Bible Verse Sharing and Thoughts

[Musicmaster]

Yes. The 1st Resurrection is actually a "Phased" event of (5) seperate resurrections which are........

(1) Jesus rose from the dead and took the Old Testament saints to Heaven at His ascension.
Psalms 68:18KJV, Ephesians 4:8KJV
(2) The Holy Spirit and the church age saints are caught up to heaven before the antichrist Is given power in the Christian nations.
2Thessalonians 2:3-12KJV, and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17KJV also see John16:7-8KJV
(3)The mid tribulation catching up will include the two witnesses Revelation11:3,7-14KJV, the 144,000 sealed Jews from Revelation chapter 7KJV who where redeemed from the earth. See Revelation 14:1-4KJV, and the redeemed dead saints from the first half of the Tribulation. See Revelation 15:1-4KJV
(4) The dead saints from the last half of the tribulation are redeemed from the earth after the tribulation.
Revelation 20:4KJV
(5) The dead saints from the Kingdom age will be judged at the great white throne judgment along with the second resurrection sinners.
Revelation 20:11-15KJV

Would it be reasonable to also say that the living saints at the end of the Kingdom Age are also raptured as a part of the "first resurrection" as will be the living members of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation? Just wondering about your thoughts on that.

Thank you for your input.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Psalms 91
14 Because he hath set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known My name.

15 He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

What awesome promises! When we love and follow our Shepherd closely, He will set us on high and protect us.. Our Father desires our love and devotion, and when we call on Him, He will always answer us, but always according to His will. We can count on it; after all, it’s a promise!
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I have always loved the words of Psalm 91. So many are fixated on politics and news media propaganda, and here we have the promises inspired by the Most High to usward who love Him. Oh, His Majesty on high is praised, and we worship Him.

MM

 

[Nazarene Servant]

Would it be reasonable to also say that the living saints at the end of the Kingdom Age are also raptured as a part of the "first resurrection" as will be the living members of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation? Just wondering about your thoughts on that.

Thank you for your input.

MM

While I have appreciated your thoughts, conversation pieces, and evoking discussion you seem to fringe the line on some of the forum rules. I would just remind people to avoid rule infringement as there are enough disputes which arise from the things we are allowed to discuss without going into known disagreement territory.

I agree, there will be a Rapture and that Jesus was the first resurrection, He took the saints resting, and assured those that were concerned they missed the calling up that there was another to come where those who are alive and remain will be called out.

***I will not be discussing anything further pertaining to this piece.

 

[Major]

Would it be reasonable to also say that the living saints at the end of the Kingdom Age are also raptured as a part of the "first resurrection" as will be the living members of the Church at the beginning of the Tribulation? Just wondering about your thoughts on that.

Thank you for your input.

MM

In my opinion...NO.

The 2nd Resurrection takes place at the end of the 1000 tear rule of Christ. By virtue of its name of 2nd, we know that the 1st Resurrection has been completed and apparently all the unbelieving dead of all ages will be the ones in view for the 2nd Resurrection.

Jesus Christ will raise them from the dead after the Millennium, the thousand-year reign of Christ (Revelation 20:5). This is the resurrection described by Daniel as an awakening “from the dust of the ground ... to disgrace and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2). It is described by Jesus as a “resurrection of judgment” and it is referred to as the "Great White Throne Judgment".

Thanks for asking and I hope I have helped your understanding. Do not fear the Book of the Revelation. God gave it to us for a reason just as He gave us the book of John and Hebrews and all the others.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Hello I am new here. If i would, I would like to share my fav bible chapter. Thank you.

Proverbs 4

4 Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding.

2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

3 For I was my father's son, tender and only beloved in the sight of my mother.

4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.

5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.

6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.

7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.

9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

10 Hear, O my son, and receive my sayings; and the years of thy life shall be many.

11 I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths.

12 When thou goest, thy steps shall not be straitened; and when thou runnest, thou shalt not stumble.

13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.

14 Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men.

15 Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.

16 For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall.

17 For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence.

18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

20 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.

21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.

22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

24 Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

25 Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids look straight before thee.

26 Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established.

27 Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil.

 

[bobinfaith]

Hello I am new here. If i would, I would like to share my fav bible chapter. Thank you.

Proverbs 4

4 Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding.

2 For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.

3 For I was my father's son, tender and only beloved in the sight of my mother.

4 He taught me also, and said unto me, Let thine heart retain my words: keep my commandments, and live.

5 Get wisdom, get understanding: forget it not; neither decline from the words of my mouth.

6 Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee: love her, and she shall keep thee.

7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.

8 Exalt her, and she shall promote thee: she shall bring thee to honour, when thou dost embrace her.

9 She shall give to thine head an ornament of grace: a crown of glory shall she deliver to thee.

10 Hear, O my son, and receive my sayings; and the years of thy life shall be many.

11 I have taught thee in the way of wisdom; I have led thee in right paths.

12 When thou goest, thy steps shall not be straitened; and when thou runnest, thou shalt not stumble.

13 Take fast hold of instruction; let her not go: keep her; for she is thy life.

14 Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men.

15 Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away.

16 For they sleep not, except they have done mischief; and their sleep is taken away, unless they cause some to fall.

17 For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence.

18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

19 The way of the wicked is as darkness: they know not at what they stumble.

20 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.

21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.

22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

24 Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.

25 Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids look straight before thee.

26 Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established.

27 Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil.

Hello Yacubs777;

Thank you for sharing Proverbs 4. When God creates His child, he entrusts parents to be the steward of the children they are raising. This proverb is not a one time fix but to be received as a lifetime process. In other words, a parent will always be concerned about their children even after they reach adulthood.

Solomon honored his father David and in verse 4 refers to the instruction of a father. David cultivated his son's heart by communicating the importance of his instruction.

God bless you, Yacubs777, and your family.

 

[Yahcubs777]

Hello Yacubs777;

Thank you for sharing Proverbs 4. When God creates His child, he entrusts parents to be the steward of the children they are raising. This proverb is not a one time fix but to be received as a lifetime process. In other words, a parent will always be concerned about their children even after they reach adulthood.

Solomon honored his father David and in verse 4 refers to the instruction of a father. David cultivated his son's heart by communicating the importance of his instruction.

God bless you, Yacubs777, and your family.

Thank you, God Bless to you and your family.

But I have a question. It is written:

Proverbs:22:6

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

We saw that Solomon departed from it when he got old. What does this mean?

 

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[Nazarene Servant]

Thank you, God Bless to you and your family.

But I have a question. It is written:

Proverbs:22:6

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

We saw that Solomon departed from it when he got old. What does this mean?

Excellent observation. Solomon simply forgot to follow the wisdom of
his own words. He forgot to remember the cautions he knew and
didn't apply them. He did know that the woman of his affection
was alluring and that he wanted her and her pagan religion more.

We all do it. The one who builds his house on the rock is the one who
knows the Word and does it - every day. We must be doers because
knowledge is easy and available to anyone. This evidence doesn't make
Solomon a liar, it makes him an example of who we are by nature.

No matter how much we know about God and His wisdom we just can't
do it.

 

[Garee]

And sometimes......Pigs are just Pigs!

Why add nonsense to common sense to make no sense???

Yes and stones are stones. Common sense or biblcal sense. . the gospel ?

Thats a odd request? Why ignore the mysteries revealed in parables they make biblical sense. Why look to the temoral for the unsen eternal? They must be mixed .How else could we hear the unsen understanding as it is written ?

it would seem we are given a presciption below . . how to mix faith....rightly dividng the parables or hidden manna .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Musicmaster]

While I have appreciated your thoughts, conversation pieces, and evoking discussion you seem to fringe the line on some of the forum rules. I would just remind people to avoid rule infringement as there are enough disputes which arise from the things we are allowed to discuss without going into known disagreement territory.

I agree, there will be a Rapture and that Jesus was the first resurrection, He took the saints resting, and assured those that were concerned they missed the calling up that there was another to come where those who are alive and remain will be called out.

***I will not be discussing anything further pertaining to this piece.

A moderator has already issued a warning, given some of the content, to ensure it doesn't get to the point of bickering and flaming. I see no reason for any such contentions to begin. Most doctrinal discussions are peripheral, and therefore don't merit argument because what one believes about them doesn't touch upon salvation nor identifying the true Lord and God of our salvation.

So, I agree that things should remain civil and loving, especially upon things that don't touch upon the central tenets of the faith.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

In my opinion...NO.

The 2nd Resurrection takes place at the end of the 1000 tear rule of Christ. By virtue of its name of 2nd, we know that the 1st Resurrection has been completed and apparently all the unbelieving dead of all ages will be the ones in view for the 2nd Resurrection.

Jesus Christ will raise them from the dead after the Millennium, the thousand-year reign of Christ (Revelation 20:5). This is the resurrection described by Daniel as an awakening “from the dust of the ground ... to disgrace and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2). It is described by Jesus as a “resurrection of judgment” and it is referred to as the "Great White Throne Judgment".

Thanks for asking and I hope I have helped your understanding. Do not fear the Book of the Revelation. God gave it to us for a reason just as He gave us the book of John and Hebrews and all the others.

Actually, I agree with you. I was referring to the surviving saints who had not taken the mark nor worshipped the image of the beast throughout the Tribulation. I don't think they are raptured, but rather continue on into the Millennium, along with the surviving, Messianic Jews, to repopulate the restored earth.

What's astounding is the there will still be so many who live in such an environment, and still harbor enough hatred for Christ that many will stand with Satan in the last rebellion against Christ in Jerusalem. His rule with that "iron rod" will likely be one of the main contention points they hate. Imagine, if you will, all these years those people who claimed, "Well, if God is so loving, why does He allow so much rape and murder and other crimes?" Well, when He does create an earthly rule where such things are not allowed, they will still hate Him. This proves that nobody, not even God Himself, can please all men. That's the sin nature. It is not pleased with anything but more sin and sinful indulgences of selfishness. That brings closer to our understanding why they are cast into the lake of fire. I mean, it staggers the imagination what a wasted exercise it is to try and reason with them. Nothing said could ever really satisfy their objections.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Thank you, God Bless to you and your family.

But I have a question. It is written:

Proverbs:22:6

6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

We saw that Solomon departed from it when he got old. What does this mean?

I've heard some say that Solomon was drawn away by his many wives and concubines, as if that alone was the cause.

May I suggest another cause that I have seen in the lives of ministers with just one wife (some of whom divorced and remarried)?

There are men out there who ministered powerfully throughout their years until the latter parts of their lives. It seems as though they went soft in the head. For example, Jack van Impe was adamantly against the pagan elements of roman catholic teachings until his latter years when I heard him say something to the effect of, "I have read every major catholic work in print, and I can't see anything wrong with it." That floored me. Now, I'm not wanting to offend roman catholics for I have a number of roman catholic friends who do not believe in those influences within the catechism teachings, but remain in that religion to influence other catholics to Christ alone as their savior.

There are a number of other great, prominent men who have likewise fallen headlong into the darkness of universalistic acceptance of all manner of false teachings that stab at the core of who Jesus is as the only way to the Father, and other attacks against the core values and foundational definitions of who God is and is not.

Just my 1/2 cent worth.

MM

 

[Musicmaster]

Wow, if this keeps up, this thread could become weeks and weeks worth of Bible studies to make it more worthwhile than all the gold that could fit into Ft. Knox.

MM

 

[Nazarene Servant]

I've heard some say that Solomon was drawn away by his many wives and concubines, as if that alone was the cause.

May I suggest another cause that I have seen in the lives of ministers with just one wife (some of whom divorced and remarried)?

There are men out there who ministered powerfully throughout their years until the latter parts of their lives. It seems as though they went soft in the head. For example, Jack van Impe was adamantly against the pagan elements of roman catholic teachings until his latter years when I heard him say something to the effect of, "I have read every major catholic work in print, and I can't see anything wrong with it." That floored me. Now, I'm not wanting to offend roman catholics for I have a number of roman catholic friends who do not believe in those influences within the catechism teachings, but remain in that religion to influence other catholics to Christ alone as their savior.

There are a number of other great, prominent men who have likewise fallen headlong into the darkness of universalistic acceptance of all manner of false teachings that stab at the core of who Jesus is as the only way to the Father, and other attacks against the core values and foundational definitions of who God is and is not.

Just my 1/2 cent worth.

MM

Further proof that "all we like sheep have gone astray" (Isaiah 53:6). No matter our level of wisdom or knowledge we are all susceptible to sinfulness.
Have you ever heard the saying, 'your hate becomes you'? Although it isn't Scripture it does hold an element of truth as we generally cycle around to various experiences which provide a greater understanding that all of what we used to validate our hatred of sin and love of righteousness we are not the providers of that righteousness. Humility is learned in life and endless reading is wearying (Ecclesiastes 12:12).

 

[Major]

Actually, I agree with you. I was referring to the surviving saints who had not taken the mark nor worshipped the image of the beast throughout the Tribulation. I don't think they are raptured, but rather continue on into the Millennium, along with the surviving, Messianic Jews, to repopulate the restored earth.

What's astounding is the there will still be so many who live in such an environment, and still harbor enough hatred for Christ that many will stand with Satan in the last rebellion against Christ in Jerusalem. His rule with that "iron rod" will likely be one of the main contention points they hate. Imagine, if you will, all these years those people who claimed, "Well, if God is so loving, why does He allow so much rape and murder and other crimes?" Well, when He does create an earthly rule where such things are not allowed, they will still hate Him. This proves that nobody, not even God Himself, can please all men. That's the sin nature. It is not pleased with anything but more sin and sinful indulgences of selfishness. That brings closer to our understanding why they are cast into the lake of fire. I mean, it staggers the imagination what a wasted exercise it is to try and reason with them. Nothing said could ever really satisfy their objections.

MM

You are correct. There will be many believers who live through the Tribulation peroid and they will enter the 1000 years rule as humans and will have children.

Remember, that Satan will be bound for 1000 years....approx. Then toward the end of the 1000 years he will be loosened. It is then that the world when tempted once again follows Satan to attack God.

Some will ask WHY is Satan loosened. It is so that ALL humans will have been tempted to see that when they are tempted, will they stand got God or fall to Satan.

The children born during the 1000 years rule have to be faced with temptation then just as we are today. Of course may will fail and YES, the lake of Fire awaits them.

Good point. Thanks for the comments and question!

 

[Major]

Further proof that "all we like sheep have gone astray" (Isaiah 53:6). No matter our level of wisdom or knowledge we are all susceptible to sinfulness.
Have you ever heard the saying, 'your hate becomes you'? Although it isn't Scripture it does hold an element of truth as we generally cycle around to various experiences which provide a greater understanding that all of what we used to validate our hatred of sin and love of righteousness we are not the providers of that righteousness. Humility is learned in life and endless reading is wearying (Ecclesiastes 12:12).

I think that is also demonstrates that the "sin nature" never goes away even in perfect times. Once tempted, the sin nature does what is nature for it to do....sin.

 

[Musicmaster]

You are correct. There will be many believers who live through the Tribulation peroid and they will enter the 1000 years rule as humans and will have children.

Remember, that Satan will be bound for 1000 years....approx. Then toward the end of the 1000 years he will be loosened. It is then that the world when tempted once again follows Satan to attack God.

Some will ask WHY is Satan loosened. It is so that ALL humans will have been tempted to see that when they are tempted, will they stand got God or fall to Satan.

The children born during the 1000 years rule have to be faced with temptation then just as we are today. Of course may will fail and YES, the lake of Fire awaits them.

Good point. Thanks for the comments and question!

I heard a minister some days ago talking about the Tribulation, and how what is written, that horrid time will drive the lukewarm into making a choice for eternity, and so many will die as a result. He talked about envisioning Jesus standing there, arms held out wide open, and a countless number going to Him, even to the point of death in this life. It is so hard to envision, that so many will come to Jesus in those days, and how in the Millennium, so many will go to their destruction when they come up against the encampment of the saints and of Christ Jesus. Perhaps the reception Jesus had among His chosen people throughout Israel, and how most of the Jewish race rejected Him, that will once again play itself out in the Millennium, except that in that time it will be the Gentile nations who try to go up against the Lord and Jerusalem, and be wiped out by fire brought down from Heaven.

It's agonizing sometimes to think of such hatred. Yet, in the midst of it all stand the redeemed of the Lord, who will then take them all up with Him, wipe out this universe, and create all things new. My tears of longing, when I think upon all this, speak of my heart wanting to be there right now, to experience all that the Lord has for us.

(I need to buy more tissues for those moments in my meditations.) Praise the Lord always, who alone is worthy of all our love, devotion and worship...

MM

 

[Twinkling Of An Eye]

Ephesians 6:10-13

10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

I believe that the latter days will not be a physical battle, but will be one of spiritual warfare, a fight for the souls of men. That is why we are instructed to put on the gospel armor, the "whole armor of God.” The famine of the end times is for hearing the Word of God.

 

[crossnote]

I know Romans 7 have many adherents claiming it is speaking of Paul's experience before becoming a Christian and quite a number believing it is his experience as a Christian.
I would have to agree with Martyn Lloyd Jones that Paul's purpose of Rom 7 is to show the failure of the law whether it's in justification (before coming to the Lord) or in sanctification (while knowing the Lord).