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Sort to butt in again - but if we're living in daily, hourly expectation of the coming of the Lord Jesus to take us to be with Himself (at His coming), then wouldn't that sustain us? Really, we ought to be in constant expectation. I find that extremely testing, but I believe it's true. Even someone who is suffering a great deal can be sustained by that hope, that the Lord is soon going to come. If I choose to end my life because of suffering, I'm clearly not in the good of the truth of the imminent coming of the Lord.
 
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On this subject it appears to be the case. People are meant to die.
As humans we are subject to physical death. Holy Spirit is never mute. I don't understand how you can say He is.


So you never go to a doctor?
Not very often. The Lord helps me stay healthy, and I know what to do should I suffer the onset of anything. I have needed physician intervention, though, so you cannot cast any aspersions on me for standing up for God as Healer. He is indeed my Healer, and has given me His authority to combat illness, and that doesn't preclude using medical science. We do not, as believers, have to depend on it, however.

That doesn't mean everyone else has to do the same. Jesus suffered for a specific reason. It was not to show how tough he was at the end of his life. People do not have to suffer unnecessarily when they are dying.
Most people in western culture are blessed to have great medical intervention for the ravages of terminal disease.
 
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Perhaps this is going off-topic a bit, but I think I would be doing a believer in the Lord Jesus a dreadful disservice if I brought them back to life. I would be taking them from where they were with the Lord Jesus, back to this world. I would be taking them away from something which is far better. If I could do it, I wouldn't.

Well, that's just my view.
That is why when one has the anointing to raise the dead, it is under God's leading. God will raise them and bring them to new health.

We as Christians are called to do these things. Far too many refuse to.
 
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It is interesting that having establsihed the lie that every one has the right to life . We get a progression of the lie to the right to die .
In truth such bills of humans rights are the most Godless wicked and vainn assertiosn ever put on paper.
What each assertion is saying that man can live independent of God and die when he chooses.
Both assertions are wrong .
The first but echos the whisper of the srerpent "ye shall not surely die "
The second also echos what happend "ye shall surely die"

No man has the right to life . For his breath in his nostrils.
If a man takes a deep breath .That is his ;and what he says with it and what he does with it is up to him .
But the next breath is not his.
When a man goes to work he ahs the right and the expectation to recieve some form of recompence or wages .On the foundation of Gods word that "every labourer is worthy of his hire" For he ahs spent his life ,hios skill and sweat in that labour and should therefore recieve what is due in return.
But while a man holds his breath and wonders what eh is going to do and say with his life . He should ask himself this question .The next breath which is not his. When did eh ever work or labour for it? When did he ever deserve it or earn it that he can say it is his by right?
In very truth the very first breath that any man ever took was at his mothers labour expense , She had to work mighty hard so that he might take his first breath.
A man then is in a love debt to his mother for the very first breath.
How much the more is a man then in a love debt to God for ecery one he has ever take or will?

A man who holds to tightly to the idea that he has the right to life then will reject the truth that "the wages of sin is death ........." and if he then rejects that truth he will then reject also what follows "............B ut the free gift of God is eternal life through our Lord Jesus Christ"
In truth when a man says he has the right to life he says no matter what evil I do ,no evil shall come .

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gerald
wow!!! Deep . . .
 
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Sort to butt in again - but if we're living in daily, hourly expectation of the coming of the Lord Jesus to take us to be with Himself (at His coming), then wouldn't that sustain us? Really, we ought to be in constant expectation. I find that extremely testing, but I believe it's true. Even someone who is suffering a great deal can be sustained by that hope, that the Lord is soon going to come. If I choose to end my life because of suffering, I'm clearly not in the good of the truth of the imminent coming of the Lord.
Good point
 
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All things should be done for the glory of God the Father, whether we eat, sleep, or chew tobacco, lol. I know my body is not mine, Jesus is in here with me right now, and I'm not gonna talk about Him like His not in the room or in me, right Jesus, lol
 
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As humans we are subject to physical death. Holy Spirit is never mute. I don't understand how you can say He is.
When was the last time the Holy Spirit told you to raise the dead?


Not very often. The Lord helps me stay healthy, and I know what to do should I suffer the onset of anything. I have needed physician intervention, though, so you cannot cast any aspersions on me for standing up for God as Healer. He is indeed my Healer, and has given me His authority to combat illness, and that doesn't preclude using medical science. We do not, as believers, have to depend on it, however.
But yet you do it anyway. Save your time and money next time and don't go.

Most people in western culture are blessed to have great medical intervention for the ravages of terminal disease.
I don't see what your point is in this statement.
 

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When was the last time the Holy Spirit told you to raise the dead?



But yet you do it anyway. Save your time and money next time and don't go.


I don't see what your point is in this statement.
ASUK Hello,
A believer in Christ can build up their Faith and Love and trust in God to the place where they are walking By Faith as all of us are called to do. These folks rely totally on God and His word for Everything which includes healing and health. There is not fault in this.

Many believers have Yet to reach this level in their walk in Christ and simply have yet to develope this understanding and deeper faith and knowing spiritually. These folks do good by seeing a doctor or any health care type situation......Again there is NO fault in this.

Both groups of Believers are loved just the same by God.
So why do you put down on those who can and do Live by faith and do not use the health care system over those who do use this health care system ?

Why is this something to even argue over ? Both who use a doctor and those who dont are our brothers and sisters and are living the best they can with what light they have in them.
God Bless
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It also shows a lack of faith that the Lord will not heal them. We take doctors too seriously, as the end all - be all nowadays, which severely limits our faith and the power of God.
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I'm in no doubt that miracles have occurred. I've never seen or heard of anyone being miraculously healed in these times by the laying on of hands, but I've no doubt that it has been done.

I am quite convinced, however, that this isn't the time for sign gifts.
 

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That is why when one has the anointing to raise the dead, it is under God's leading. God will raise them and bring them to new health.

We as Christians are called to do these things. Far too many refuse to.
I must say that I really don't see the purpose in the dead in Christ being raised in order for them to die again - I can't see what purpose that would serve?
 
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I must say that I really don't see the purpose in the dead in Christ being raised in order for them to die again - I can't see what purpose that would serve?
God's purposes.

Matthew 10:7-8
Go and announce to them that the Kingdom of Heaven is near. 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cure those with leprosy, and cast out demons. Give as freely as you have received!
 
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Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I'm in no doubt that miracles have occurred. I've never seen or heard of anyone being miraculously healed in these times by the laying on of hands, but I've no doubt that it has been done.

I am quite convinced, however, that this isn't the time for sign gifts.
Hi Grant,
Your last line says you are quite convinced that this isn't the time for sign gifts.
Please would you sir explain this to me ? I mean how do you come to this thought?

Scripture tells us God will pour out His spirit in these last days....Now thast is going to make a showing dont you think..........
His word and ways do not stop and reactivate through out time. Another words - Faith is always going to do what Faith was created to do.

Signs and wonders are what is seen as God works. Another words - you hear the chimes on the back porch chiming away and you say oh thast is just the wind........No sir that is not the wind.......It is the Result of the wind blowing or Signs and Wonders of the wind.

It is the same with God and His word. Sings and wonders FOllow or are the result of Gods power working. If you feel this is not for today then you just claimed God wont be doing anything thses days.

Yes sir I know you said "gift" but in truth - there is no need to have a gift of sings and wonders. God works or moves.........Signs = shows He has done something and Wonders = baffles the minds of those who do not know God or who have yet to build up their faith in Christ or can Not simply explain it away.

God Bless Grant
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I must say that I really don't see the purpose in the dead in Christ being raised in order for them to die again - I can't see what purpose that would serve?
Grant my brother - perhaps you might stop and re-read what you have said here.
Your child gets hit and killed by a drunk driver as they drove through the school yard. Would you not want to lay hands on your child or any of the other children and see them live again and to be able to live out their life ? I mean after all they will die again......

Does this make sense to you sir ?
Blessings
Jim
 
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Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but personally I'm in no doubt that miracles have occurred. I've never seen or heard of anyone being miraculously healed in these times by the laying on of hands, but I've no doubt that it has been done.

I am quite convinced, however, that this isn't the time for sign gifts.
I and millions of others have seen it. We are indeed living in the time for God to reveal His power in signs and wonders...and he does so, daily.
 
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