Did Jesus Died On Good Friday And Rose Early Sunday Morning?

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I did not see the "myths" I did not see the endless genealogies. I read Brother Paul trying to explain the Jewish tradition of counting days, which is very helpful in understanding a statement made to Jews by The Lord, who is a Jew and spoke often in context of what the Jews understood. And the point of the scripture you used is clearly in context of "teaching the law". Which I do not see. So those who teach law, often use these sorts of things that have no value as to the truth of the gospel. But I could make a hundred points as to the understanding of Jewish culture at the Lords time, helps us understand many of the things to which He was speaking.
 

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I did not see the "myths" I did not see the endless genealogies. I read Brother Paul trying to explain the Jewish tradition of counting days, which is very helpful in understanding a statement made to Jews by The Lord, who is a Jew and spoke often in context of what the Jews understood. And the point of the scripture you used is clearly in context of "teaching the law". Which I do not see. So those who teach law, often use these sorts of things that have no value as to the truth of the gospel. But I could make a hundred points as to the understanding of Jewish culture at the Lords time, helps us understand many of the things to which He was speaking.
Brother Paul?

That was intended for Brother Tan OP….
 
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Brother Paul?

That was intended for Brother Tan OP….
Oh, Maybe I was trying to defend the wrong brother? I could not even bear to read past a few words what brother Tan had written. You may have a good point? I was looking only at the latter discussion between Ab and Paul. Sorry
 

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Oh, Maybe I was trying to defend the wrong brother? I could not even bear to read past a few words what brother Tan had written. You may have a good point? I was looking only at the latter discussion between Ab and Paul. Sorry
yes, same here…..
In my quick browse, I happen to see only one mention of the good news, of the gospel…..in his posts : )
The last sentences of post no# 2

He was not only to die on the Passover, He became our Passover.
 
Brother Paul not sure about where your post is concerning how the Jews reckon days and nights? It is clear that in context the Lord was speaking to the Jews "That generation" so if you could repost that info or tell me more of what you know about that issue?
Sure! I was commenting on Bro. Tan's erroneous conclusion that Jesus would have risen just BEFORE sunset on Saturday (according to his post) which is quite impossible if anything else referring to it (including the immediate tradition passed down from the Apostles to the early church) is true. The issue regarding how Hebrews reckoned time is put forth to us all through the scriptures...they thought in terms of evening being followed by morning as a day. Therefore being raised up just before the early morning of the first day of the week means He was still entombed during most of the evening portion of the 1st day not at the end of the 7th day.

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Sure! I was commenting on Bro. Tan's erroneous conclusion that Jesus would have risen just BEFORE sunset on Saturday (according to his post) which is quite impossible if anything else referring to it (including the immediate tradition passed down from the Apostles to the early church) is true. The issue regarding how Hebrews reckoned time is put forth to us all through the scriptures...they thought in terms of evening being followed by morning as a day. Therefore being raised up just before the early morning of the first day of the week means He was still entombed during most of the evening portion of the 1st day not at the end of the 7th day.

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Ok, if you don't mind Bro Paul? Give me your understanding of the three "nights" I can see the days but have not seen the nights? I am not a selective literalist but I do think its important that the Lord mentioned the nights also. If you please..
 
Ok, if you don't mind Bro Paul? Give me your understanding of the three "nights" I can see the days but have not seen the nights? I am not a selective literalist but I do think its important that the Lord mentioned the nights also. If you please..
Well first off all positions are based on one's hermeneutic. One poster defined himself as a literalist and thus takes the phrase "3 days and 3 nights" literally. A number of problems arises from such a hermeneutic. If one is such a literalist, what then does Jesus mean when He says He is the door or gate to the sheepfold? Are we to assume He is a hinged wooden contraption with a hinge? Of course not, that would be absurd. So we can see here that He is speaking figuratively. Metaphor, simile, hyperbole, etc., are also applied all though the scriptures which shows us to take a wooden literal approach is error. The meaning of phrases which seem unusual must be seen and interpreted in light of the context of the other scriptures referring to the one which we are studying.

So in light of other scriptures, like "No man comes to the Father but through me", we understand the door/gate comment is a metaphor to show us that He is the Way (and there is none else)...so it is with "3 days and 3 nights" just the mere grammatical structure in Hebrew alone should strike us as odd, BECAUSE Hebrews did not think in terms of day then night but in terms of evening preceding morning as one day. Only in the West did the twist on this become confusing because for westerners (definitely modern westerners) the day begins at sunrise (even though in time we reckon the beginning as of mid-night)....we think in terms of "day and night" but that was not even in their frame of reference (they thought in terms of "night and day"). Clearly you can see these are directly the opposite of one another in terms of a frame of reference.

So I also believe the word of God is saying exactly what it means but where the language or reference is figurative let it be taken so (and I understand this involves an amount of judgment on each of our parts) where metaphor, let it be metaphorical, where poetic, take it as such, and so on....where absurdity results or contradiction would become apparent it is WE who have gotten it incorrect (not the word).

3 days and 3 nights is an idiomatic expression because in Hebrew thinking (to whom Jesus was speaking) nights following days is not only backwards, but in light of His being crucified representing the first day of 3 and scriptures testifying (I listed 10 different references) that He rose "on the third day" and that this was "early in the morning" (the 2nd half) of the 1st day of the week if 3 days and 3 nights is to be taken in a wooden literalism then the Bible contradicts itself (not acceptable to me) or is in error (God forbid). If this is to be taken literally then the 3rd night following this third day is missing (it does not occur because He has risen)

Knowing this is the case (and I have other examples than those already presented) I gave a clue to how Jews see these types of sayings by referencing first and foremost a section from the Jewish Encyclopedia explaining what is now called "inclusive reckoning" but is simply how they thought. In some senses we can see a difference even now in how they think about time. In the Middle East, to this day. if a meeting is called for 10 and some show up at quarter of and some at quarter past, no one was early and no one was late....in America and parts of Europe, dates can get offended and people can be fired for far less...

So here is another example referring to this phraseology....1 Samuel 30:12 speaks of an abandoned Egyptian servant who "had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and three nights." The idiomatic usage becomes apparent in the following verse. The servant then declares that his master left him behind "three days ago" (v. 13). Now if the "three days and three nights" was literal, this would now have been the fourth day following a full 72 hours. But the reality of the context disallows such an interpretation. Do you see?

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Thank you Brother Paul, I think your knowledge and understanding of how "time" was understood in that "time" could be the answer to this apparent contradiction. I will consider your understanding and allow the Lord time to put it all together for me, as often happens, He brings better understanding from different sources. When I have a question such as this, I try not to rush into some position based upon pride, but allow that I know nothing yet as I should know. What I reject is these changing standards of literalism, that some seem to demand others follow alone with. It took me many years to understand certain things in scripture that had I limited myself by the selective literalist demands, I would not have grown in grace and knowledge. Blessings and thank you again for your patience and your desire to help others understand the truth.
 
Thanks Mitspa, I have nothing to do with it really, but what got me passed this was this idea....if being IN THE EARTH "three days and three nights" is to be understood literally, then Christ rose on the 4th day and thus was either a liar or a false prophet (God forbid) but there can be no other conclusion...also if risen on the third day, it would have to be followed by a third night in the tomb, which could not have occurred...
 
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So Jesus would Have been in the Grave Wednesday night, Thursday daytime and Thursday night, Friday daytime, Friday night, Saturday daytime and Jesus rose right before the sun went down on Saturday. Hence one has the 3 days and 3 nights which Jesus prophesied.

So according to this (see the underlined section) Jesus rose just before the end of the 7th day Sabbath not on the 1st day of the week (feast of first fruits). Am I understanding you correctly?

According to the Bible Jesus rose right before the sun went down on Saturday
 

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I am sure there will remain those who feel that there is nothing wrong in observing Easter, because they believe that it is the spirit in which one does something that is important. Again my purpose is not to antagonize. It is only to cause you, to carefully examine the doctrine and practices, which you are following. By researching the scriptures one can ensure, that their doctrine lines up with the word of God. Having said that, Jesus told us to worship in spirit and the Lord gave everyone specific instructions how to do that. Those instructions are contained in the Holy Bible, for it contains the word of God. If any one follows a doctrine or operates in a spirit that is contrary to the scriptures, that doctrine and spirit they are following, are contrary to God.

In I John (4:1) it tells you to try the spirits. How does one try the spirits? By the word of God. By operating in the so called spirit of things, people worship God in ways that can not be supported or substantiated by the bible. They do this while still not observing God's commandments. Observing the Passover is a commandment from God Leviticus (23:5).

People world wide observe so called religious holidays in the name of Christ but none of these are supported by the bible. This lesson hopefully showed that one of them, Easter, is no more than a tradition established by man. Again try the spirits, for if one can follow practices not supported by the bible, yet not do what is written in scripture, they are operating under a strong spirit. And that spirit is contrary the word of God.
Peace to all who seek the truth in Jesus name.
 
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I am sure there will remain those who feel that there is nothing wrong in observing Easter, because they believe that it is the spirit in which one does something that is important. Again my purpose is not to antagonize. It is only to cause you, to carefully examine the doctrine and practices, which you are following. By researching the scriptures one can ensure, that their doctrine lines up with the word of God. Having said that, Jesus told us to worship in spirit and the Lord gave everyone specific instructions how to do that. Those instructions are contained in the Holy Bible, for it contains the word of God. If any one follows a doctrine or operates in a spirit that is contrary to the scriptures, that doctrine and spirit they are following, are contrary to God.

In I John (4:1) it tells you to try the spirits. How does one try the spirits? By the word of God. By operating in the so called spirit of things, people worship God in ways that can not be supported or substantiated by the bible. They do this while still not observing God's commandments. Observing the Passover is a commandment from God Leviticus (23:5).

People world wide observe so called religious holidays in the name of Christ but none of these are supported by the bible. This lesson hopefully showed that one of them, Easter, is no more than a tradition established by man. Again try the spirits, for if one can follow practices not supported by the bible, yet not do what is written in scripture, they are operating under a strong spirit. And that spirit is contrary the word of God.
Peace to all who seek the truth in Jesus name.
Do you observe all the commandments given in the book of Leviticus? No you do not and you will give some New Testament reason why that commandment is not valid in the New Covenant, right? See some of us understand that its "all things written in the book of the law" that must be kept to keep any part of the law. Its every jot and tittle or its all passed away for those who are in Christ. Now I could ask about your supposed law-keeping, but you would not and could not explain how you keep it or what part or make any biblical defense for picking certain parts of the law to "keep" and then just excusing away other parts. None who teach the law can defend their doctrine.

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

"Evident" That means that some refuse to give up their self-righteousness.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
 

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In I John (4:1) it tells you to try the spirits. How does one try the spirits? By the word of God. By operating in the so called spirit of things, people worship God in ways that can not be supported or substantiated by the bible. They do this while still not observing God's commandments. Observing the Passover is a commandment from God Leviticus (23:5).

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Peace to all who seek the truth in Jesus name.


Your answer to your own question is quite broad ?
...... when the answer is clearly stated in the next verses:

1 John 4
New King James Version (NKJV)
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that[a] Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

Peace to you as well....
 
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Do you observe all the commandments given in the book of Leviticus? No you do not and you will give some New Testament reason why that commandment is not valid in the New Covenant, right? See some of us understand that its "all things written in the book of the law" that must be kept to keep any part of the law. Its every jot and tittle or its all passed away for those who are in Christ. Now I could ask about your supposed law-keeping, but you would not and could not explain how you keep it or what part or make any biblical defense for picking certain parts of the law to "keep" and then just excusing away other parts. None who teach the law can defend their doctrine.

Ga 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

"Evident" That means that some refuse to give up their self-righteousness.

Ro 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Thank you and have a good day.
 

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Bro.tan,
re: "...Jesus died on a Wednesday night."
Matthew 27:46 suggests that it was around 3pm in the afternoon. Where do you get that it was during night time?

At the beginning of this lesson, it was explained in Leviticus (23:4) that the Passover which is the 14th of the month, is the day before the feast of Unleavened Bread, which is a Holy Day or A High Sabbath. The Passover is sometimes referred as the preparation day because they used this day to prepare for the feast. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is the Sabbath which was being refereed to in Mark 15:42) when it was stated that Joseph craved the body of Jesus. Jesus had been crucified on the Passover and the next day was the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus foretold when His death would occur.

(Matthew 26:1) And it came to pass, when Jesus had finished all these sayings, he said unto his disciples, (2) Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Now remember God's days start at evening and end the next evening. Keep that in mind as you view the next set of scriptures. Jesus had been betrayed by Judas the evening of the Passover. John 13 tells how Jesus and His disciples, that evening, were sharing the Passover meal. John (18:3) shows that same evening; Jesus was betrayed and taken away. It was still nighttime when they took Jesus, because the men that came and took and bound Him had lanterns and torches.

Jesus was crucified the next day but it was still the Passover. Remember God's days run from sundown to sundown. Jesus had been taken into custody the night of the Passover and the next morning which is the day of the Passover, He was condemned and crucified.

The following verses demonstrate how Pilate was willing to release Jesus the morning after he had been taken in to custody. It was still the Passover. We all know the Jews refused and Jesus was crucified.

(John 18:39) But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews? (40) Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.

His death Wednesday night is consistent with the comment of the prophet Daniel, stating the Messiah would be cut off (killed) in the midst of the week.

Daniel 9:26-27 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week (Wednesday is the middle of the week) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, (Remember, Jesus is the sacrificial Passover Lamb).
 

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Ha ha ha! Nice attempt at diversion....if He rose on the 7th day Sabbath and not on the 1st day of the week I assume you have scriptures t back that up...show us....or else admit you made it up....

In the scriptures its written in Proverbs 12: 15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.
 
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Thank you and have a good day.
Why can you not answer a simple question in defense of the doctrine you are trying to teach? I think I know.

1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.