, he spent hours in personal prayer with them in their homes. After 3 years of serving the miners and their families, he contracted a fatal illness himself and died at age 40.

His most famous works are the poetry volume, The Temple, and his book of advice to pastors named The Country Parson, both of which are well worth reading. The Temple documents, in poetry, Herbert's personal Christian growth, and The Country Parson passes on the things he learned as a parish priest on how to serve and love a congregation.

You should give them a read. God bless ya'.

 

[bobinfaith]

But, before he accepted any assignment, he went into an abandoned church and prayed fervently for 36 hours seeking God’s will. He chose a poor parish in coal miner country. When he got there, the two churches in the parish were in serious disrepair. He renovated them with his own fortune. His parishioners were extremely poor, but he visited them in their homes regularly. When they were sick with the many epidemics that went around, he spent hours in personal prayer with them in their homes. After 3 years of serving the miners and their families, he contracted a fatal illness himself and died at age 40.

This is tough. Herbert was willing to serve God in an impoverished church where he perished from contacting a fatal illness. I feel this is a humble example of accepting his calling where God led him. Herbert could have lived a comfortable life writing.

Thank you, BibleLover.

 

[Lanolin]

At the end of the day, I usually go to bed and go to sleep.
In fact there are not many times when God asks me to stay up ALL night. I am thankful that I get a good night's sleep. He has given me the daylight to do all the work I need to do. When it's dark and my body is exhausted I can't work anymore.

I remember when I used to have insomnia and I would go to bed, but then wake up at like 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning and can't get back to sleep. I learned if that happened, it was time for prayer.

 

[Major]

In university, I took a course on Herbert and Donne. Herbert impressed me greatly. He was the son of the Earl of Pembroke, a graduate of Oxford who became the university's Orator, which often involved preaching sermons for King James. When he became ordained by the Church of England, his family connections with the king and the Archbishop of Canterbury could have given him his choice of parish assignments. But, before he accepted any assignment, he went into an abandoned church and prayed fervently for 36 hours seeking God’s will. He chose a poor parish in coal miner country. When he got there, the two churches in the parish were in serious disrepair. He renovated them with his own fortune. His parishioners were extremely poor, but he visited them in their homes regularly. When they were sick with the many epidemics that went around, he spent hours in personal prayer with them in their homes. After 3 years of serving the miners and their families, he contracted a fatal illness himself and died at age 40.

His most famous works are the poetry volume, The Temple, and his book of advice to pastors named The Country Parson, both of which are well worth reading. The Temple documents, in poetry, Herbert's personal Christian growth, and The Country Parson passes on the things he learned as a parish priest on how to serve and love a congregation.

You should give them a read. God bless ya'.

If I remember The Country Parson...... seems to Herbert saw Sunday as the pastor’s great “Market Day,” preaching and leading services in the morning, catechizing in the afternoon, reconciling neighbors and visiting the sick in between times. Of course he did not have to contend with football Sunday afternoon!

He also said that Worship is no rote affair: before administering Communion, the priest is to prostrate himself before the throne of grace, acknowledging his own unworthiness.

 

[Lanolin]

I was reading about gum diggers in my country. It was nearly akin to mining except it was gum from the chopped down kauri trees (which were also bled for gum) that was buried in the ground..often the poor man's gold.

The thing is it doesn't take much to dig for gum (or prospect for gold) but working conditions are dangerous. Always the risk of mines blowing up, breathing coal dust or just injury. Plus you cannot settle permanently you have to go where the mines or gum or trees are. So you'd be setting up camp wherever and conditions are primitive to say the least.

In mountainous terrain everything is just that much harder than on flat land. But the way they got the trees down was to create dams and flush them out. After the land was cleared much of it was marginal and not good for farming or anything!

So that pastoral idyll was not always going to happen ( and what happened to the crofters in Scotland was heartbreaking) . However the places nobody wants to go cos its poor and uncomfortable are the places where God is most needed.

I could be a librarian in a rich private law firm and get paid ten times as much but that is not where God wants me to go...he places me in the poorest suburb with children just learning to read and who's parents can't afford books and they often go to school hungry.

 

[Major]

In university, I took a course on Herbert and Donne. Herbert impressed me greatly. He was the son of the Earl of Pembroke, a graduate of Oxford who became the university's Orator, which often involved preaching sermons for King James. When he became ordained by the Church of England, his family connections with the king and the Archbishop of Canterbury could have given him his choice of parish assignments. But, before he accepted any assignment, he went into an abandoned church and prayed fervently for 36 hours seeking God’s will. He chose a poor parish in coal miner country. When he got there, the two churches in the parish were in serious disrepair. He renovated them with his own fortune. His parishioners were extremely poor, but he visited them in their homes regularly. When they were sick with the many epidemics that went around, he spent hours in personal prayer with them in their homes. After 3 years of serving the miners and their families, he contracted a fatal illness himself and died at age 40.

His most famous works are the poetry volume, The Temple, and his book of advice to pastors named The Country Parson, both of which are well worth reading. The Temple documents, in poetry, Herbert's personal Christian growth, and The Country Parson passes on the things he learned as a parish priest on how to serve and love a congregation.

You should give them a read. God bless ya'.

That should be required reading for ALL Pastors.....IMO.

 

[Lanolin]

Was reading a book about a lawyer trying to make partner...even lawyers start to despise their well paid jobs. But I supposing if they do it for a couple of years, save up, they could then afford to do things pro bono.

 

[New_to_town]

Sometimes I falter when faced with selfish feelings and I choose paths that i know are not the correct way to live. There are other times when I catch myself and I am stronger... I want to make the latter scenario happen more frequently. Praying does help me; I should do it more.

 

[Major]

Sometimes I falter when faced with selfish feelings and I choose paths that i know are not the correct way to live. There are other times when I catch myself and I am stronger... I want to make the latter scenario happen more frequently. Praying does help me; I should do it more.

Ephesians 6:10-13........
"Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

 

[Lanolin]

Sometimes I think it's actually harder to do things God wants you to do when you are younger.

It just seems easier to do things when you are retired. Say you made a lot of money and retired. You can use that money you made to give to others in need and also your time.
When you are working in a secular job you spend so much time making money that you don't have hardly any time to give. And christian or service jobs won't actually make enough for you to make ends meet.

I was reading a book about gardeners and some of them came to gardening late in life after they retired. But they had made sooo much money that they could spend it on just buying heaps of plants plus buying a property to garden. But when you are poor its harder to garden with lack of soil and plants and no land.

Anyway, I sometimes think of this when people want to pay me to do their garden FOR them. Which leaves me no time to do my own..and not enough to save so maybe one day I can have my own. Plus then I have nothing to show for it cos when the job ends or they run out of money the garden dies too.

I recall one prime minister got to be prime minister because he'd made a lot of money overseas. People voted for him just because he was rich and didn't have to do any other job. But then he got tired of being Prime Minisiter and resigned. I don't know what he does now, cos while he was prime minister he was actually paying other people to do his garden.

 

[Siloam]

Sometimes I think it's actually harder to do things God wants you to do when you are younger.

It just seems easier to do things when you are retired. Say you made a lot of money and retired. You can use that money you made to give to others in need and also your time.
When you are working in a secular job you spend so much time making money that you don't have hardly any time to give. And christian or service jobs won't actually make enough for you to make ends meet.

I was reading a book about gardeners and some of them came to gardening late in life after they retired. But they had made sooo much money that they could spend it on just buying heaps of plants plus buying a property to garden. But when you are poor its harder to garden with lack of soil and plants and no land.

Anyway, I sometimes think of this when people want to pay me to do their garden FOR them. Which leaves me no time to do my own..and not enough to save so maybe one day I can have my own. Plus then I have nothing to show for it cos when the job ends or they run out of money the garden dies too.

I recall one prime minister got to be prime minister because he'd made a lot of money overseas. People voted for him just because he was rich and didn't have to do any other job. But then he got tired of being Prime Minisiter and resigned. I don't know what he does now, cos while he was prime minister he was actually paying other people to do his garden.

Paul wrote:

Philippians 4:11-13 (NASB)
11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be  content in whatever circumstances I am.
12 I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need.
13 I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.

Comparisons between self and those around will always show some that have greater wealth, and some with less. Yearning to be one of the wealthy is natural but self destructive.

I think you would find that those who are generous in their later years have been generous throughout their life. Whatever one's level, their wealth should be at the call of our Lord. This does not always mean emptying accounts and giving life savings away, but ensuring that ones blessings are a blessing to those around.

And, the perceived wealth of others does not relate to their worth as individuals.

 

[Lanolin]

Paul wrote:

Philippians 4:11-13 (NASB)
11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be  content in whatever circumstances I am.
12 I know how to get along with humble means, and I also know how to live in prosperity; in any and every circumstance I have learned the secret of being filled and going hungry, both of having abundance and suffering need.
13 I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.

Comparisons between self and those around will always show some that have greater wealth, and some with less. Yearning to be one of the wealthy is natural but self destructive.

I think you would find that those who are generous in their later years have been generous throughout their life. Whatever one's level, their wealth should be at the call of our Lord. This does not always mean emptying accounts and giving life savings away, but ensuring that ones blessings are a blessing to those around.

And, the perceived wealth of others does not relate to their worth as individuals.

I think a lot of churches go round propagating this idea that being wealthy is good for God. But I did notice that the wealthy gardeners, some did opened their garden to visitors and did charitable events while others just kept it for themselves and maybe only invited others who also had means or put them in glossy magazines.

The thing with wealth though, it is not always got through honest means. I think people forget that, a lot of money is stolen or made on the backs of others. (especially vast amounts..like over and above what an ordinary person could earn and spend in a lifetime).

I think for people that are wealthy, nothing wrong with enjoying their wealth, but there is a kind of noblesse oblige to give back. Poor people ALREADY give all they have. eg. Jesus noticing the widows mite while the Pharisee just threw in some coins.

People that win lotto often say they'll buy a house, but they'll also buy their families houses and give their money away cos they know keeping it for themselves will hurt them. I think it's bad to die with heaps of money. Andrew Carnegie gave his 'robber baron' money away to build public libraries all over the world, instead of just keeping it all for himself. I think it hurt his conscience to keep it.

 

[Via dolarossa]

Dear brothers and sisters;

In our personal walk with Christ we have learned the hard way that what crosses our paths as a man or woman of God whether success, people relationships and the worst of circumstances, etc...how do we respond? Do I remember to inquire of God at that moment with what to say and do at that time and moment, or just follow our gut feeling??

1 John 5:14-15, 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

But is it fair to ask, do we really allow God to speak to us through the Scriptures? Are we really listening? Do we apply the Spirit of discernment?

This is not easy and there are many different responses that can minister to all of us. Let this be an opportunity to engage in this topic.

What are your thoughts and experiences?

God doesn’t always speak to me through scriptures. Maybe I am not reading the correct ones for the right circumstances Or maybe it’s because I am not yet spiritually discerned enough ?

I mean, is this the only way He communicates to us bob?

I do get very strong signals in my conscience if I go against some of His commandments that’s for sure.
I wouldn’t dare to squish a spider or bee I put them outside as I know I will have terrible guilt afterwards

 

[forgiven61]

Dear brothers and sisters;

In our personal walk with Christ we have learned the hard way that what crosses our paths as a man or woman of God whether success, people relationships and the worst of circumstances, etc...how do we respond? Do I remember to inquire of God at that moment with what to say and do at that time and moment, or just follow our gut feeling??

1 John 5:14-15, 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

But is it fair to ask, do we really allow God to speak to us through the Scriptures? Are we really listening? Do we apply the Spirit of discernment?

This is not easy and there are many different responses that can minister to all of us. Let this be an opportunity to engage in this topic.

What are your thoughts and experiences?

we are creatures of habit. we do what we want when we want . we all have good intentions

 

[bobinfaith]

Sometimes it's a bit of both.
I know in my experience, sometimes 'the gut feeling' is Gods way of nudging me (because I let God to be in charge of my gut! And my entire body for that matter) so if something is NOT right I don't need to question...is this wrong? It's immediate.

Hello Lanolin;

I like that. "I let God be in charge of my gut!" When this is practiced daily it becomes a good discipline.

I get it!

 

[bobinfaith]

Paul wrote:
Philippians 4:11-13 (NASB)
11 Not that I speak from want, for I have learned to be  content in whatever circumstances I am.
Comparisons between self and those around will always show some that have greater wealth, and some with less. Yearning to be one of the wealthy is natural but self destructive. I think you would find that those who are generous in their later years have been generous throughout their life. Whatever one's level, their wealth should be at the call of our Lord. This does not always mean emptying accounts and giving life savings away, but ensuring that ones blessings are a blessing to those around. And, the perceived wealth of others does not relate to their worth as individuals.

Sometimes I think it's actually harder to do things God wants you to do when you are younger. It just seems easier to do things when you are retired.

Hello Siloam;

Let's see if I can articulate this. When I was a younger Christian I wasn't content. America always put that pot of gold and mansion in my face but it required discipline and honest hard work.

That word honest was a thorn in my side so without thinking of God I cut corners to achieve my happiness, many of those cut corners was sin because I still had one foot in the world and one foot in my faith.

As I got older it wasn't easy but I know God grew me from my mistakes and matured me. It doesn't mean I'm sinless. I've learned to think once, twice, thrice before acting.

In reference to Philippians 4:11 I find myself thanking God for contentment in my life today, and became capable of being happy most of the time. I feel this comes easier doing things for God as I've gotten older.

 

[Lanolin]

I know many young people rush into relationships and marriages because they aren't content with being single. I think the world dangles temptation and flesh and all the kingdoms of this world etc in young people's faces and says 'you can have this' if you sell yourself to the devil.
There's also credit cards (there were no credit cards system before the 1950s I think) that make things easy to get that instant...but then young people don't realise it takes forever to pay it off. (plus earns interest..compound interest). And also with student loans...young people know they need a higher education but its so expensive. They are willing to go into debt to get it. Who else will pay for it if they don't have benefactors/wealthy parents/trust funds?


When you are older you gain a bit of wisdom and also the ability to say NO. You also might have chosen the harder road...say you did honest hard work instead of going to university to get that degree that may or may not guarantee a higher paying cushy job.

You might have earned less and gone through hardship but you did the best you could. The ones at university in their luxurious ivory towers (or who got rich by making underhand deals) have to tackle dilemmas such as now why aren't they putting their clever brains to work tackling poverty? Some of them decide 'I know I'll go into politics' and then promise heaps of things but fail to deliver.

 

[Musicmaster]

Dear brothers and sisters;

In our personal walk with Christ we have learned the hard way that what crosses our paths as a man or woman of God whether success, people relationships and the worst of circumstances, etc...how do we respond? Do I remember to inquire of God at that moment with what to say and do at that time and moment, or just follow our gut feeling??

1 John 5:14-15, 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

But is it fair to ask, do we really allow God to speak to us through the Scriptures? Are we really listening? Do we apply the Spirit of discernment?

This is not easy and there are many different responses that can minister to all of us. Let this be an opportunity to engage in this topic.

What are your thoughts and experiences?

Bob, this is indeed a message in due season.

Thanks, brother.

Love you all.

MM

 

[forgiven61]

1 John 5:14-15, 14 And this is the confidence that we have toward him, that if we ask anything according to his will he hears us. 15 And if we know that he hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests that we have asked of him.

But is it fair to ask, do we really allow God to speak to us through the Scriptures? Are we really listening? Do we apply the Spirit of discernment?

This is not easy and there are many different responses that can minister to all of us. Let this be an opportunity to engage in this topic.

What are your thoughts and experiences?

i truly believe 1 john 5:14-15 in fact i have no doubt.. real question is do WE fully understand how this works. everyone of us has prayed about something/someone. it not come to pass the way we asked . what is His will ? the individual sick we pray for not healed down here. i am praying for the Church i pastor to grow in numbers yes more people to attend that is his will same with healing.. but in our minds we have a hard time understanding.

my thoughts there are many things i dont understand Jeremiah 33:3

 

[D3vot3d2G0d]

Sometimes our lives are the ONLY word or testimony of God that ppl read.

I love ppl and enjoy engaging with them wherever I am.

We all want to be validated and heard, so many times it's just listening. Other times it's such an unction to share his love and peace or we'll burst. In those cases I believe the HS has gone before and pricked that heart and made it ready to receive.

Be tenderhearted when you're moved to bless for! the recompense from God is outstanding.