I'm going to go with this train of thought (call it philosophical if you will). If the Christian baker sited Christian/Biblical beliefs for not wanting to bake a cake for a gay wedding, what do you supposed a gay baker/owner would sight in not wanting to bake a cake for a Christian wedding?
Christian Rights Vs Gay Rights
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I'm going to go with this train of thought (call it philosophical if you will). If the Christian baker sited Christian/Biblical beliefs for not wanting to bake a cake for a gay wedding, what do you supposed a gay baker/owner would sight in not wanting to bake a cake for a Christian wedding?
Who has promoted killing anyone? And its the groups that are promoting these things that are causing all the stife, by calling folks "Nazis" for upholding the standards of God. By the way the Nazis where in fact a gay cult...which only proves how this wickedness promotes more wickedness.
Good point most folks understand this is a sin against nature even apart from Gods right standards, its a destructive force in any society.
One wonders. Perhaps the owner would site atrocities in history and falsely blame Christianity as many do.
Of course an American has the right to say NO! I do not want to bake a cake in honor of a sexual perversion. It don't have to have anything to do with religion, its just common sense that this is not something that should be supported in any way by folks who see this as destructive to our society.
So you would feel comfortable baking a cake when knowing it is for a pro-life rally/celebration, to celebrate the occult, for a porn convention, etc.?
I don't think the businessman was wrong for doing what he did. Actually, he was standing up for his principles and faith. I think it was very admirable.
I wouldn't be baking it for anything other than a paying customer. What they did with the cake is their free will.
How about decorating it. Would you draw a pentagram on it if they asked you to?
Indeed, but what one does with his business is also his free will. For a transaction to be legitimate, it must be voluntary on both parties.
I'm honestly not that hostile toward the gay couple. I think they are acting imprudently and I don't agree with their choice in pursing this.
But I'm especially distressed over the State for not only forcing him to do business with certain customers, but the State is also forcing him into sensitivity training.
But I'm especially distressed over the State for not only forcing him to do business with certain customers, but the State is also forcing him into sensitivity training.
I don't agree with what the state did and I think the baker should have the right to choose what he bakes. However as a business owner it is silly to refuse selling something based on the other persons lifestyle.
What if it was a hardware store would he have refused to sell a hammer to them just to make sure they didn't make a gay pride sign with it? Or a generator that might be used at the rally?
What if it was a hardware store would he have refused to sell a hammer to them just to make sure they didn't make a gay pride sign with it? Or a generator that might be used at the rally?
I suspect the business owner did what he did regardless of the repercussions. This took place in Oregon which is extremely Left-leaning. When something like this happens, word is bound to get out and he had to have known his business could be in jeopardy.
Is it a smart business move? I'd say no. A smart business move is to cater to everyone and leave your own personal convictions out of it. However, at least from the perspective of an outsider, he's more interested in being a devoted Christian than a smart businessman.
I would agree with that. But selling something to someone that furthers that destructive lifestyle is what is in question.
The sad thing is, is that if you open a business you have to put the business and the rules that surround it before God.
I don't see how the cake would further their homosexual lifestyle. I don't think going home without a cake slowed them down any.
No, you're absolutely right that a cake itself could not do anything. Here's an extreme (and funny) example:
You're operating a store. A Klansman walks in, hood and all, and tells you he's interested in ordering a cake for the Imperial Wizard's retirement party. The KKK can exist legally and associate, despite their evilness, and you can legally choose to accept their business or deny it. What would you be inclined to do?
And just so the example doesn't get lost, let's pretend this takes place in a time and era where association with the KKK isn't taboo, but totally acceptable. Yet you still have you current Christian morals.
I would say 'as a business it is my right to refuse service to anyone and I am exercising my right to do so; good day sir/madam'.