God told me not to do something, and I disobeyed. But He was still faithful.

Abdicate said:
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I don't have a degree in anything but technology. If I have anything Special, it's solely the Lord Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Holy Spirit - when I listen :)
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Oh, I thought it was you who said God told to become a pastor at 13.
 
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Nope... not I :) I got saved at 11. It's funny, I remember that moment in vivid detail, but I couldn't tell you what I had for lunch :p
 
Juk said:
How did it happen?
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My stepmother was witnessing to me. I was catholic and couldn't get past the beliefs I had. We talked for 3 hours about them. At 12:30 am, I relinquished the beliefs I had, and asked the Lord Jesus into my heart. When I prayed, I felt Him enter. It was like something I cannot even now all these year later put into words. It was such joy that even typing about it brings back the sensation. Truly joy unspeakable. Something baptists don't talk about or believe, but I kept it in my heart. Then when I was 22, I was crying out for more of God, and He sent a woman to our church of 12 who spoke on the power of the Holy Spirit. God heard my cry just like the Macedonian to Paul, she was told to come to our church. When I went to her home to meet with her husband, we prayed and worshiped the Lord and with one praising the Lord in front of me and the other behind me, both with one hand raised in worship and the other on my chest and back, I had a swelling deep in my chest that was coming up my throat and when I let it out, these wonderful words poured out as I worshiped the Lord with 100 times more presence than when I got saved. My eyes were closed and I felt a warm oil being poured on my head and I was just shouting for joy. I thought they were doing it to me as was part of this process, but when a lot of time passed, but seemed like seconds, the Presence brought rest and I could relax, I went to fix my hair, thinking it must be a mess from the oil, and it was DRY! I asked them about it and they just looked at each other and shouted for joy! So I did too! Then as we were sitting on the sofa in peace, the husband just said out of the blue, "I wonder why God spoke everything into existence." And without hesitation I said, "Because like an arrow, words have their own power." I was amazed because I hadn't given it any thought! God just put it on my lips! Glory to God!!!
 
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Abdicate said:
My stepmother was witnessing to me. I was catholic and couldn't get past the beliefs I had. We talked for 3 hours about them. At 12:30 am, I relinquished the beliefs I had, and asked the Lord Jesus into my heart. When I prayed, I felt Him enter. It was like something I cannot even now all these year later put into words. It was such joy that even typing about it brings back the sensation. Truly joy unspeakable. Something baptists don't talk about or believe, but I kept it in my heart. Then when I was 22, I was crying out for more of God, and He sent a woman to our church of 12 who spoke on the power of the Holy Spirit. God heard my cry just like the Macedonian to Paul, she was told to come to our church. When I went to her home to meet with her husband, we prayed and worshiped the Lord and with one praising the Lord in front of me and the other behind me, both with one hand raised in worship and the other on my chest and back, I had a swelling deep in my chest that was coming up my throat and when I let it out, these wonderful words poured out as I worshiped the Lord with 100 times more presence than when I got saved. My eyes were closed and I felt a warm oil being poured on my head and I was just shouting for joy. I thought they were doing it to me as was part of this process, but when a lot of time passed, but seemed like seconds, the Presence brought rest and I could relax, I went to fix my hair, thinking it must be a mess from the oil, and it was DRY! I asked them about it and they just looked at each other and shouted for joy! So I did too! Then as we were sitting on the sofa in peace, the husband just said out of the blue, "I wonder why God spoke everything into existence." And without hesitation I said, "Because like an arrow, words have their own power." I was amazed because I hadn't given it any thought! God just put it on my lips! Glory to God!!!
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Man, I wish I would have gotten saved like that. I was scared into being saved by a youtuber who was making her viewers think that the end was tomorrow (exaggeration). I was grown up into Christianity, but I came to Christ only in November. I felt nothing special. I am glad I got saved, though. :)
 
Juk said:
Man, I wish I would have gotten saved like that. I was scared into being saved by a youtuber who was making her viewers think that the end was tomorrow (exaggeration). I was grown up into Christianity, but I came to Christ only in November. I felt nothing special. I am glad I got saved, though. :)
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Then you had more trust than I did. You believe without "confirmation". Good for you!
 
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Then you had more trust than I did. You believe without "confirmation". Good for you!
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Thank you! But I get my confirmation from believers like you, the amazing accuracy of the Bible, and the fact that God spoke to me in a dream once. He also spoke to me through a quickening in my Spirit, something I never felt in my life before. It happened twice.
 
Francis Drake said:
The "word" is most certainly applied to our hearts by the Holy Spirit, but that does not mean the bible. Everything that I have described happening to me happened because of my relationship with God, not my relationship with the bible, KJV or any other version.

Citizen, just to make sure that we are not talking at cross purposes, is it your belief that "the word of God" refers to the scriptures (ie. as in KJV), because that is what it seems when I read this and your previous comment?

And as for your last question, I plead guilty. I am one of those nasty persons that believes that God speaks personally to him, God's Spirit to my own human spirit. How else do we know him?
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Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men unexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of His will, which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal Himself, and to declare that His will unto His Church; and afterwards for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the Church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which makes the Holy Scripture to be most necessary; those former ways of God's revealing His will unto His people being now ceased.

Galatians Chapter 1
Verse 9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
citizen said:
Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men unexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of His will, which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal Himself, and to declare that His will unto His Church; and afterwards for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the Church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which makes the Holy Scripture to be most necessary; those former ways of God's revealing His will unto His people being now ceased.

Galatians Chapter 1
Verse 9: As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
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Do I now stand accused of preaching another gospel Citizen? I have been accused of many such daft things before, so I am quite used to it. And what relevance has the Westminster Confession got to do with our conversation?

However you haven't answer my previous question so if you don't mind clarifying it I shall ask again.-
Citizen, just to make sure that we are not talking at cross purposes, is it your belief that "the word of God" refers to the scriptures (ie. as in KJV), because that is what it seems when I read this and your previous comment?

Citizen, you are obviously indignant that someone says he hears God speak.
Just thought you should read this from Hebrews3.-
7So, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you hear his voice, 8do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the wilderness,
9where your ancestors tested and tried me, though for forty years they saw what I did.
10That is why I was angry with that generation; I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.’
11So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”
12See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end. 15As has just been said:
“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion.”
16Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?
17And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?
18And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed?
19So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief...................................
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........6Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”

If hearing the voice of God speaking today is so wrong, what on earth does this mean? We are warned three times about hardness of heart towards hearing the voice of God today!
 
Juk said:
But God DOES do that. He has spoken to me at least twice, once through a dream and once through a quickening in my spirit. He has also told people to be ordained as pastors, as I think He told Abdicate. Ever heard of the Book of Revelation?
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Dear Juk, God no longer gives special revelation, talks to believers, or makes His will known through dreams. This ALL finsished when the Word of God was completed in written form. The ONLY way that man, in this age, is able to know the will of God is via the scriptures.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Juk, please go to this site: http://bible-truth.org/norevtod.htm
 
Francis Drake said:
Do I now stand accused of preaching another gospel Citizen? I have been accused of many such daft things before, so I am quite used to it. And what relevance has the Westminster Confession got to do with our conversation?

However you haven't answer my previous question so if you don't mind clarifying it I shall ask again.-
Citizen, just to make sure that we are not talking at cross purposes, is it your belief that "the word of God" refers to the scriptures (ie. as in KJV), because that is what it seems when I read this and your previous comment?

Citizen, you are obviously indignant that someone says he hears God speak.
Just thought you should read this from Hebrews3.-
7So, as the Holy Spirit says:
“Today, if you hear his voice, 8do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion, during the time of testing in the wilderness,
9where your ancestors tested and tried me, though for forty years they saw what I did.
10That is why I was angry with that generation; I said, ‘Their hearts are always going astray, and they have not known my ways.’
11So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’ ”
12See to it, brothers and sisters, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end. 15As has just been said:
“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion.”
16Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt?
17And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies perished in the wilderness?
18And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed?
19So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief...................................
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Hebrews4..........
........6Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, 7God again set a certain day, calling it “Today.” This he did when a long time later he spoke through David, as in the passage already quoted:
“Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.”

If hearing the voice of God speaking today is so wrong, what on earth does this mean? We are warned three times about hardness of heart towards hearing the voice of God today!
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How are we warned? By special revelation or by The Holy Spirit speaking though the Scriptures, the written Word of God.
I will ask this: Are you of Pentecostal or Charismatic doctrinal belief?
 
citizen said:
Dear Juk, God no longer gives special revelation, talks to believers, or makes His will known through dreams. This ALL finsished when the Word of God was completed in written form. The ONLY way that man, in this age, is able to know the will of God is via the scriptures.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Juk, please go to this site: http://bible-truth.org/norevtod.htm
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God still guides people in their life. Of course God does not tell anyone things that would be worthy of being put in the Bible, because the Bible is already complete. But God still does talk. I know this to be true.
 
citizen said:
Dear Juk, God no longer gives special revelation, talks to believers, or makes His will known through dreams. This ALL finsished when the Word of God was completed in written form. The ONLY way that man, in this age, is able to know the will of God is via the scriptures.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Juk, please go to this site: http://bible-truth.org/norevtod.htm
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Juk, before you listen to Citizen, may I suggest that you read the scriptures in my previous comment above, as taken from Hebrews. See how much his tradition completely contradicts the meaning of the scriptures, just like the Pharisees did.
Hardness of heart against the voice of God is a dangerous position to hold.
 
Francis Drake said:
Juk, before you listen to Citizen, may I suggest that you read the scriptures in my previous comment above, as taken from Hebrews. See how much his tradition completely contradicts the meaning of the scriptures, just like the Pharisees did.
Hardness of heart against the voice of God is a dangerous position to hold.
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I know that God speaks to us because He has spoken to me at least twice.
 
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