I always assumed Mathias was there from the beginning -- a hanger on, so to speak -- so he probably did.
Being Protestant
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I came from the Catholic Church and now attend a Baptist church. Never have I labelled myself Protestant. I am a follower of Jesus. The term is outdated and infers Protestant as opposed to Catholic as most of you have stated.
Why stop with the Catholic church? Why not include Mormons Jehovah Witnesses etc etc ?
I am in no way decrying the term 'Protestant' at the time of the reformation, but to label myself as one now in
to be honest mankind loves labels. in the Bible there is only 2 kind of people Lost or saved .. you either are or are not .i will share this again a old time preacher man once said your name tag will either fall off going up. or burn off going down. my screen name says it all forgiven
Hi vision1 ... I know I said I was finished with my comments.. .but since I am the one who started the thread in the first place...
allow me to say WELCOME back.
I think in one of my first posts... I chose to declare that I call myself protestant for the sole purpose of REMOVING myself from the Catholic Church. In reality... I do not consider myself or dwell upon the title. I too am a follower of JESUS. I don't think in labels... I use them when talking to others for the sake of clarification.
Easy answer my friend.
Mormons and JW'S are NOT Christian denominations so they are not included in my thinking and comments.
You are correct in that the word "Protestant" simply is a way to distinguish/separate itself from the false teachings of the Catholic church.
Me too. The only thing we know for certain is that he had been a follower of Jesus from the beginning, witnessed Jesus’ ministry, saw His resurrection, and was present with the other believers following Jesus’ ascension.
No sister I have not had any bad experiences with churches. I did however as part of the Florida Baptist Convention's Committee on cults and Practices have the opportunity to a lot of investigative work into what has happened to the church.Edit.... I should have waited till morning to reply to this... as I am very tired after my work day...
Major.... sorry for any confusion. I copied and pasted your words so that I could simply reply underneath some of your comments.... Your words are normal font and mine are bold. Love you my brother... my love offering went out in the post this morning.
I certainly have NO desire or need to challenge anyone's style of worship. However there are some questions that need to be asked.....
1. Is it possible that the contemporary praise and worship experience is used to manipulate the consciousness of those involve?
Possibly... but then that is NOT true Worship and that church is NOT experiencing PRAISE and ADORATION to GOD. TRUE WORSHIP is COMPLETE PRAISE and ADORATION to GOD... It is NOT supplication... it is NOT PRAYER... it is the ACT of giving complete GLORY to GOD.
2. Is the contemporary praise style using music to generate an emotional response in the church crowd?
Music has words... again... I do not understand your response of "generating emotional response to the church crowd.
Corporate Worship is ORDERLY... it gives the participant space to either lift their hands or kneel... some might sway to and fro...
( I don't really peek at what others are doing ).... but it is NOT what is being lumped as the PENTECOSTAL experience ( for lack of a better term ). There is no falling over... no shouting.... no BARKING like a dog... people are NOT falling over.... or shouting in tongues.
THAT is NOT WORSHIP.
3. Does heavy emotional moments through contemporary music event seem to lead to asking for more giving?
GOOD GRIEF... Major... you must have had some bad experiences.
All I am pointing is that when a person sings contemporary praise worship songs for 25–45 minutes during the “praise and worship” portion of a service, there is a certain amount of dopamine is released creating a mild sensation of euphoria.
I've done it for 1.5 hours... HAHA... and I could not get enough. It has nothing to do with me... or how I am FEELING... it has EVERYTHING to do with PRAISING GOD. NOT asking for a THING... not asking for healing... not asking for a miracle... NOTHING.... simply going to the THRONE ROOM with ADORATION for GOD ALMIGHTY.
Now, before rejecting all of this out of hand, I would like to consider that Contemporary Praise and Worship has in fact produced
four features which distinguish it from all that went before it during 1,900 years of church history, namely:....................................
ONLY 4??????? grinning at you.
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1. New Actions:.................... singing in tongues, dancing in the spirit, clapping and hand waving.
2. New Appointments: ..........‘worship leaders’, ‘worship teams’, ‘worship bands’ and ‘worship pastors’.
3. New Arrangements:........ choruses containing a different style of composition and content than that known to previous generations.
4. New Accompaniments.... a strong emphasis on music of all types including rock, jazz, pop, rap.
I don't know what to say about the offence of 4 new features.
Worship leaders, worship teams are people within the church that have a musical gift... The teams are built so that the SAME person does not have to lead Worship every single Sunday. There is no such thing as a Worship pastor.
Are we not called to share our talents with the body? I have nothing against people singing from hymnals ... but to me ... that is simply singing a hymn.... and is separate from Worship. That is my belief.
There is no sin in listening to someone who can play the keyboard or guitar or violin.. or harp... and actually sound good. People pay money to go to symphonies at theatres.... and that is NOT a bad thing.
Anywhoo.... those are my little opinions... and I don't have any problem with those who like old-style church services.... but TRUE WORSHIP is something that is absolutely WONDERFUL.
I can't wait to meet King David and WORSHIP with HIM.
Part of that was to understand what "Contemporary Praise and Worship" music did to change to worship experience in SBC churches.
The simple answer is that SBC churches adopted the Charismatic Pentecostal style of praise and worship so as to "compete" with the emotional experiences generated by the Pentecostal style.
It appears that I have not been clear in my comments, so allow me now to say that I have nothing against concerts, including Christian concerts. And I think it’s good for musicians to help lead local congregations in singing songs of praise to God.
I do have a big problem, however, with treating local church worship like it’s a concert. The house band plays high beat rythmatic background, the stage lights are up. the people are standing and the musicians on the stage are amplified so loudly they almost completely drown out the congregation. My point is that The focus no longer is on the congregation’s singing together, but on the musicians’ performance and how we as people in the audience "FEEL"!
THAT is NOT worship of God but is nothing more than a performance.
You said.......
"There is no sin in listening to someone who can play the keyboard or guitar or violin.. or harp... and actually sound good. People pay money to go to symphonies at theatres.... and that is NOT a bad thing. "
Absolutely true and I did not suggest anything different.