Silk,I detest when Rusty and I disagree, as much as when you and I disagree Bill. It does make me question. But I know you and he are both men of God, who love him. He has forgiven me for when I am wrong but in this - I don't think I am. I have more scripture but I prefer ( as you have noted, I care for what I see as the "heart" of scripture as to the single shots posted) simply to disagree with you about judgement.
Thanks Rumely.I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, really. First, all references to God's "presence" are not simply mapping out coordinates where God "is" and where He "isn't." Some references are more metaphorical than others. Where His eyes are in relation to His body (does God even have eyes or a body, being spirit, unless you're talking about Jesus?) seems like a pointless discussion to me as I have never read that as a literal description of an identifiable location of either eyes or body. I know even with my physical, temporal limitations, I can see lots of things, including stars many light-years away without my eyes actually being anywhere near what I am seeing.
In my opinion, if there are places where God "isn't", it is because He Himself withholds His presence or influence from that place, not that He is physically unable to occupy that space or exert His will there.
That sounds right to me.th1Bill Posts: Of course the Atheist and many, calling the name of the Christ, have been fast to toss the Monkey Wrench into this. They, Christian and Atheist alike go to Gen 6:1, claiming the Sons of God refers to Fallen Angels. And here again it took me months upon months to settle the issue to my satisfaction. But in the story of the murder of Able by Cain coupled with the life of Seth I found the answer with a good deal of extra-biblical study. The Sons of Seth, the Godly linage of man, to the Ancient Jew was known as the Sons of God and the sons of Cain were known as the sons of Man, and the daughters of each were known as were their brothers.
I never thought of that before and it certainly sounds good. But after the flood, only Sons of God carried on? (while Cain's bloodline may have been carried on thru the wives of Noah's 3 sons?)
That sounds right to me.
Mat_7:1
Do not judge, that you may not be judged;
Silk........did you know that this verse is the #1 quoted verse by non-believers..Matt.7:1.
Now we must ask why that is???
Because it allows them to escape accountability to God. The un-believer is guilty and does not want to here about it.
The verses on judging do not say what we think they say. The Bible actually commands us to judge and Matt. 7:1 is fully consistant with the rest of the Bible.
Read 7:1-5 to get the proper understand from the Lord Jesus.
OK. Even if you don’t go with them,with those old manuscript as it is also supported in other verse.
And this time I won’t believe to the person I heard since I’m not yet a member of his group.
But I would believe in
( Acts 17:24) “God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;”
It is contrary to God is everywhere, the word “everywhere” Again, I was talking of the word everywhere. The verse says he does not dwell in temples made with hands. Then is it right to say he is everywhere? meaning He is in everyplace? meaning those temples are belong.Explain.
plus it just been written
God is not in a place where there are evil strife and envy.
(James 3:16, 15) “For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.”
“This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.”
Is he in that place? The verse said it is in evil. Then our we going to disgrace the God of the Bible in saying he is in everyplace?everywhere? Explain.
Your error here is in taking the single verse out of it's context and you can't do that to the Word of God. Let's look for just a second at that word, context. Without the books of what folks term, the Old Testament, the New Testament is meaningless. This is important to remember because of the first rule I learned of Hermeneutics... No single scripture nor any grouping of scripture can ever be fully or correctly understood without the light of all other scripture shinning on it or them.OK. Even if you don’t go with them,with those old manuscript as it is also supported in other verse.
And this time I won’t believe to the person I heard since I’m not yet a member of his group.
But I would believe in
( Acts 17:24) “God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;”
It is contrary to God is everywhere, the word “everywhere” Again, I was talking of the word everywhere. The verse says he does not dwell in temples made with hands. Then is it right to say he is everywhere? meaning He is in everyplace? meaning those temples are belong.Explain.
plus it just been written
God is not in a place where there are evil strife and envy.
(James 3:16, 15) “For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.”
“This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.”
Is he in that place? The verse said it is in evil. Then our we going to disgrace the God of the Bible in saying he is in everyplace?everywhere? Explain.
Silk,Maybe Major, because people are tired of being judged by people who have as many sins to their souls as they? I dunno, maybe people are tired of giving their $$ to preachers who patronize whores and air condition their dog houses. Just saying. Mayhaps it's time we realize that God loves us all and we should actually help those of us in water over our heads? I am sick to death of other so- called "christians" warming their hands on the demise of burnt and broken believers. I am sick to death of the "I am the better Christian" competition! It will be the death of us all.
Silk,
you are opening another can of worms that should never be thrown around like you just did. First of all, about 98% of the Church Membership will be in service the first Sunday after the Rapture and they might not even notice that the Rapture has occurred. This contest was begun by yourself when you tried to prove yourself a better Christian than the old rag, Bill.
Now that you have put the spoon into the pot your feeling put upon and we didn't do it. You attempted to move away, it seemed, from the Sermon on the Mount when I began and Major continued to explain to you that the context of verse 1 of chapter 7 was only the beginning of the paragraph and Major built on the truth of the matter by pointing you towards the truth of the teaching by explaining that the first paragraph was just the beginning of that chapter.
None of us have hit you with the one upmanship you claim to be going on now. What is happening, right now is love in action. Just as my attempt to restrain any young Christian or baby Christian from learning errant theology and then living by it, go to Hell and just as the statement about the two non-Christian cults set you off, in error to correct me, Major, I and the moderator, Rumley are simply trying to keep folks pointed to the Heavenly Highway.
Nobody has sought to be better than you, you have just wandered off into the midst of a handful of Bible Teachers trying to help you. God bless.
Maybe Major, because people are tired of being judged by people who have as many sins to their souls as they? I dunno, maybe people are tired of giving their $$ to preachers who patronize whores and air condition their dog houses. Just saying. Mayhaps it's time we realize that God loves us all and we should actually help those of us in water over our heads? I am sick to death of other so- called "christians" warming their hands on the demise of burnt and broken believers. I am sick to death of the "I am the better Christian" competition! It will be the death of us all.
Maybe Major, because people are tired of being judged by people who have as many sins to their souls as they? I dunno, maybe people are tired of giving their $$ to preachers who patronize whores and air condition their dog houses. Just saying. Mayhaps it's time we realize that God loves us all and we should actually help those of us in water over our heads? I am sick to death of other so- called "christians" warming their hands on the demise of burnt and broken believers. I am sick to death of the "I am the better Christian" competition! It will be the death of us all.
Mat_7:1
Do not judge, that you may not be judged;