Have you heard of the JS translation? Probably not.

Major said:
Speaking of the gold plate, According to Robert N. Hullinger, the eight witnesses.............

“claimed no revelation. No “voice” declared to them that the “work is true.” No “power of God” showed them the plates—just Joseph Smith. No “angel of God” laid the plates before them; no “voice of the Lord” told them to testify of what they saw… However, the eight did claim revelation in their conversations with others. When David Marks stopped at the Whitmers on March 1830, the eight witnesses “affirmed, that an angel had showed them certain plates of metal, having the appearance of gold that were dug out of the ground by one Joseph Smith.” They explained to Mark’s certain basic points about the Book of Mormon and its contents but claimed to have viewed the plates in vision only” .

Source....Hullinger, R. 1992. Joseph Smith’s Response to Skepticism. p. 133.

So what that literally means is that NO ONE verified what Mr. Smith claimed to have seen and done.
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There was even many versions of just who spoke to good ole Joseph, as some stated was the Father, others just Jesus, other both, some saw and heard nothing, Guess Joseph told so many lies could not keep his story straight
 
YeshuaFan said:
There was even many versions of just who spoke to good ole Joseph, as some stated was the Father, others just Jesus, other both, some saw and heard nothing, Guess Joseph told so many lies could not keep his story straight
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There was also the story that the angel Gaberial gave the tablets to him.
 
BibleLover said:
I don't know if Muhammad's cave story is true, but Islam in any case was created by the devil as an ingenious vehicle to support Arab imperialism as evidenced by history.
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Hello BibleLover;

I have heard more than once that the man Muhammad dwelled in a cave on Mount Hira. This is where the archangel Gabriel supposedly appeared to him which I seriously don't believe.

Contrary to Gabriel appearing to Mary has more substance and fulfills the Old Testament prophecy and the end result being the visible testimony of Jesus Christ to the people. The Gospel brought more glory to God and His persecution on the Cross.

Centuries later Muhammad revealed the Quran by God's instruction but it brought a bleak attitude of grim thought and spiritual darkness that takes away God's glory.

God bless you.

Bob
 
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