By His stripes we are healed

[LysanderShapiro]

You said you knew the scriptures... so, calm down, and he's your answer:

James 5:14-15 (KJV)

Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.​

This is actually the passage where we find recognition of the sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick. (Catechism paragraph 1510).

Prayer for the sick is extended out to everyone, whether they are of faith or not. However, this specific sacrament (not just praying for the sick, but the performance of this specific one), there are circumstances where it can be applied toward those not of faith, but it really does depend -- otherwise it really is only received for the faithful.

I'm sure there are disagreements on this one. At the very least, note that I didn't say prayer for wellness for the none-faithful isn't to happen -- we are always supposed to pray for this, provided it is God's will they get well.

 

[Euphemia]

Not so. I gave you Bible examples of God will which can in fact be Sickness and disease.

Acts 5:9-10 tell the same truth.

God is our perfect Father, and His will is NEVER to inflict His children with sickness and disease. Disease is from our fallenness and part of Satan's plan against us.

If God's will is that you be sick at any time, why do you thwart His will and go to a doctor?

 

[Euphemia]

Not so. I am one who is entrenched and committed in the Word of God and not denominational teachings.

That's me. so, why don;t you believe in God's provision of healing because He says He is our Healer? why do you deny God when He says it is by His stripes we have been healed already?

You can repeat your opinions all you want, but there is no biblical support for the Atonement to include PHYSICAL healing, rather, Christ's sacrifice was to be a complete flesh and blood sacrifice in order to reconcile us to God, the flesh and blood are only separated to impress upon us that the sacrifice was complete - nothing held back. That is the biblical position and the problem is spiritual - not physical. Yet it is insisted by a few, and it seems by you is that 'by His stripes you were healed' refers to physical healing from every sickness here and now...if we have enough faith. But this is not what the Scripture is saying.

The context is spiritual healing throughout Isaiah. The Hebrews often spoke in this way. The Hebrew word which is translated 'healing' had a holistic approach, referring to the whole person, but in most cases where it is used in the Old Testament, it is referring to emotional, mental and spiritual healing. I encourage you to check out the following Scriptures; Isaiah 6:10 and Jeremiah 30:12-17. In Jeremiah 30, when talking of the suffering which had come upon Israel because of their rejection of their Maker, words such as 'wound,' 'sore,' 'pain' and 'cure' are used, but in verse 17 the Lord says:
"But I will restore you to health and heal your wounds, declares the Lord, because you are called an outcast, Zion for whom no-one cares.".
Nobody doubts for one moment that Isaiah is not referring to physical illnesses here.

Your entire theology is based on denominational teaching and opinion. It's origin is in taught unbelief.

 

[Euphemia]

The answer given by Euphemia concerning the acts of God where He brought disease,illness and or death to people in the Old Test. was because that was God dealing with people under the Old Covenant.

I just asked then how do we explain what God did in Acts concerning Anninias and Sepheria. That was a New Test. event and God killed them because they did not tithe. The point is that God in fact brought death to them.

Ananias and Sapphira tithed! They were JUDGED instantly for lying to the Holy Spirit.

God never promises that we will never get sick. Walking with Him closely does bring us a measure of good health, nonetheless, and He does promise us that healing is ours.

 

[Peter Luke]

In my opinion, repentance heals from spirit to mind to body. How far or deep the healing goes is dependent on God's given Grace.
Personally, I have found that bodily adversity has provided me with extra motivation to seek closeness and communion with Christ/God.
In this way, my spirit/soul has always benefited regardless if my body has or not.
Out of gratitude, for the communion, I fall in love with the Love that loves me. I then become fearless and realize that my body is now being used properly.
My primary bodily purpose is to express God's Love, from the spirit within, through the body, into this realm.
The body, regardless of organic health, can still express unconditional love.

 

[Major]

Ananias and Sapphira tithed! They were JUDGED instantly for lying to the Holy Spirit.

God never promises that we will never get sick. Walking with Him closely does bring us a measure of good health, nonetheless, and He does promise us that healing is ours.

YES I know that my sister! Your original comment was that God does not cause or bring such things. I was trying to show you that He does indeed judge and bring such things upon believers!!!

 

[CCW95A]

I just can not believe why anyone would "fight" to keep their "sickness"!!! Is is so simple to just believe what the Word of God says, instead of making all kinds of excuses why not to believe!!!

Isa 53:3.. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4.. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5.. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

1Pe 2:24.. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Mat 8:16.. When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Were is the problem here? Did Jesus fulfill what was spoken in the Old Testament? By doing what? Casting out the Devil and healing ALL that were SICK!!!!

 

[Euphemia]

YES I know that my sister! Your original comment was that God does not cause or bring such things. I was trying to show you that He does indeed judge and bring such things upon believers!!!

No, He doesn't judge us today, nor does He inflict disease upon His children. That is Satan's domain. Saying it is God's way is a lie of the devil.

 

[Major]

That's me. so, why don;t you believe in God's provision of healing because He says He is our Healer? why do you deny God when He says it is by His stripes we have been healed already?



Your entire theology is based on denominational teaching and opinion. It's origin is in taught unbelief.

I will not argue with you my sister. You know very well which one of us is talking denominational information and who is not.
There is NO physical atonement in Isaiah 53...NONE! If you want to believe that there is that is fine with me but anyone and everyone can read those verse and see that Isaiah is talking about SPIRITUAL healing.

Now can God heal??? Absolutely! Does God heal??? Absolutely!!!

Can a man claim to be a faith healer??? Absolutely! Does that mean he do that???? NO!

That is my story and I am sticking with it. That does not mean we can not be friends and love one another because I hold no animosity toward anyone who does not believe as I do.

 

[Euphemia]

I just can not believe why anyone would "fight" to keep their "sickness"!!! Is is so simple to just believe what the Word of God says, instead of making all kinds of excuses why not to believe!!!

Isa 53:3.. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Isa 53:4.. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:5.. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

1Pe 2:24.. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Mat 8:16.. When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
Mat 8:17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Were is the problem here? Did Jesus fulfill what was spoken in the Old Testament? By doing what? Casting out the Devil and healing ALL that were SICK!!!!

 

[Euphemia]

I will not argue with you my sister. You know very well which one of us is talking denominational information and who is not.
There is NO physical atonement in Isaiah 53...NONE! If you want to believe that there is that is fine with me but anyone and everyone can read those verse and see that Isaiah is talking about SPIRITUAL healing.

Now can God heal??? Absolutely! Does God heal??? Absolutely!!!

Can a man claim to be a faith healer??? Absolutely! Does that mean he do that???? NO!

That is my story and I am sticking with it. That does not mean we can not be friends and love one another because I hold no animosity toward anyone who does not believe as I do.

Yes, you are a denominational person. I am not.

We have it within our born again, pure and holy spirits to effect our own healing, as God's promise to us.

 

[Major]

No, He doesn't judge us today, nor does He inflict disease upon His children. That is Satan's domain. Saying it is God's way is a lie of the devil.

Well then you better come up with another explination for those verses in Acts 5 because the Word says that it was the Holy Spirit.

 

[Major]

Yes, you are a denominational person. I am not.

We have it within our born again, pure and holy spirits to effect our own healing, as God's promise to us.

God love you sister and I do as well. I am just not going to argue with you. YOU WIN! You may have the last word.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

The scripture you used a piece of.

 

[Euphemia]

Well then you better come up with another explination for those verses in Acts 5 because the Word says that it was the Holy Spirit.

We all know that God struck them dead, but that is not something He does today. Judgment will come but not instantly as it did for them. That was a major teaching point for the early church and a warning to us. It has NOTHING to do with God's gracious provision of our healing inherent in the atonement.

God isn't schizoid. He doesn't heal people and then rob others of health. No, that is Satan's job to steal from us. It is so important for Christians to get to know the Father and His nature, which does not include infecting us with disease, which is one of the most foul false doctrines that many Christians are fed.

God is all about life, health, strength and abundance for His children. Claiming He is the author of sickness and death is just vile.

 

[Major]

Ok, we have no evidence they were even Christians. They did what the others did (mob mentality) and then cheated. Sinning removes the hedge of protection - protocol. If they had told the truth, they would have kept their money and their lives. But they lied. I do not believe they were Christians, because of the word usage "a certain man", but again, that's just my opinion. Also Satan was in his heart, Act 5:3.

And I can not argue with that explanation at all. In fact that is what I would have said.

However, if we want to equally fair in context we see that actually the story begins at the end of chapter 4 with the description of the early church in Jerusalem, a group of believers so filled with the Holy Spirit that they were of one heart and one mind. Great power and grace were on the apostles, who preached and testified of the risen Savior. So knit together were the hearts of the people that they held all their possessions loosely and willingly shared them with one another, not because they were coerced but because they loved one another. It seems that they were a part of that local church which would indicate that they were in fact believers.

Yes it does not prove that they were, but it seems that there is as much weight that they were as there is that they were not or else why would they be a part of the church sharing and living as a group?

Could they have been Christians and lied? Does that happen today????
Could they have been Christians and not tithed their income? Does that happen today?????

 

[Major]

It sounds like you're going through some hard times and your blaming God for it. You really need to get on your knees and pray about whatever it is. Because Satan is going around attacking who ever he can to turn them away from God. Being a believer doesn't guarantee you won't go through any hardships. Holdfast to God. He will never hurt one of His own. Satan is a liar.

Thank you for your concern. I am sure that you mean well. But when we hear something different from what we thin it is always the time to get personal with the one we do not accept truth from.

Blessings to you my sister.

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

I will not argue with you my sister. You know very well which one of us is talking denominational information and who is not.
There is NO physical atonement in Isaiah 53...NONE! If you want to believe that there is that is fine with me but anyone and everyone can read those verse and see that Isaiah is talking about SPIRITUAL healing.

Now can God heal??? Absolutely! Does God heal??? Absolutely!!!

Can a man claim to be a faith healer??? Absolutely! Does that mean he do that???? NO!

That is my story and I am sticking with it. That does not mean we can not be friends and love one another because I hold no animosity toward anyone who does not believe as I do.

Hello Major
May I ask of you to show me how and why this is a spiritual healing plese. I hope this working right. Using. Smll phone is trippy. Thank God for my tablet at home !
Blessings Brother
Jim sitten at target watchen it rain. Lol

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

Whoa brother! I am not upset in any way whatsoever and why would you think I was? and I NEVER said I know the Scriptures. I have always said and do so again that I am nothing more than ole country boy.

Thanks for the Scripture! And that is the one I would have used as well.

Now my question relate to your comment in #120......"No, a kid has to believe for the healing."

How does the passage in James relate to that comment?

Country Boy....Yea but old ? I do not believe that. I do have a question for you. Do you know how to punish a country boy the worse?? Move him to the city and take away his truck and boat and dog. This i know. Lol

 

[Major]

Country Boy....Yea but old ? I do not believe that. I do have a question for you. Do you know how to punish a country boy the worse?? Move him to the city and take away his truck and boat and dog. This i know. Lol

Yep..........as far as I am concerned it was Bin Laden who was behind Dale Earnhardt getting killed.