Inevitable accompaniments.

[Lanolin]

Christian faith in a nutshell is not things the believer does or doesn't. It is more about objective facts that the apostles were commissioned: that Christ's resurrection was actually his enthronement; that it was also the proof that Christ's suffering had justified us from our sins; that this earth is the Lord's since creation; that the Father will smash the enemies of His Son one day.

Maybe the most useful of these is that Christ is our righteousness that justifies us from our sins.

That is the gospel..we must believe

How you choose to live out the gospel is what you need to learn to navigate in your relationship with Jesus. For a lot of people today, technology is a tool we can use to help us, (or hinder) a two-edged sword if you like..can cut both ways.

If you think the Amish are somehow more Christian because they shun technology then you might be surprised to learn even the Amish have their weaknesses and temptations.

 

[Decoder]

That is the gospel..we must believe

How you choose to live out the gospel is what you need to learn to navigate in your relationship with Jesus. For a lot of people today, technology is a tool we can use to help us, (or hinder) a two-edged sword if you like..can cut both ways.

If you think the Amish are somehow more Christian because they shun technology then you might be surprised to learn even the Amish have their weaknesses and temptations.

Look a little closer. The historic facts of the Gospel are acts of God in Christ. They are not things we "live out." I have no idea what various tolerances of technology has to do with the 4 examples I gave...

 

[Oblio]

Act justly...walk humbly...love mercy...faith in Christ, in my understanding, is a journey, as the word is.
Repentance, in my understanding, is an attitude of the heart, that I walk through life with.
Being basically house-bound to my multiple illnesses and injuries, my life is mostly online. My only Christian fellowship is online. I struggled with it for a while, but I've more or less accepted it. What I live could be an addiction for some. I have a love-hate relationship with the internet. But it's not forever.

 

[crossnote]

The mind of Christ isn't mentioned in detail in Gods word. It's something that is known by experiencing it. Once we experience a conscious contact with our creator it becomes priority one to hold onto it. We soon realize holding onto the mind of Christ is like holding water in the palm of our hand, by ourselves it's not possible. So we gravitate towards not allowing things to enter our minds that push out the mind of Christ , even for 5 or 10 minutes.

Seems to me taking in of God's Word as newborn creatures is a good way to be conformed to the mind of Christ...

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12:1-2

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 1 Peter 2:2

 

[Lanolin]

Look a little closer. The historic facts of the Gospel are acts of God in Christ. They are not things we "live out." I have no idea what various tolerances of technology has to do with the 4 examples I gave...

oh you seem to misunderstand I guess you don't know as you have no idea so just won't try to explain it to you what being born again means....cos we were talking about technology and how that can help or hinder us spread the gospel.

Also someone mentioned temptation (dark side) taking away from focus on Christ so things like internet pornography, and ungodly messages in music, on film etc.

So even without all that present in everyday life or potential exposure there are STILL going to be other temptations to deal with. Even if you live without it like the Amish do...and probably have some other temptation to be self-righteous and think you are better than others cos you aren't consumed with tech in the same way. But there's probably incest and adultery and idolatry and whatever amongst even those people...despite being 'sheltered' and off the grid.

 

[faither]

Seems to me taking in of God's Word as newborn creatures is a good way to be conformed to the mind of Christ...

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Romans 12:1-2

As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby: 1 Peter 2:2

What "word" would Peter be speaking of here? Our perspective of the word today wouldn't be the same as Peters back then.

I think this verse should be looked at more closely.

The mind of Christ is an inevitable accompaniment of receiving the Spirit of Christ. We recieve the Spirit of Christ by a continually surrendered life. The life lived in that state of being is a new chapter in Gods word, our own epistle, hopefully a teaching for others.

 

[Decoder]

oh you seem to misunderstand I guess you don't know as you have no idea so just won't try to explain it to you what being born again means....cos we were talking about technology and how that can help or hinder us spread the gospel.

Also someone mentioned temptation (dark side) taking away from focus on Christ so things like internet pornography, and ungodly messages in music, on film etc.

So even without all that present in everyday life or potential exposure there are STILL going to be other temptations to deal with. Even if you live without it like the Amish do...and probably have some other temptation to be self-righteous and think you are better than others cos you aren't consumed with tech in the same way. But there's probably incest and adultery and idolatry and whatever amongst even those people...despite being 'sheltered' and off the grid.

The expression that might be blocking you from what the NT calls the Gospel is 'how we live out the Gospel.' It is not something we can do, because the Gospel was a historic event in which God accomplished certain things in Christ that justify us from our sins. "Many preachers speak as though we came offering a new patent medicine. Actually, we have a set of facts we are trying to put across to our listeners, which may or may not be 'help' for them"--C. S. Lewis, "Man Or Rabbit?"

Meanwhile there are certain things we can do to help with temptation, for sure. 'Work out your salvation.' You can have partners who cross-check what websites you have used, etc. You should in general be 'dead to sin' because 'why would take delight in that which formerly enslaved us?' Rom 6:2. In 14 we see that because of grace, sin does not have 'mastery' of us. "For we are no longer under the Law."

"Grace" here is not a 'changed life' but rather the cause of the changed life. We love because he first loved us; we sacrifice because he sacrificed for us.

 

[Decoder]

oh you seem to misunderstand I guess you don't know as you have no idea so just won't try to explain it to you what being born again means....cos we were talking about technology and how that can help or hinder us spread the gospel.

Also someone mentioned temptation (dark side) taking away from focus on Christ so things like internet pornography, and ungodly messages in music, on film etc.

So even without all that present in everyday life or potential exposure there are STILL going to be other temptations to deal with. Even if you live without it like the Amish do...and probably have some other temptation to be self-righteous and think you are better than others cos you aren't consumed with tech in the same way. But there's probably incest and adultery and idolatry and whatever amongst even those people...despite being 'sheltered' and off the grid.

The expression "being born again" can also make us think too subjectively, to place too much weight on our own experience of it. It is best to dwell on those passages that define the cause and effect of grace and transformation to each other. Rom 6 is prob the best. There are some others. In Titus 2 we are told of the historic event of the coming of the grace of God, and then the effect: this set us free from sin. In Titus 3, he does it again. This time he mentions that the new birth washes us first. But after that he uses the type of past tense verb about 'having been justified by faith' (before or above that new birth effect) as the cause of our changes.

 

[crossnote]

What "word" would Peter be speaking of here? Our perspective of the word today wouldn't be the same as Peters back then.

I think this verse should be looked at more closely.

The mind of Christ is an inevitable accompaniment of receiving the Spirit of Christ. We recieve the Spirit of Christ by a continually surrendered life. The life lived in that state of being is a new chapter in Gods word, our own epistle, hopefully a teaching for others.

This word…

James 1:18 NASB
[18] In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

and it‘s not dependent on the perspective of differing cultures. It works independently of fallen man.

A surrendered life comes about as a result of the new birth and growing in grace.

 

[faither]

This word…

James 1:18 NASB
[18] In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.

and it‘s not dependent on the perspective of differing cultures. It works independently of fallen man.

A surrendered life comes about as a result of the new birth and growing in grace

A "continually" surrendered life Is how NT saving Faith is defined. It starts the walk as a response to the call of the Father. Maintains the walk as our surrendered life is being perfected. And completes the walk here on earth by becoming His finished product.

The more one realizes the continual surrender to Him is producing a relationship with Him, the more we will want to continue "in Faith" or surrender. The surrendered life stops, salvation stops. Responding with "believing" what He did, said, and promises, salvation never started.

 

[crossnote]

A "continually" surrendered life Is how NT saving Faith is defined. It starts the walk as a response to the call of the Father. Maintains the walk as our surrendered life is being perfected. And completes the walk here on earth by becoming His finished product.

The more one realizes the continual surrender to Him is producing a relationship with Him, the more we will want to continue "in Faith" or surrender. The surrendered life stops, salvation stops. Responding with "believing" what He did, said, and promises, salvation never started.

Can you show me any Scripture that uses the concept that believers are 'to surrender' to God as an ongoing process?
I know Scripture states we are to 'present' ourselves to God (the picture being military in presenting oneself for service)...

Romans 12:1 (KJV) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

 

[Major]

What "word" would Peter be speaking of here? Our perspective of the word today wouldn't be the same as Peters back then.

I think this verse should be looked at more closely.

The mind of Christ is an inevitable accompaniment of receiving the Spirit of Christ. We recieve the Spirit of Christ by a continually surrendered life. The life lived in that state of being is a new chapter in Gods word, our own epistle, hopefully a teaching for others.

Peter is speaking of " the milk of the word," the word being the gospel.

You said............
"The mind of Christ is an inevitable accompaniment of receiving the Spirit of Christ".

If you are suggesting that having the mind of Christ is the same as being indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and both are attained through faith at the moment of salvation as seen in Romans 5:1-2; Acts 2:38, then I agree.

1 Corinthians 2:16 ...........
“For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

However, we also still have the old mind. We still give in to the lure of sin. We may also be hindered by false doctrines or choose to use our freedom in unhealthy ways. This is why Paul exhorts the Roman believers in Romans 12:2.........
"I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect".

Our minds need to be consistently renewed, moving away from the mind of the flesh and into the mind of Christ. Ultimately, all who have the mind of Christ, those who belong to God, will be sanctified, or changed by the new program that has been installed by the Holy Spirit a.

 

[Major]

The expression that might be blocking you from what the NT calls the Gospel is 'how we live out the Gospel.' It is not something we can do, because the Gospel was a historic event in which God accomplished certain things in Christ that justify us from our sins. "Many preachers speak as though we came offering a new patent medicine. Actually, we have a set of facts we are trying to put across to our listeners, which may or may not be 'help' for them"--C. S. Lewis, "Man Or Rabbit?"

Meanwhile there are certain things we can do to help with temptation, for sure. 'Work out your salvation.' You can have partners who cross-check what websites you have used, etc. You should in general be 'dead to sin' because 'why would take delight in that which formerly enslaved us?' Rom 6:2. In 14 we see that because of grace, sin does not have 'mastery' of us. "For we are no longer under the Law."

"Grace" here is not a 'changed life' but rather the cause of the changed life. We love because he first loved us; we sacrifice because he sacrificed for us.

Good stuff!

Keep up the good work!!!!

 

[Lanolin]

decoder
whens someone says its an apple and you insist they said it was an orange and then explain its an apple again you confuse everyone.

I did not say anything about a changed life. Jesus changes your life around not you without Him you can't do anything. He gives you the grace to do so.

When you keep insisting the reverse when nobody has ever said that I think you must have some problems reading. Please don't sow confusion like that. It might make you appear smarter when you diminish everyone else's contributions to the discussion but often it does the reverse.

 

[Decoder]

Good stuff!

Keep up the good work!!!!

Thansk

 

[Lanolin]

Jesus inevitable accompaniment was the helper i.e Holy Spirit

And this invisible helper is someone that you can't see. Now tech these days is highly visible and might come close to what some people used to think as magic (what, I can talk to someone on the other side of the world?? Or hear and read things from the past) but until we communicate telepathically in a language we all know and understand its a poor substitute.

 

[Decoder]

The expression "being born again" can also make us think too subjectively, to place too much weight on our own experience of it. It is best to dwell on those passages that define the cause and effect of grace and transformation to each other. Rom 6 is prob the best. There are some others. In Titus 2 we are told of the historic event of the coming of the grace of God, and then the effect: this set us free from sin. In Titus 3, he does it again. This time he mentions that the new birth washes us first. But after that he uses the type of past tense verb about 'having been justified by faith' (before or above that new birth effect) as the cause of our changes.

Thanks!

 

[Major]

A "continually" surrendered life Is how NT saving Faith is defined. It starts the walk as a response to the call of the Father. Maintains the walk as our surrendered life is being perfected. And completes the walk here on earth by becoming His finished product.

The more one realizes the continual surrender to Him is producing a relationship with Him, the more we will want to continue "in Faith" or surrender. The surrendered life stops, salvation stops. Responding with "believing" what He did, said, and promises, salvation never started.

My dear "faither". I say this to you with all respect. I hope you take it the way I am saying it.

A "Continually surrendered Life" IMO is a very good sound phrase but I do not think it applies to what you are trying to say as a response to the call of God. You have made is abundantly clear that you only accept the truth of the GREEK language.

Now that being the case...... he Greek word "Surrender" is a battle term. It implies giving up all rights to the conqueror. Surrendering to God works the same way. God has a plan for our lives, and surrendering to Him means we set aside our own plans and eagerly seek His.

Therefore, when we surrender, to God, and that is done by ACCEPTING JESUS AS THE CHRIST, all of our relations affect our fellowship with God. Initial surrender to the drawing of the Holy Spirit leads to salvation. At he moment of salvation, we get all that God has salvationally speaking!!!!!

When we let go of our own attempts to earn God’s favor and rely upon the finished work of Jesus Christ on our behalf, we become a child of God and then as we give up "PET SINS" we try and hold onto, we can then exhibit more and more traits of His character.

If that is what you mean by having the mind of Christ.........then I am with you!

 

[Major]

Thanks!

That was a test wanstit It????

I caught it but you fixed before I could ask!

Cossnote would say......."I agree and like minds think alike"!

 

[Lanolin]

Glad you got it sorted in your mind.

People know this already though, don't need to be told. When people want to make a change, they decide to do it. Until they get to the point of deciding to do it, they may want to do it, but even if the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak.

That is why the flesh needs to be crucified.
And that is why Jesus crucifixtion is something we all need to identify with. Otherwise we will be literally constantly crucifying ourselves.