That's the purpose of His partnering with the local churches. Even the apostle Paul said he was not called to baptize... but those who partnered with him in his ministry.. did the baptizing
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That's the purpose of His partnering with the local churches. Even the apostle Paul said he was not called to baptize... but those who partnered with him in his ministry.. did the baptizing
Wonder if hes on youttube.
I know a lot of preachers can be preachers simply cos they have a loud voice. Or they are persuasive. Yet Paul would sy it wasnt his words but the Word of God through him that spoke.
I dont know about results though, maybe a lot of people went to the crusades but how many actually converted, how many were baptised? The book of acts tells us the exact number of how many were baptised the first time the gospel was preached.
it would have been good to read how many were baptised. Paul wrote that Apollos helped him baptise, and they worked as a team, but God gave the growth.
Just seem to get the impression that Mr Graham was not even emphasising baptism, and then seemd rather confused with the number of shallow converts who fell away.
loriT You said.
We need to get over this “Superstar” Christianity thinking only certain people are can do certain things. While some are anointed (concecrated) to fulfill a certain office of say an apostle, prophet, evangelist, etc. they have no more of Holy Spirit than any Spirit filled believer; all they have is more responsibility. If you have Holy Spirit, you have all the power He possesses. The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead dwells in you! I know by experience you don’t need the gifts (plural) of healing to heal anyone. You have His Spirit and His name (Jesus). That is all that is necessary.
My Response
This attitude is both good and bad.
It is good as long as you are doing EXACTLY What the Father has called you to do and not doing things because one THINKS it is good or simply sees a need.
It's bad when believers start tearing down the works of other believers because one THINKS they should have done it another way.
No ministry answers to man.
If a believer has issues with a ministry then their gripe is with the Father for He Directs their steps.
Yes we can do all these things, but if your call is in one place and you are out doing something else then all your works are not getting done what one was called to do and one will stand before the Father concerning why one did not do what He wanted.
The issue is not about who can baptize but not tearing down another because they did not do as one thought they should.
There is still order in the Kingdom of God and He still has individual plans for our life
Blessings to you and your family
We need to get over this “Superstar” Christianity thinking only certain people are can do certain things. While some are anointed (concecrated) to fulfill a certain office of say an apostle, prophet, evangelist, etc. they have no more of Holy Spirit than any Spirit filled believer; all they have is more responsibility. If you have Holy Spirit, you have all the power He possesses. The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead dwells in you! I know by experience you don’t need the gifts (plural) of healing to heal anyone. You have His Spirit and His name (Jesus). That is all that is necessary.
My Response
This attitude is both good and bad.
It is good as long as you are doing EXACTLY What the Father has called you to do and not doing things because one THINKS it is good or simply sees a need.
It's bad when believers start tearing down the works of other believers because one THINKS they should have done it another way.
No ministry answers to man.
If a believer has issues with a ministry then their gripe is with the Father for He Directs their steps.
Yes we can do all these things, but if your call is in one place and you are out doing something else then all your works are not getting done what one was called to do and one will stand before the Father concerning why one did not do what He wanted.
The issue is not about who can baptize but not tearing down another because they did not do as one thought they should.
There is still order in the Kingdom of God and He still has individual plans for our life
Blessings to you and your family
I got off topic and I think I may have been misunderstood. I don’t mean to tear down anyone; my point was we are all ministers of the gospel, not just the ones on tv or in Christian book stores. We are all called to minister and to do the works that the first disciples did, wherever we are. That’s all.
No one is tearing down others. Please dont misunderstand. If anything people become rather prideful in not acknowledging Jesus Christ and giving glory to God, as Paul says.
When people say I was saved at such and such by such and such (not naming names, but it will be someones name) they are not giving glory to God. They are not saying they are saved by Jesus, they are saying the person that told them the gospel was saving them, and all they did was agree with their spiel.
The gospel is such a precious gift becsuse it has the power of salvation, and there is more to it than just walking down an aisle. Everytime the gospel was preached in the book of Acts when people heard it the instructions were to repent and be baptised.
Paul did not put up posters advertising hear the great evangelist Paul come speak, and then boast how many people came to hear him. What did he boast of then. He actually boasted of his infirmities and being persecuted for spreading the gospel. PAul was not a 'superstar' christian that many today want to style themselves as. Paul was humble and he was even kicked out of synagogues for preaching Jesus.
When people say I was saved at such and such by such and such (not naming names, but it will be someones name) they are not giving glory to God. They are not saying they are saved by Jesus, they are saying the person that told them the gospel was saving them, and all they did was agree with their spiel.
The gospel is such a precious gift becsuse it has the power of salvation, and there is more to it than just walking down an aisle. Everytime the gospel was preached in the book of Acts when people heard it the instructions were to repent and be baptised.
Paul did not put up posters advertising hear the great evangelist Paul come speak, and then boast how many people came to hear him. What did he boast of then. He actually boasted of his infirmities and being persecuted for spreading the gospel. PAul was not a 'superstar' christian that many today want to style themselves as. Paul was humble and he was even kicked out of synagogues for preaching Jesus.
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Imagine if I preached to a crowd and got them to walk forward would I count that as a success if they just walked forward when I told them to. What if it was ten people and I was jumping around shouting at them you all sinners come and accept Jesus otherwise you wont be going to heaven. They would probably walk forward to shut me up.
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This thread is about different ways we can evangelize.
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Hi Lanolin;
Sam Wellman is a secondary source of the life of Billy Graham. Please check out Billy Graham's autobiography, Just As I Am.
I have his book.
He is the primary source. He also led thousands in prayer acceptance to Christ Jesus, he baptized, he solemnized at weddings, did processions, etc...Billy Graham was a full charge servant and Reverend of the Lord.
I hope this helps if you are interested in researching further.
God bless you and your family.
Am reading Franklin Grahams autobiography now called Rebel with a Cause. It's really interesting. I like how he calls his dad 'daddy' and his mum 'mama'
I will try to find the 'Just as I am'book. I have read a bio about Ruth his wife, again it was secondary source. It remember it was a bit dry. Franklins writing about his mama is funny, she sounds like quite a character. Because his daddy was away so much one of the caretakers of their property was like a second dad to him.
Theres another well known evangelical christian family I also liked reading about the Schaeffers. There son was called Franky. They were presbyterians too. He was also a bit of a rebel, like most 'preacher kids' are! But they turn back. Well you kind of have to if you got both parents praying. They had a chalet in Switzerland called L'abri which they opened up to invite people to learn about God. His mum was also from a chinese missionary background.
I think the thing with presybeterians is because they do infant baptism they dont emphasise full immerison baptism when they preach so, for those that werent baptised or dedicated to the Lord from childhood they have missed out on ministering to these people. Because not everyone comes from a church background, but i suppose back in those days it was different, everyone went to church whether you believed or not. Franklin mentions his born again experience but he doesnt say anything about baptism, he does say at age eight he accepted christ but couldnt remember that. he then truly turned his life over to the Lord when he was 22.
This thread is about different ways we can EVANGELIZE and NOT baptism .
Please stay on topic.
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Hi Lanolin;
I get your point, if you were shouting and forcing sinners to come to Christ, they might walk forward just to appease you. lol!
Seriously, if they walked forward, its because you wouldn't be silent or sugar coat, but be a beacon for Christ.
When Jesus preached at the Mount He was encouraging us to be a Light to the World. In Matthew 5:14-16, 14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
Evangelism needs our light when we share the Gospel to others. But, if we hide our light, or don't "shout" to others for the Lord;
By being quiet when we should speak, or just going along with the crowd, or not explaining our light to others, or ignoring the needs of others, then our evangelism will not reach the unreached for Christ.
we should not shut our light off from the rest of the world because Jesus empowers us to be a beacon. A beacon is intentionally an obvious object designed to attract attention. Being a beacon of Truth is profound.
God bless you and your family.
Hmm I dont think its about shouting its shining your light there is a difference. A light doesnt speak, its just light. jesus talked about our good works, which we do while sharing the gospel. Its not about literally 'shouting' it.
For example, the muslims have a call to prayer five times a day. Apparently that is real noisy and people just stop what they doing and bow down. But I dont think thats what Jesus meant. We can speak in the to gues of men or of angels but if we lack love, we are just a noisy gong or cymbal.
Many people can be real noisy and beat the drums that get everyone all excited yet taccomplish nothing at all. Its not about who shouts the loudest. Its who shines the brightest.
I didnt say anything about NOT speaking. But there is a difference between speaking God's word and just shouting.
For example, the muslims have a call to prayer five times a day. Apparently that is real noisy and people just stop what they doing and bow down. But I dont think thats what Jesus meant. We can speak in the to gues of men or of angels but if we lack love, we are just a noisy gong or cymbal.
Many people can be real noisy and beat the drums that get everyone all excited yet taccomplish nothing at all. Its not about who shouts the loudest. Its who shines the brightest.
I didnt say anything about NOT speaking. But there is a difference between speaking God's word and just shouting.
Dear brothers and sisters,
There is a difference between literal and spiritual. Literally, shouting, "shining our light" and speaking can be separated emotionally, but spiritually, all equates to praising God. We as believers should not limit the Light, rather, in everything that gives breath equates to praising God, in the Spirit.
Ezra the great scribe taught God's people one of his many teachings. Scholars believe he is the writer in Psalm 119 after the temple was built. In John, Jesus teaches that when we are in the light we have that two way connection with God when we speak and shout, all in the Light. Please read and meditate;
Ezra 3:11, And they sang responsively, praising and giving thanks to the Lord, “For he is good, for his steadfast love endures forever toward Israel.” And all the people shouted with a great shout when they praised the Lord, because the foundation of the house of the Lord was laid.
Luke 19:37-40, 37 As he was drawing near—already on the way down the Mount of Olives—the whole multitude of his disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen, 38 saying, “Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!” 39 And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.”40 He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.”
John 8:28, 28 So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.
Psalm 119:130, 130 The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple.
God bless you all.
There is a difference between literal and spiritual. Literally, shouting, "shining our light" and speaking can be separated emotionally, but spiritually, all equates to praising God. We as believers should not limit the Light, rather, in everything that gives breath equates to praising God, in the Spirit.
Ezra the great scribe taught God's people one of his many teachings. Scholars believe he is the writer in Psalm 119 after the temple was built. In John, Jesus teaches that when we are in the light we have that two way connection with God when we speak and shout, all in the Light. Please read and meditate;
Ezra 3:11, And they sang responsively, praising and giving thanks to the Lord, “For he is good, for his steadfast love endures forever toward Israel.” And all the people shouted with a great shout when they praised the Lord, because the foundation of the house of the Lord was laid.
Luke 19:37-40, 37 As he was drawing near—already on the way down the Mount of Olives—the whole multitude of his disciples began to rejoice and praise God with a loud voice for all the mighty works that they had seen, 38 saying, “Blessed is the King who comes in the name of the Lord! Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!” 39 And some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples.”40 He answered, “I tell you, if these were silent, the very stones would cry out.”
John 8:28, 28 So Jesus said to them, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me.
Psalm 119:130, 130 The unfolding of your words gives light; it imparts understanding to the simple.
God bless you all.
Honing in back to the original topic, Evangelism Say What, evangelism can be defined in various testimonies, which is the point to this thread. I see this as a benefit because its about learning from one another in our walk with Jesus. Our experiences of evangelism may come from brothers and sisters from another city, country and culture.
When we touched on the light, it is imperative because being in the light is being impowered by the Holy Spirit. If just "winging it", then how are we going to use this ministry to bring others to Christ Jesus?
Evangelizing in San Francisco to Auckland, to India to Michigan is going to have a different testimony but at the end of the day it's about bringing one more person to Christ Jesus.
God bless you all and your families.
When we touched on the light, it is imperative because being in the light is being impowered by the Holy Spirit. If just "winging it", then how are we going to use this ministry to bring others to Christ Jesus?
Evangelizing in San Francisco to Auckland, to India to Michigan is going to have a different testimony but at the end of the day it's about bringing one more person to Christ Jesus.
God bless you all and your families.
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Teddy
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by Tony Miano
Evangelism is the announcement, proclamation, and/or preaching of the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), the good news of and about Jesus Christ. Therefore, the gospel is a communicated message—communicated in verbal (Luke 7:22; Romans 10:14-17) and/or written (Luke 1:1-4) form.
The English word “evangelism” comes from the Greek word euaggelion. Most literally translated in the noun form, euaggelion means: “gospel” or “good news.” In the verb form (euaggelizesthai), the meaning of the word changes slightly to “announce” or “bring good news.” The Greek word in its various forms appears fifty-five times in the New Testament. In addition to the before-mentioned translations, the Greek word is also translated as “preach.”
Evangelism, the communication of the gospel message, includes a warning, an explanation, and a call. Evangelism includes warning people about sin and the consequences of sin (John 16:8; Acts 24:25; Revelation 20:11-15). It includes an explanation of God’s remedy for sin—the gospel (Acts 8:29-35; Romans 3:21-26; 2 Corinthians 5:21). And it includes the clear call to repent (to turn from sin and to turn toward God) and believe the gospel, by faith (Mark 1:15; Luke 13:1-5; Acts 17:29-31; Romans 1:17; Romans 10:9-13).
Evangelism is the announcement, proclamation, and/or preaching of the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4), the good news of and about Jesus Christ. Therefore, the gospel is a communicated message—communicated in verbal (Luke 7:22; Romans 10:14-17) and/or written (Luke 1:1-4) form.
The English word “evangelism” comes from the Greek word euaggelion. Most literally translated in the noun form, euaggelion means: “gospel” or “good news.” In the verb form (euaggelizesthai), the meaning of the word changes slightly to “announce” or “bring good news.” The Greek word in its various forms appears fifty-five times in the New Testament. In addition to the before-mentioned translations, the Greek word is also translated as “preach.”
Evangelism, the communication of the gospel message, includes a warning, an explanation, and a call. Evangelism includes warning people about sin and the consequences of sin (John 16:8; Acts 24:25; Revelation 20:11-15). It includes an explanation of God’s remedy for sin—the gospel (Acts 8:29-35; Romans 3:21-26; 2 Corinthians 5:21). And it includes the clear call to repent (to turn from sin and to turn toward God) and believe the gospel, by faith (Mark 1:15; Luke 13:1-5; Acts 17:29-31; Romans 1:17; Romans 10:9-13).
Thank you for sharing, Teddy;
Tony Miano is a chaplain, missionary and author of and a contributing writer on CARM - Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry, Matt Slick is the founder and president.
God bless you and your family.
I would say shouting i.e praising God in worship is a different thing from evangelism which is announcing or preaching the gospel message. Its getting the Word out.
Some methods of evangelism- radio, tv, newspapers, tracts. One cool invention Jesus did not have in his day is the microphone. So you can just speak normally and dont have to literally shout.
You know what people say they fear the most? It isnt spiders or heights or being eaten by crocodiles. Its public speaking. However when the holy spirit gives you utterance, theres nothing that can stop you and you can proclaim the gospel with boldness.
Some methods of evangelism- radio, tv, newspapers, tracts. One cool invention Jesus did not have in his day is the microphone. So you can just speak normally and dont have to literally shout.
You know what people say they fear the most? It isnt spiders or heights or being eaten by crocodiles. Its public speaking. However when the holy spirit gives you utterance, theres nothing that can stop you and you can proclaim the gospel with boldness.