End Times- Why Are We Goofy?
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Glomung
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Christ stated plainly that "none knows the day or hour".
There are simply not enough details in scripture to make anything more than educated guesses.
He most likely did that for a reason, to cut down on the number of last minute conversions that
liscentious people are so famous for. If you don't know when the axe will fall you need to behave yourself
all the time.
And if a person really did know the details, who would he tell? There is hardly a person on the planet who wouldn't
call him a liar or a fool to his face.
There are simply not enough details in scripture to make anything more than educated guesses.
He most likely did that for a reason, to cut down on the number of last minute conversions that
liscentious people are so famous for. If you don't know when the axe will fall you need to behave yourself
all the time.
And if a person really did know the details, who would he tell? There is hardly a person on the planet who wouldn't
call him a liar or a fool to his face.
MichaelH
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Glad someone understands that Rev 12 has already happened.
And what Prophecies might those be?
It's the Nostradamus effect, we compare things that have happened to determine if Nostradamus said something that was actually right.
We understand Scriptures first, then believe and wait on those. We don't just take random events and try to make them fit scriptures. I can tie a whole lot of things to scriptures If I do that, which is what is going on.
What are we really suppose to watch anyway?
Jesus said watch these things and pray.
1) Wars, rumors of Wars. (We have that)
2) Earthquakes in divers places (That would be depending on who you ask. CNN did a fascinating report on this though)
3) And the gospel must first be published among all nations. (We are getting close to this)
4) ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet. (A temple? Jesus did not mention Temple. Watch Israel I guess)
Some things to watch, but nothing like these End Times places tell us.
That is good, and hence why I took out "Victory in the last days" from my website name. I don't want to be a part of the End Time fanatics.
Glomung
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Several of the saints have commented on the anti-christ and his behaviors.
born in Israel of a wanton Jewess of the tribe of Dan
sets up his capitol in Jerusalem and greatly increases the size and splendor of the city
sets a statue of himself in the Holy of Holies in the newly made temple in Jerusalem
immitates Christ in most things but calls Christ an impostor
is capable of performing "wonders" such as healings and raising the dead
most Jews (and pagans) accept him as their God
strongly persecutes those who reject him
born in Israel of a wanton Jewess of the tribe of Dan
sets up his capitol in Jerusalem and greatly increases the size and splendor of the city
sets a statue of himself in the Holy of Holies in the newly made temple in Jerusalem
immitates Christ in most things but calls Christ an impostor
is capable of performing "wonders" such as healings and raising the dead
most Jews (and pagans) accept him as their God
strongly persecutes those who reject him
Hi Ixoye. Do you have scripture for the underlined?
I think the site name and idea is good. All Christians talk about these days are the end times. Life sux right now! There will always be goofy people. Your site name is not goofy.
MichaelH
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Thank you Brother King!!! However I come to find a whole lot of End time prophecy sites and as much as the end times are a cool subject with a lot of folks, I don't want to get labeled or dissapoint people when they find I don't have 14 Articles on the strange weather patterns, Proof of upcoming doom.
RiverJordan
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The problem I have with many end times "experts" (aside from the ones who set specific dates) are how everything is always "soon", "eminent", and "just around the corner". The problem is, they've been saying that since I was born, and according to my parents since they were born, and according to my grandparents, since they were born.
I think these guys would benefit from reading The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
I think these guys would benefit from reading The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
MichaelH
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If my End time Site tells you to relax, you got a few hundreds years, then you don't really have a reason to come back to find the latest concrete proof that Jesus is just minutes away. Got to tell you something to keep coming back for another 50 years, right?
your welcome Michael .. what is shown to me, does not belong to me to bury in the ground, but to invest by giving it to all ..
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Michael, I believe the problem lies in the interpretation. Some how, the "pretrib", "posttrib" interpretations that exist today have been accepted as gospel when they are just the thoughts of men. Today's end-time eschatology primarily derives its predictions from the book of revelation and the book of revelation begins by telling us that this is a "revelation" of Jesus Christ. Yet when many interpret prophecy, they divorce Jesus from it and enter into a world of speculation. Prophecy is good news and is in fact mostly positive in its forward look--when interpreted properly according to the method scripture has provided for us.
God Bless,
MoG
God Bless,
MoG
MichaelH
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I hope you don't mind me stealing this to look over. It has the Seals and trumpets at the same time which is cool because John did not write the events in any order, but the Order shown. Visions would have to be like that if your showing different events to come it would have to be written in the Order the events given, but not always in the Order the events take place.I have no idea who made this graphic, but it is an excellent map of the Book of Revelations ..
Right, Post trib does not "REALLY" take a position about when Jesus comes. They take a position of just waiting it out until the smoke clears. Each group having other reasons as a root for what they believe, and most the time it's not based on scriptures.
Paul never gave a time line for the Resurrection, a contested timing event for both groups but if you examine it clearly there is no time for the event.
Jesus should be the main focus though no matter what position you take, if Jesus is not the focus, then whatever position won't matter. I don't like at all the Preterist view as you have to make some things "Hyperbole" to explain it.
Blessings.
The Mystery of the Saints/Church ..
1Cr 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
1Cr 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Eph 3:3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief.
Eph 5:32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church
Rev 3:10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to fntest those who dwell on the earth.
Rev 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.
7th Trumpet - Consists of seven Bowl Judgements of the Wrath of God.
Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”
Rev 11:18 “And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
Rev 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.
1Cr 15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
1Cr 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Eph 3:3 that by revelation there was made known to me the mystery, as I wrote before in brief.
Eph 5:32 This mystery is great; but I am speaking with reference to Christ and the church
Rev 3:10 ‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to fntest those who dwell on the earth.
Rev 10:7 but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.
7th Trumpet - Consists of seven Bowl Judgements of the Wrath of God.
Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.”
Rev 11:18 “And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
Rev 15:1 Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous, seven angels who had seven plagues, which are the last, because in them the wrath of God is finished.
I would say Paul giving us the "last trumpet" (which is the 7th) would indeed qualify as a time frame .. as well as wrath is what we are kept from, immediately follows that .. my 2 cents
MichaelH
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The only issue I have is nothing tells us to count trumpets, The Greek reads at the last sound of the trumpet the trumpet will sound, meaning that trumpets are blown in a series of sounds or in succession and at the end or last sound we are raised up. This really does not denote a 7th Angelic trumpet, nor any scripture that points to the 7th angelic trumpet and with what Paul said.
Also the trumpet Paul mentions He calls the Trump of God, by an Archangel. Not the same as the ones that sound the events in Revelation.
Michael is mentioned in Dan 12 "At that time we are delivered" and a Archangel mentioned in Thess, but Michael name is not given, so it's an Assumption that it may be Michael at the same event of being delivered. Michael or any archangel is ever mentioned in connection with the 7 Angelic trumpets that sound events in Rev.
Hence Why I don't find the evidence conclusive to Paul's timing of trumpets with connection to Revelation because Trumpets just sound events, and they sound more than once depending on the type of warning or event. To say the last trump means the 7th angelic trumpet, and not the last sound of the trumpet after it blows a series of sounds which is mostly understood, would be premature without something telling us different.
Blessings.
Also the trumpet Paul mentions He calls the Trump of God, by an Archangel. Not the same as the ones that sound the events in Revelation.
Michael is mentioned in Dan 12 "At that time we are delivered" and a Archangel mentioned in Thess, but Michael name is not given, so it's an Assumption that it may be Michael at the same event of being delivered. Michael or any archangel is ever mentioned in connection with the 7 Angelic trumpets that sound events in Rev.
Hence Why I don't find the evidence conclusive to Paul's timing of trumpets with connection to Revelation because Trumpets just sound events, and they sound more than once depending on the type of warning or event. To say the last trump means the 7th angelic trumpet, and not the last sound of the trumpet after it blows a series of sounds which is mostly understood, would be premature without something telling us different.
Blessings.
Thanks for thissure .. here is a graphic I made ..
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