That is new . I have never had my eyes described as a tree. I shall add to majestic, beautiful and angelic. Your quote meaning I can’t see the Forest through the trees. You be entitled to your opinion. But perhaps I live above the forest with a room with a view. I see very much. .
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Well what do you see?
maybe you mean it’s about freedom to just be ourselves in faith but I’ve done that and found other people sometimes just take things the wrong way.I’ve learned to temper my natural friendliness so as not to give people the wrong message.
Maybe I’m wrong to do so but I can’t think of anything else.
Many American states, because of a new focus on domestic violence, require police to make an arrest at the allegation of domestic violence. They also put in place orders of protection. It is up to the court system to determine the legitimacy of the allegation; the police are responsible to separate the parties and keep them separated until a judge can review the case. There are also discussions at the federal level about national legislation similar to that of the proactive states.
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Via it certainly be about the Christian expression of love and freedom along with the hand of friendship on a universal scale . I’m not the one trying to change how fellowship works. If one chooses to be only embraced or kissed by your partner all good and well. But if you frown upon others who happily embrace those gestures in the good grace of the spirit of Christian love then that is wrong. And again a Christ rejecting Rabbi doesn’t speak for the church. And that’s another cop out in his video where the rabbi argues about men not talking to men on a 8 hour flight but with woman they happily will. I’ve done a bit of flying in my time it be a mixture of both and men certainly chat with other men and not just woman while others be they man or woman don’t chat so much . You ask what I see . I see as Christ sees beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Matthew 16:12 They like to divide and corrupt and to judge . We like to forgive and give our love freelyWell what do you see?
maybe you mean it’s about freedom to just be ourselves in faith but I’ve done that and found other people sometimes just take things the wrong way.I’ve learned to temper my natural friendliness so as not to give people the wrong message.
Maybe I’m wrong to do so but I can’t think of anything else.
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though I don't live in the states.
In NZ we have restraining orders and remand prisons too, but our justice system is probably a bit different.
If someone is hurt/injured, they need to report it. But if they don't report it nothing happens and the violence continues. You can report anonymously, because if you do report it and the perpertrator gets found there could be violent repercussions. If not you, they'll go after your pets or children. Thats why a lot of women just take the abuse. Rather they get hit and abused then their children.
I think the whole chatting thing can be either really interesting or maybe annoying.
I've observed its probably a cultural thing, or if someone is on a flight or long haul bus ride they probably more likely to pour their heart out to a stranger than anyone else. They have a captive audience lol.
Apparently Americans can talk a hindleg off a donkey. Has anyone seen the movie Rush Hour with Jackie Chan and Eddie Murphy. Well its like that. Or Shrek. Eddie played the donkey in that too, he wouldn't shut up. Shrek was more taciturn.
Some women can be chatty Cathys too.
Some people just want to make friends, others will talk to anyone who will listen! I'm more will hang back a big first before conversing, but if I did that all the time I would just never talk to anyone. There is an art to conversation. Just because I want to talk with someone (of whatever gender) does not mean I want to have intimate relations with them though!
I've observed its probably a cultural thing, or if someone is on a flight or long haul bus ride they probably more likely to pour their heart out to a stranger than anyone else. They have a captive audience lol.
Apparently Americans can talk a hindleg off a donkey. Has anyone seen the movie Rush Hour with Jackie Chan and Eddie Murphy. Well its like that. Or Shrek. Eddie played the donkey in that too, he wouldn't shut up. Shrek was more taciturn.
Some women can be chatty Cathys too.
Some people just want to make friends, others will talk to anyone who will listen! I'm more will hang back a big first before conversing, but if I did that all the time I would just never talk to anyone. There is an art to conversation. Just because I want to talk with someone (of whatever gender) does not mean I want to have intimate relations with them though!
What don't people curtsey/kowtow/bow anymore?
I think in the olden days people would take their hats off when they wore hats.
I always thought a handshake should be to seal a deal rather than as an introduction but it seems like it was originally used to show you didn't conceal any weapons. Look, no guns.
Or maybe its to show, look I am wearing a wedding ring. You can't touch me.
I think in the olden days people would take their hats off when they wore hats.
I always thought a handshake should be to seal a deal rather than as an introduction but it seems like it was originally used to show you didn't conceal any weapons. Look, no guns.
Or maybe its to show, look I am wearing a wedding ring. You can't touch me.
MM again I say to you. I don’t have the right to judge a handshake a embrace or a kiss which has been a accepted practice by the church and a custom of many nations from ancient times. If you choose to abstain from such activities well that’s all good and well. But seems you want to encourage others to follow in yours and Rabbi’s footsteps, and belittle practices that have always been seen as accepted acts of Christian love and friendship by the church. You speak very much about the perils and morals of sexuality they have always been there lurking in a thousand different ways it be nothing new. But still the handshake the embrace and the holy kiss have overcome all such calamity and continue to this very day. Simply because they be a true expression of love, friendship and appreciation. And those traditions have proven themselves true over the test of time.
Well, no. That's not the case at all. If you read my posts more carefully, you will see a dominant theme where I repeatedly address being watchful for any and ALL opportunities for the enemy to gain a foothold for sin. A married man, frontally hugging another woman not his wife, can sin outside the awareness of all others around him. Pointing at what you call "proven themselves over the test of time" says nothing about the heart. Many things can seem harmless, and even holy when viewing the outward, but the inward, which is what the Lord sees, is an entirely different matter. Traditions don't serve as a legitimate mask over the face of what can be many cases of inner sin.
I'm not saying that most men, hugging a stranger who is a woman other than his wife, are experiencing inner sin, but we can certainly observe that we are all still living in these bodies of death, as Paul declared, and dare we drop our guard against the wiles of the enemy of our souls, and he will indeed succeed in some, if not many cases.
Additionally, I never suggested all other men do as I do in avoiding contact and casual conversation with, for example, a woman not his wife on the airliner. I have repeatedly hammered on the footholds of the enemy in things that MAY otherwise seem harmless to everyone, but in fact MAY not.
When I was living in the orient, the television programming was replete with nudity and other suggestive content that any true Christian would find objectionable. Where they didn't go around hugging one another, but rather bowing to one another, setting one's eyes on the TV would more than make up for what they couldn't get through a desire for physical contact.
So, I see what you are saying, in that your grouping even has men kissing women not their wives on the cheek...even three times in some cases. The day anyone can say to me that they see the hearts of all involved, and that there is no sin within, that's the day I would bow down to such a one because only Deity can see that which is within. You, me, and almost all others here are not Deity, so what I said stands (keeping in mind that the Lord is here, and so not excluded).
MM
Dear brothers and sisters;
It's clear to me that each of you have your own personal social views and Biblical etiquette from reading your individual posts. I truly respect your thoughts and remind myself how one addresses a brother or sister in Christ from a greeting, conversation or when saying goodbye may be different with each of you.
When greeting someone in the church, community, social event or even work, some of you posted feel it's uncomfortable for a man to shake a woman's hand. Others feel a hug or kiss on the cheek (man to woman or woman to man) may be or may not be socially appropriate. That's fair for the individual to exercise what they feel, believe and I understand completely. Question is, is God in the center?
The good Rabbi Manus Friedman means well and for the most part I can agree with his point of view because I get where he is coming from. I don't know how the Church father Clement's view aligns with this topic but I can still keep an open heart and learn from both men of God. I cannot accept this as a cross the board standard behavior from these two men but I do understand the Biblical etiquette for appropriate behavior. So whether man or woman, what is our responsibility?
My personal responsibility is to study what the Scripture teaches and how do I apply it as a man of God and married man.
When I greet a woman for the first time, in the church, community or ministry I will shake their hand. If my wife and I have a longtime female family member, female friend, or a sister in a Christian relationship I will hug them in the presence of my wife.
But I also must know my place as a husband and minister of God. If it's in my heart to feel some attraction to a woman that I confront, then that's a firm signal to know my position and distance. I will not shake the woman's hand or hug them keeping my thoughts on God first, then my wife. I also don't meet with other woman unless my wife is with me.
At the end of the day I touch my wife, hold her hand, embrace her beyond a hug and will kiss her because she is my wife, a precious gift from God. Only God can keep me from screwing it up.
Each one of us has our own standard of etiquette whether man or woman, but we must be aware that God sees the heart. Keep God in the center, keep it Biblical and pay heed to what His Word teaches us.
God bless you all.
It's clear to me that each of you have your own personal social views and Biblical etiquette from reading your individual posts. I truly respect your thoughts and remind myself how one addresses a brother or sister in Christ from a greeting, conversation or when saying goodbye may be different with each of you.
When greeting someone in the church, community, social event or even work, some of you posted feel it's uncomfortable for a man to shake a woman's hand. Others feel a hug or kiss on the cheek (man to woman or woman to man) may be or may not be socially appropriate. That's fair for the individual to exercise what they feel, believe and I understand completely. Question is, is God in the center?
The good Rabbi Manus Friedman means well and for the most part I can agree with his point of view because I get where he is coming from. I don't know how the Church father Clement's view aligns with this topic but I can still keep an open heart and learn from both men of God. I cannot accept this as a cross the board standard behavior from these two men but I do understand the Biblical etiquette for appropriate behavior. So whether man or woman, what is our responsibility?
My personal responsibility is to study what the Scripture teaches and how do I apply it as a man of God and married man.
When I greet a woman for the first time, in the church, community or ministry I will shake their hand. If my wife and I have a longtime female family member, female friend, or a sister in a Christian relationship I will hug them in the presence of my wife.
But I also must know my place as a husband and minister of God. If it's in my heart to feel some attraction to a woman that I confront, then that's a firm signal to know my position and distance. I will not shake the woman's hand or hug them keeping my thoughts on God first, then my wife. I also don't meet with other woman unless my wife is with me.
At the end of the day I touch my wife, hold her hand, embrace her beyond a hug and will kiss her because she is my wife, a precious gift from God. Only God can keep me from screwing it up.
Each one of us has our own standard of etiquette whether man or woman, but we must be aware that God sees the heart. Keep God in the center, keep it Biblical and pay heed to what His Word teaches us.
God bless you all.
Fisty cuffs bother.
Because God Lives in us and through us and is satisfied when we each know our place and we e find that only through the Lord!
God Bless you B
bYou say no. Well me say yes. It be a choice of our Christian liberty in the union of love and friendship to embrace, feel and to kiss whom we like. MM perhaps you put far to much emphasis on the power of the devil and not so much on the power of Christ. Most christians can discern 1st John 4:4 ( Greater is he that is in you then he that be of this world ) the power of touch the power of the embrace have always been a beautiful feeling of warmth. You have your wife to embrace many have nothing . The elderly, the unloved. The reality be that most upon this earth luv their cuddles and the feeling it brings of being loved . It be part of our make up. How long can one suffer under your Rabbi’s yoke of legalities we already live in a world starved of love. A cuddle or a touch makes for one less each day. You speak much of sensuality that be part of our make up too. It is to enjoyed. Our God be the giver of all good things. And finally we do read in 1st Kings 1:1-4 that the Emperor King David when coming upon his last days it was decided a youthful damsel should share his bed and embrace to keep him warm in his final days . That be a most wonderful honour to do so. And again the needed warmth of a humanity cannot be denied. And again the Holy church does not deny you your right to abstain. Only that you respect that others practice differently.
Prim90 your the new buzz lightyear in my imagination... and Musicmaster is the awesome woody.
I love you both dudes your ping ponging is on form and neat, even though I will just stay as referee lol
May the Lord grant you both a way through this...
I love you both dudes your ping ponging is on form and neat, even though I will just stay as referee lol
May the Lord grant you both a way through this...
YOU my friend are totally correct!!!!!
We must be watchful and carful and even when we are.......Satan works in the hearts of people to do his evil work.
Several years ago, I was visiting a church, and was sitting behind a woman and I reached up and tapped her shoulder ONE time to get her attention to pass a song book to my wife and I. The next day, the pastor called me to tell me that someone told him i made an "Inappropriate Pass" at the woman. My wife almost passed out laughing at that.
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Maybe in some part of the world there are mens hospitals were all the doctors and nurses are men and the patients are men
And there are separate womens hospitals where all the doctors and nurses are women and all the patients are women. Just so they don't talk to each other.
And in churches are for men and boys only and all the women stay home with their daughters. Just like in muslim countries.
Oh and schools too...separate campuses for both of them. Like prisons!
Maybe in some part of the world there are mens hospitals were all the doctors and nurses are men and the patients are men
And there are separate womens hospitals where all the doctors and nurses are women and all the patients are women. Just so they don't talk to each other.
And in churches are for men and boys only and all the women stay home with their daughters. Just like in muslim countries.
Oh and schools too...separate campuses for both of them. Like prisons!
The other thing you can do is ..just not hug anyone.
as for living in the 'orient' (who calls it the orient???) what is shown on tv programming ANYWHERE is not what happens in real life.
In Asian countries we have a concept of saving face. This is so we don't embarass or humiliate others.
In real life God doesn't leave us naked. He gives us a covering. He tells us not to uncover the nakedness of anyone who isn't our wife or husband.
In hot countries, ok, can be maybe an issue but the gospel was spread throughout the very hot tropical pacific Island countries and they still found clothing to be modest and cool.
The Blood of Jesus covers us EVEN when we are seemingly naked and have no clothes. If you are constantly distracted by the flesh and not seeing the spirit you actually need to put that flesh to death and start believing.
Don't treat us believers like we are unbelievers. It's not going to work. If we accept Jesus put sin to death, do we keep going back to sinning and entertaining it? If you have decided to follow Jesus, why would you turn back?
as for living in the 'orient' (who calls it the orient???) what is shown on tv programming ANYWHERE is not what happens in real life.
In Asian countries we have a concept of saving face. This is so we don't embarass or humiliate others.
In real life God doesn't leave us naked. He gives us a covering. He tells us not to uncover the nakedness of anyone who isn't our wife or husband.
In hot countries, ok, can be maybe an issue but the gospel was spread throughout the very hot tropical pacific Island countries and they still found clothing to be modest and cool.
The Blood of Jesus covers us EVEN when we are seemingly naked and have no clothes. If you are constantly distracted by the flesh and not seeing the spirit you actually need to put that flesh to death and start believing.
Don't treat us believers like we are unbelievers. It's not going to work. If we accept Jesus put sin to death, do we keep going back to sinning and entertaining it? If you have decided to follow Jesus, why would you turn back?
At the hospital where I work only patients on the ward are separated. Men and women aren't together in the same room.
At the hospital where I work only patients on the ward are separated. Men and women aren't together in the same room.
Hello Lanolin;
The concept of separating men and women in society is extreme and it isn't Biblical. In Genesis 2:18-24 God specifically meant for men and women to coexist with each other on this earth for His glory.
I blue-lighted your good arguments. Why this is such an issue around the world is beyond society. This is why God's Word also emphasizes lessons of appropriate behavior and etiquette coming from the heart of men to women (we might as well include women to men) which is what we have been discussing.
When a man tells a joke and the woman doesn't laugh is better than "laughing just to be polite" is worse (saving face) especially in public. I've been in that situation in some countries - awkward.
Hello TearsOfWorship,
It is true that in the hospitals where I do visitations the men are separated from the women. I feel in America part of that is for liability reasons (fear of being sued and money loss) more so than appropriate etiquette.
God bless you both.