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That does not make sense. Every eye will see Him. Those who believe, will see Him as they know him, those who dont, will fall down in fear.
As far as I know, when Jesus returns, he returns for good.
We are in the first resurrection, of believers. We will be rewarded. The dead in christ rise, and those left with him to meet Jesus. We will reign with him in our new bodies for 1000 years. The wicked will be shut out. The second is for unbelievers and happens at the end..of 100o years where they will be judged at the throne, and then all destroyed. That is the second death. Then the new heaven and earth will be complete for eternity.

At least thats how I understand it. Before all that happens though, the antichrist will try to get their way, but Jesus will reveal who that is by the brightness of his coming and destroy the evil.

Read revelation. It shouldnt be confusing, dont try to insert a 'rapture' when there isnt one.
 
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Lanolin said:
That does not make sense. Every eye will see Him. Those who believe, will see Him as they know him, those who dont, will fall down in fear.
As far as I know, when Jesus returns, he returns for good.
We are in the first resurrection, of believers. We will be rewarded. The dead in christ rise, and those left with him to meet Jesus. We will reign with him in our new bodies for 1000 years. The wicked will be shut out. The second is for unbelievers and happens at the end..of 100o years where they will be judged at the throne, and then all destroyed. That is the second death. Then the new heaven and earth will be complete for eternity.

At least thats how I understand it. Before all that happens though, the antichrist will try to get their way, but Jesus will reveal who that is by the brightness of his coming and destroy the evil.

Read revelation. It shouldnt be confusing, dont try to insert a 'rapture' when there isnt one.
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Every eye who is on the earth will see Jesus coming. We will be with Him.

The first resurrection is the Rapture of the Church, where the dead in Christ rise from their graves and are changed, and the living will rise also, and be changed. We will be with Him forever. We will return with Him seven years later to rule with Him for 1000 years. The second death is the resurrection of unbelievers from the grave, and the living among them also, who will all receive their just reward.

Perhaps you need to study Daniel as well as Revelation. People are often confused by Revelation. You are merely denying the Rapture. It will occur, nonetheless. See you there!
 
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Euphemia said:
Yes, Jesus returns to earth after Tribulation, but He will appear to His Bride and catch her away BEFORE Tribulation. Jesus tells us that when we BEGIN to see these events occur, we are to look up, for our redemption (our completion in Him) is near! THIS is what scripture teaches us---plainly.
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Hmm... What is coming the point of the tribulation then?
 
Lanolin said:
That does not make sense. Every eye will see Him. Those who believe, will see Him as they know him, those who dont, will fall down in fear.
As far as I know, when Jesus returns, he returns for good.
We are in the first resurrection, of believers. We will be rewarded. The dead in christ rise, and those left with him to meet Jesus. We will reign with him in our new bodies for 1000 years. The wicked will be shut out. The second is for unbelievers and happens at the end..of 100o years where they will be judged at the throne, and then all destroyed. That is the second death. Then the new heaven and earth will be complete for eternity.

At least thats how I understand it. Before all that happens though, the antichrist will try to get their way, but Jesus will reveal who that is by the brightness of his coming and destroy the evil.

Read revelation. It shouldnt be confusing, dont try to insert a 'rapture' when there isnt one.
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I agree.
 
All: let's keep this about the economics. Start a new thread about the differences in the end-time events about Jesus' return. Which I may do, but I'll take me hours to write so it may not be today. I'll wait on the Lord! :eek: LOL :D Literally! :LOL:
 
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Hmm... What is coming the point of the tribulation then?
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There are seven years left allotted to the Jew, and God will be using that time to bring Israel to Himself. He will also be pouring out judgments upon the unbelieving world. Antichrist will be pouring out his hatred upon mankind and particularly Israel.

Why do you think the world will experience this particular time that Jesus warns His people, the Jews, about?
 
I believe the economics side of it has something to do with the mark of the beast. And the whose system the beast has set up, well, the kingdoms all uniting...into one currency or something like that. One curency and one religion of money.

Us christians refuse to take part in it, thats all Im saying.
 
I am thinking that the one currency will be digital currency. It is already becoming more and more prevalent, and as the world becomes more and more globalised it will just "make sense" to use only one standard for measuring currency.
 
Lanolin said:
I believe the economics side of it has something to do with the mark of the beast. And the whose system the beast has set up, well, the kingdoms all uniting...into one currency or something like that. One curency and one religion of money.

Us christians refuse to take part in it, thats all Im saying.
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We won't have to make such a choice. Unbelieving Israel will, however.
 
It will probably be some kind of credit debit system..credit cards were only introduced in the 1950s and now heaps of people play with money they technically dont have.
 
Euphemia said:
There are seven years left allotted to the Jew, and God will be using that time to bring Israel to Himself. He will also be pouring out judgments upon the unbelieving world. Antichrist will be pouring out his hatred upon mankind and particularly Israel.

Why do you think the world will experience this particular time that Jesus warns His people, the Jews, about?
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Alright, I don't have a solid definition of Tribulation. I meant the Christian persecution. Though I believe that this is the Christian persecution.
 
Juk said:
Alright, I don't have a solid definition of Tribulation. I meant the Christian persecution. Though I believe that this is the Christian persecution.
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God promises that all Christians will suffer persecution of various kinds. He doesn't promise to deliver us from it. But the Tribulation is a whole other kettle of fish and we are promised to escape it. But Israel has seven years remaining on God's time clock for them. It's all prophesied in scripture in Daniel 9. Amazing.
 
tribulation according to my dictionary means 'great distress'.
We not immune to being picked on since we christians. Satan just going to make it worse for us.
We all need to go through it. Nobody can say they ever lived in this world without having any tribulation and an easy life. One of these tribulations is the enemy stealing our land, trying to kill us in anyway possible, getting us to go on his side, hating others etc.
When it's near the end, it gets worse like the fire gets hotter. Those who endure to the end will be saved. It's like the refiners fire for Daniel.
Those unbelievers, well, they going to ultimately be singed and cast away. Because God's wrath will be upon them. One of the ways Satan causes tribulation is controlling the banks and money and jobs..to make it really hard for ppl to live and have a decent roof over their heads. If you buy in with Satan, maybe you get the easy life but at what cost? You gain the world, but lose your soul.
 
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Lanolin said:
tribulation according to my dictionary means 'great distress'.
We not immune to being picked on since we christians. Satan just going to make it worse for us.
We all need to go through it. Nobody can say they ever lived in this world without having any tribulation and an easy life. One of these tribulations is the enemy stealing our land, trying to kill us in anyway possible, getting us to go on his side, hating others etc.
When it's near the end, it gets worse like the fire gets hotter. Those who endure to the end will be saved. It's like the refiners fire for Daniel.
Those unbelievers, well, they going to ultimately be singed and cast away. Because God's wrath will be upon them. One of the ways Satan causes tribulation is controlling the banks and money and jobs..to make it really hard for ppl to live and have a decent roof over their heads. If you buy in with Satan, maybe you get the easy life but at what cost? You gain the world, but lose your soul.
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This is not the truth as the word of God teaches us. EVERYONE will suffer tribulation in this life, as God promises us such a thing. However, the Great Tribulation delineated in scripture is NOT for believers. Tribulation is not a refining tool that God is sending. It is JUDGMENT he is pouring out on the unbelieving, unrepentant world. The Church is not mentioned ONCE.
 
Mykuhl said:
I'm curious then, if the rapture is before the great tribulation then does that mean that only the church will see Him when it happens and that this is not His second coming? Otherwise there would be 2 second comings.
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Yup, those events are separate, the second coming is an event of war firstly.
 
Lanolin said:
It will probably be some kind of credit debit system..credit cards were only introduced in the 1950s and now heaps of people play with money they technically dont have.
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But you have that money, the bank gave it to you. But you owe it back to them, and so they have control over you through that credit, trust me, I know. That said the money off the final Kingdom will be something different from credit cards. I'm not sure how your current credit will be treated, but I suspect it will be better for you not to have it. Sadly I stepped squarely into this trap during the 2008 collapse and my salary ain't getting me out soon. I know this, God has me in His hands.
 
Er.. You dont have it really your just borrowed it in advance.
There will be no need need for money in the Kingdom come, as everything is given free and without price. Jesus paid it all with his precious blood.
 
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