Are We Close To The Second Coming?

Well I agree with you up until the secular state that labels itself Israel.But I'm not going to add fuel to the fire, as I have made my opinions known elsewhere.

I think the Information Age is significant, but not prophesied about, IMO. Wars and rumours of wars have never stopped since the Cross. Weather? Hmmmm...we only just now have the technology to really audit weather; there have been summer-less Summers in the past and floods and hurricanes before but not reportable....

Some say that Jesus pointed these things out because after the Cross they intensified....That could be so, but that is over a 2000 year stretch.

I think "signs" are greatly misunderstood, and the fact that TV has docu-dramas galore about this, with questionable Bible "factoids" and pop-prophesy mixed with Nostradamus makes me for one wonder about the value of popular "Endtimes" industry's roots.
 
Thank you for the compliment, Major. Do you think there is something we as Chrisitans can do to help the world prepare?

Get out the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.

That is the ONLY thing that will make a differance !!!

We can use this WWW net such as this web site to get out the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus.

That is THE reason sites such as these are important as they now allow the gosple to go into all the world and reach the lost.

It is also why Christians should NOT be found confronting and argueing over trivial matters that lead no where. The lost who may be reading will see the agitation and say to themselves that if that is what being a Christian is all about, I do not want any part of it!
 
I don't think the world at large will ever be prepared.

Matthew 24:37-39

But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Correct!

Not one single person on the face of the earth in the days of Noah was prepared neither fif they care, until the first rain drop fell and than it was too late. Not a single person that heard Noah preach for 120 years came to the Lord except the members of his family.
 
Every generation in Church history has thought that the coming of Christ was just around the corner. In Second Thessalonians, Paul addressed the issue of some in that church who thought the Lord's Return was so close they no longer had to work and earn a living. There was a common belief in the 10th century that Jesus was coming in the year 1,000 AD. The outbreak of World War I saw a sharp increase in people believing the end of the world was approaching. But one thing is certain, we closer today than we were yesterday.

Jack.....If Spurgeon, Ironside, McHenry, Gill and those other greats had been able to see May 14, 1948, and Israel back in the land, how do you think there commentaries would have been affected?
 
I agree with you Major, that is more important now than ever, that we try to act, always as Christ teaches us, as Christians. My best times on this web site have come from your advice to me to ask the Holy Ghost for help in reading scripture as well as praying. (Duh) It never occurred to me to do that, but when I applied it, things got better. I also think that when we feel "attacked" for our positions - that we start conversations (PM) with the person doing this to get it straight (or not - there are no perfect solutions.) It is a normal, human reaction to get defensive when we feel attacked. There can be great enlightment in discussing/debating points in scripture and there will be times where no agreement can be reached. Agree to disagree and let it go - enlightenment can come from this place too.
 

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Ready or not, eh? Of course I agree. Do you think that we, as Christians, should be making ready for that day?

Yep. This warning was given to believers: not nonbelievers. The consequences is being left behind in having their portion with the unbelievers in facing the coming great tribulation.

Luke 12:39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. 40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?....45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

By His grace & by His help, this is why I am warning believers about putting the spotlight on the Holy Spirit in worship because they suffer a thief in breaking through with signs & lying wonders when they do that when they seek to receive the "Spirit" "again" after a sign. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

That is why the real indwelling Holy Spirit will always keep that spotlight on the Son in worship so that we can test the spirits in how they are leading us away from the Son and thus proving to be the spirits of the antichrist.

Antichrist as used in scripture means "instead of Christ" which is to mean "instead of the Son".

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 John 2:18-29&version=KJV

Best way to be ready is keep your eyes on the Bridegroom because that is Whom the indwelling Spirit is pointing us to in continuing to live that personal reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
 
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Wars and natural disasters have never been the chief indicator for me. When scripture says 'as in the days of Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah'' I don't visualise wars and natural disasters, rather extreme immorality. Days where the flesh was in full control. Now look at history. When did gays first come out the closet in a big way? When was gay marriage legalized in your state?

I take Matt 24:22 literally! 'No flesh will be saved' includes us, the elect! Unless He shortens these days. ie Comes sooner rather then later. If He doesn't come, how many of us will be too corrupted to be saved? How many of us are battling with porn? How many of us have started thinking GLBT'ism is fine? How many of us have started swearing like they do in movies?

Imho, the time is riper then ripe. I expect Him anyday.
 
I agree to your wars and stuff not being so indicative.

Sex immorality is only one thing....{I think Christian folks focus on what the media focuses on way too much}..Greed is quite the ogre like never in history....Insensitivity to suffering...the lies of political "leaders"...drugs....murder....tossing parents into retirement "homes"... churches of questionable value to it's members....drunkenness in public often the norm...road rage...killing in God's name...respect for "clever" thieves (see the movies)...etc etc

I think you are right....The heart matters are what are indicative.
 
I agree Rusty. Something like 'tossing parents into retirement homes' shows selfishness / flesh in full control.
 
so to me...looking for newsreel "signs" and ignoring the tragedies in one's own spiritual life and self-centredness towards others is much more a sign of the closeness of the devil's last gasp shot at destroying mankind.
 
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Wars and natural disasters have never been the chief indicator for me. When scripture says 'as in the days of Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah'' I don't visualise wars and natural disasters, rather extreme immorality. Days where the flesh was in full control. Now look at history. When did gays first come out the closet in a big way? When was gay marriage legalized in your state?

I take Matt 24:22 literally! 'No flesh will be saved' includes us, the elect! Unless He shortens these days. ie Comes sooner rather then later. If He doesn't come, how many of us will be too corrupted to be saved? How many of us are battling with porn? How many of us have started thinking GLBT'ism is fine? How many of us have started swearing like they do in movies?

Imho, the time is riper then ripe. I expect Him anyday.

King said ....
"Wars and natural disasters have never been the chief indicator for me."

Matthew 24:1-8
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.All these are the beginning of sorrows.

First thing Jesus warns about is "religious deception".
Second thing to look for is WAR and rumors of war.

Just something to think about.
 
I agree with Rusty & King that you must look, inside, for you own flaws and correcting them in any first steps of preparation. But it is Christ himself, who tells us the signs, that you are shrugging away - he does say that corruption of his truth, as the first sign - and those who will want to mislead us. Someone questioned the fact that we live in the age of information as not being a sign of the second coming but how could you have a "one world order" without instant communication. And come on - never in mankind's history shows one bad weather front after another. And we have this awful information, right away, because of the vast communication media in place. Just saying.
 
First thing Jesus warns about is "religious deception".
Second thing to look for is WAR and rumors of war.

Just something to think about.
:) Point taken. Wars will definitely increase and they surely have! Its just that where do you draw the line with wars? How many wars is enough? How big must a war be? How many rumours must you hear? Whereas, sexually immorality, where two moms can be your parents, children disrespecting parents, hearing good Christians you once respected talk immorally. Heck, hearing yourself say immoral things that you never said before.....These are things that should sicken us to the core. It should wake up and alert every end time sensor in our body...and if it doesnt :(:(
 
I agree with Rusty & King that you must look, inside, for you own flaws and correcting them in any first steps of preparation. But it is Christ himself, who tells us the signs, that you are shrugging away - he does say that corruption of his truth, as the first sign - and those who will want to mislead us. Someone questioned the fact that we live in the age of information as not being a sign of the second coming but how could you have a "one world order" without instant communication. And come on - never in mankind's history shows one bad weather front after another. And we have this awful information, right away, because of the vast communication media in place. Just saying.

I hear you Silk.

I wonder if we can find anything like in the Scriptures to speak to us.????

Oh, wait.... Daniel 12:4
"But thou O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased".

I promise you that when the Rapture takes place, those still here will be trying to find out all that they can find about what just took place. They will be seeking to gather information and "knowledge".

Rev. 1:7
"Behold, He cometh with clouds and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him".

World wide tele-communications make that prophecy a literal event waiting to happen.

And notice......the Jews are in view in the 1st chapter of the Revelation which confirms Zecheriah.

Zechariah 12:10
"And I will pour upon the house of David and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications and they look upon me whom they have pierced and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn".
 
:) Point taken. Wars will definitely increase and they surely have! Its just that where do you draw the line with wars? How many wars is enough? How big must a war be? How many rumours must you hear? Whereas, sexually immorality, where two moms can be your parents, children disrespecting parents, hearing good Christians you once respected talk immorally. Heck, hearing yourself say immoral things that you never said before.....These are things that should sicken us to the core. It should wake up and alert every end time sensor in our body...and if it doesnt :(:(

KingJ.........believe me, I totally agree with my brother on the sexual and porno thing!!!!!

BUT, when Jesus was asked, He did not speak directly about those things but instead spoke on the religious deception and Wars which is what I was referring to.

Wars have always been with us but they are going in their scope as we see that WW! and WW2 affectyed the whole world not just a specific country. Today, countries all over the globe have developed nuclear weapons, and biological weapons that can kill all of humanity which have never been possible until today...NOW.

When we understand the warning Jesus gave and compare it to the prophets like Zechariah 12, and Exekiel 38-39 and then the 2nd Seal judgment of the Revelation which is WAR, the picture comes together.

Even the 2nd Coming of Christ is referred to as the "Battle of Armageddon".

Just something to pray about and think about.

Hey, I am probably wrong and pray to God that I am!!!
 
Major Posts I hear you Silk.

I wonder if we can find anything like in the Scriptures to speak to us.????

Oh, wait....
Daniel 12:4
"But thou O Daniel, shut up the words and seal the book even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased".


Rofl.. Thanks Major. I knew I had read it in the scripture before, I just didn't know where it was. I thought it was in Revelation.
 
I agree with Rusty & King that you must look, inside, for you own flaws and correcting them in any first steps of preparation. But it is Christ himself, who tells us the signs, that you are shrugging away - he does say that corruption of his truth, as the first sign - and those who will want to mislead us. Someone questioned the fact that we live in the age of information as not being a sign of the second coming but how could you have a "one world order" without instant communication. And come on - never in mankind's history shows one bad weather front after another. And we have this awful information, right away, because of the vast communication media in place. Just saying.

You are spot on Silk. And may I say to you that it is really NOT US that has to look inside and fix ourselves.

I believe it is the act of asking the Holy Spirit to come and live in our hearts that is the first step in anything.

We you see are all sinners, dead and seperated from a holy God.

Romans 3:23.....
"All have sinned and come short of the approval of God".

Ephesians 2:1
"And you hath he saved who wwere DEAD in trespasses and sins".
To be cleaned up, or fixed or whatever we want to call it, we must have the help and direction of God in us which is the hope of glory because on our own...............
we are a mess!!!!!!

Galatians 6:3
"For if a man think himself to be something ....when he is nothing, he deceives himself".

We must have Christ in us to be able to change because we simply can not do it by ourselves!
 
:) Point taken. Wars will definitely increase and they surely have! Its just that where do you draw the line with wars? How many wars is enough? How big must a war be? How many rumours must you hear? Whereas, sexually immorality, where two moms can be your parents, children disrespecting parents, hearing good Christians you once respected talk immorally. Heck, hearing yourself say immoral things that you never said before.....These are things that should sicken us to the core. It should wake up and alert every end time sensor in our body...and if it doesnt :(:(

God love ya and bless my brother!
 
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