Does God choose to limit Himself?

#61
Ask the question another way. Will angels refer to us as gods, fellow angels, monkeys or humans that can now sit with God and have tea?
Look at how CCW rebuked me for the believing I had referred to Christ as not being God :). Jesus in the flesh or spirit = God, amen! Likewise us in the flesh or spirit = human.
This speaks to me of a God given title. Nothing to do with being a greater or lessor creation.
This verse speaks to me of our Savior needing to be God. To inherit the kingdom we need to be sons of God. Humans are grafted in. Bodies washed clean of sins = glorified bodies.
Yes.........but doesn't "glorified" bodies = NO FLESH AND BLOOD?

Scripture says that we worship God in SPIRIT and truth and it is our Spirit that goes to heaven after the HUMAN body is buried.

Then we also need to remember that the Scripture says that "we are a NEW CREATION in Christ Jesus".

I am getting a headache!!!!!
 
#62
Yes.........but doesn't "glorified" bodies = NO FLESH AND BLOOD?

Scripture says that we worship God in SPIRIT and truth and it is our Spirit that goes to heaven after the HUMAN body is buried.

Then we also need to remember that the Scripture says that "we are a NEW CREATION in Christ Jesus".

I am getting a headache!!!!!
:) I have a headache too, but not from this discussion.

We are new creations right now. We will still recognize each other in heaven. If my mom turns into an angel, will I recognize her? Humans were created in the image of God. We were created with the final product / purpose in mind.
 
#63
:) I have a headache too, but not from this discussion.

We are new creations right now. We will still recognize each other in heaven. If my mom turns into an angel, will I recognize her? Humans were created in the image of God. We were created with the final product / purpose in mind.
No human who enters heaven as one of the redeemed turns int any other creation, least of all an angel. That belief is a myth created by religious people, out of ignorance of the scriptures, you can be sure.

In the resurrection, if we are in heaven at that time, our soul/spirit will be reunited with our dead bodies, but changed, made new, and made incorruptible, which means unaffected by time (immortal) and disease or wasting. We shall have glorified flesh bodies---just like Jesus! Why? Because we must have them in order to live and rule with Jesus in His earthly Millennial Reign. That places us over the angelic in authority.

For those who are still earthbound people at the resurrection--we will change, in that "twinkling of an eye":

1 John 3:2 (NLT)
Dear friends, we are already God’s children, but he has not yet shown us what we will be like when Christ appears. But we do know that we will be like him, for we will see him as he really is.
 
#64
We will be like Jesus and His scars are still visible. We'll be recognized by those who knew us as they choose to see us. We will represent ourselves as we want to be seen to others. All will be known in heaven. We will still be able to eat, as the Tree of Life there with a new fruit every month and it's leaves will heal the nations after the tribulation. Since we will be like Christ, we will be given the task of being judge over the nations and the angels. We are to be priests to Jesus. Now, today, we know only in part, but when we see Him, we will be as He sees us. Just my opinion.
 
#68
I think there is sarcasm in the way Paul spoke, but that there was a greater truth in his discourse.
Paul use a fair bit of sarcasm at various times.
 
#71
Can a person have just a "slice" of God in them? Either you have Christ in you who is God or you don't. The "spiritual" man judges ALL things, but he is judged by no man. How can the "spiritual" man judge ALL things? I thought only God judges all things! It is only God who judges all things, and this why the "spiritual" man can judge ALL things because we have the mind of Christ, who is God.
Why do think the Holy Spirit was given to the Church, is so we the Church can understand God ways, and know his thoughts.

1Co 2:14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.
1Co 2:16 "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

1Co 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?
1Co 6:3
Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!

This would be impossible without the mind of Christ who is God!!!
Not so my brother. The idea of a "slice of divinity in us" is actually a Gnostic myth. They speak of progressive revelation, of each person having a spark of goodness within that just needs to be fanned into a flame, and of each soul or spirit existing before in heaven and returning there upon death. That is also Mormon doctrine.
 
#74
Not so my brother. The idea of a "slice of divinity in us" is actually a Gnostic myth. They speak of progressive revelation, of each person having a spark of goodness within that just needs to be fanned into a flame, and of each soul or spirit existing before in heaven and returning there upon death. That is also Mormon doctrine.
I really do not believe we have a "part" of God in us. We have the real thing in his fullness. I guess I worded my response without clarity. :)
 
#77
Even if he was being a tiny bit sarcastic, what he said was the truth. We will be adjudicators over the angelic realm, making determinations of some kind.
I agree with you.

Without a doubt.... we can learn from 1 Corinthians 6:2-10 is that we, as God’s children, will be given a higher position than the angels. We’re not only created in God’s image but redeemed by Christ. Angels are not created in God’s image and are not redeemed by Christ. Also, God sends His angels to serve His saints, i.e., those who are to inherit eternal life.

Now, I am not trying to be too technical but only attempting to try and explain why I said Paul MAY HAVE BEEN trying to be sarcastic. That does not remove the truth that would be found in that sarcasm.

Context is always the key to understanding and if we continue on in the 6th chapter to verse 4 we see.......
"Set them to judge who are least esteemed".

In the original, that may either be understood as "indicative" or "interrogative". IF it is interrogative then it would definitely be understood as sarcastic. That is.......if you are going to go to a civil court, you might just as well put your least qualified members as jurors.

In other words the sarcasm would be.........."Are you setting them to judge who are least thought of in the church?"
 
#79
In scripture we see where it seems God has chosen or make Himself not know certain events in the bible. I'll give one example of this.

Genesis 18:20-21

God is speaking to Abraham and telling him that there is an outcry from the sin Sodom and Gomorrah is doing and that He needed to go down to see whether they have done this sin and if not then He would know.

In a way this tells us God either doesn't know everything or He chooses not to know everything. Why would God need to go to the city to prove what He already knows?

I fully believe God knows everything and in this instance He chooses not to know and therefore proceeds in finding out what is going on. What are your thoughts?
I would say God does know but chooses to go talk things over with His covenant partner Abraham so that God would be able to save some. If Abraham had kept going he could likely have made it just for Lot's sake and they never would have been wiped out. Sort of like God getting Jonah involved over Ninevah or talking with Moses multiple times about destroying Israel because of the Law but Moses pled for their lives and God was able to save them because of his intercession.
 
#80
If God knows everything, and he does, then how would we know what his intents are unless he tells us or asks us questions? I believe God told Abraham his intents for SG just so Abraham would intercede on their behalf. The Lord is very very smart in his dealings with man! The Lord needs a man on earth so he (God) can accomplish his will through man. The Holy Spirit can not be sent to Africa to preach the Gospel as he needs a "man" from which to preach his message as his "instrument of righteousness!

Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Yeah, we ARE the BODY of the Anointed One and His Anointing after all. Whatever He would have us do on the earth requires His Body and we are His body and the bkdy of His anointing (yoke-destroying, burde-removing power of God).