IS HALLOWEEN A CLEBRATION OF EVIL?????

[Major]

How about the wizard of oz? Is it evil as well?

Every single time in the past 50 years when I have spoken on Halloween and the Occult, I have always been asked......
"How about the Wizard of Oz. Is it evil as well".

Allow me to answer your question as I have always have. "Very few" if any recognize that, under its deceptive simplicity, the story of the Wizard of Oz conceals deep esoteric truths inspired by Theosophy.

Most do not know what the word means. What then is THEOSOPY??? You ask!

The Theosophical Society is an occult organization, mainly based on the teachings of Helena P. Blavatsky, which seeks to extract the common roots of all religions in order to form a universal doctrine.

The three declared objects of the original Theosophical Society as established by Blavatsky, Judge and Olcott (its founders) were as follows:..........
#1....To forma nucleus of Universal Brotherhood without race, creed, sex, color or caste.
#2....To encourage the study of Comparative Religions, Philosophy and Science.
#3.....To investigate the unexplained laws of nature and powers latent in man.
Source: The Theosophist, vol. 75, No. 6.

At the core of Theosophical teachings are the same tenets found in many other occult schools: the belief of the presence of a “divine spark” within every person which, with the proper discipline and training, can lead to spiritual illumination and a state of virtual godliness.

Another important principle found in Theosophy is reincarnation. The entire story of the Wizard of Oz is an allegorical tale of the soul’s path to illumination – the Yellow Brick Road. In Buddhism (an important part of Theosophical teachings) the same concept is referred to as the “Golden Path”.

In the movie, the fake Wizard invites Dorothy into his balloon to go back to Kansas, her final destination. She, however, follows Toto (her intuition) and gets out of the balloon, which represents the empty promises of organized religions. This leads to her ultimate revelation and, with the help of the Good Witch of the North (her divine guide), she finally understands: everything she ever wanted could be found “in her own backyard” and all of that is the essence of OCCULTISM!

 

[Via dolarossa]

As do I.

Halloween, as we know it today, is a modernized version of the Druidic festival of the dead. The powerful Druid priests were deemed kings of the occult practitioners, and were known for worshipping evil spirits and sacrificing humans to their demon gods!

Do we as Christians need to be involved in such a thing?????

Proverbs 24:10-12...............
"If you falter in a time of trouble, how small is your strength! Rescue those being led away to death;
hold back those staggering toward slaughter. If you say, “But we knew nothing about this,”
does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who guards your life know it?
Will he not repay everyone according to what they have done?"

most kids enjoy it though..

and unless its wiped out completely(which in heaven maybe it will) with all involved, children everywhere will suffer because they can't do what friends do. its very difficult to stop children from being exposed to the halloween festival and they will resent you for it.

so I dont know the answer of what to do except ban it for everyone or let them play witches and teach them about the festivals origins.

 

[crossnote]

While pop culture paints wizards, witches and warlocks as fun, relatable characters, what many do not realize is that the world of the dark arts is real. There do exist witches, warlocks and wizards and they do cast spells, study potions and practice magic and the presence behind their motives is SATAN himself.

Yes, I do find that those who were involved in the occult, witchcraft etc., are more prone to steer clear from all forms of paganism knowing and being sensitive to the spiritual ramifications, and as a result will 'protect' their children from what they went through.

 

[Major]

most kids enjoy it though..

and unless its wiped out completely(which in heaven maybe it will) with all involved, children everywhere will suffer because they can't do what friends do. its very difficult to stop children from being exposed to the halloween festival and they will resent you for it.

so I dont know the answer of what to do except ban it for everyone or let them play witches and teach them about the festivals origins.

Via......It does not matter if a child enjoys it. Children like anything that feels good but everything that feels good IS NOT GOOD for them. That is what parents are for.

I can tell you what this old country boy did with his children......
"I" told them that it was evil and was the worship of Satan. I explained to them where it came from and what it represented and I would not allow them to participate. They were young but smart, having been raised in church and they understood right from wrong.

THAT is the answer.........Parents telling their children what they can and can not do instead of kids telling their parents what they will do.

Today we see crime out of control and we want to blame politicians. NOT ME. I blame parents who has abdicated their job to teach their children RESPECT and RESPONSIBILITY!

 

[Major]

Yes, I do find that those who were involved in the occult, witchcraft etc., are more prone to steer clear from all forms of paganism knowing and being sensitive to the spiritual ramifications, and as a result will 'protect' their children from what they went through.

Agreed. Living through error, then teaching their children is the sign of good parenting.

 

[forgiven61]

I can tell you what this old country boy did with his children......
"I" told them that it was evil and was the worship of Satan. I explained to them where it came from and what it represented and I would not allow them to participate. They were young but smart, having been raised in church and they understood right from wrong.

i am going to disagree one this point . if and when we took our son out it was not worshiping Satan. i am a firm believer if done in the right manner it is not evil, should we refrain Children from hunting Easter eggs? do we not have the power the authority to Bind satan out in Jesus name. granted as a older teen we all got to gather and done bad things . throwed eggs soaped windows that was about it sometime toilet papered trees i dont do haunted houses or any of the other evil stuff . take kids out in fun costumes and let them get candy.. it is becoming a time a person can only take kids to local businesses. to many want to do bad things to kids


i can respect your point but also disagree

 

[rtm3039]

We have several kids that came by with their parents to do the Halloween thing. Two are Ghost Busters and I think one is a cowboy. They are in it for the candy.

They even did something at church this weekend. People came in wearing some type of costume and the kids got candy at the end of service. If I recall, someone was dressed as an angel and some guy was dressed as a slice of pizza.

I know that there is a dark side, but I believe this to be greatly apart from little kids dressed as spiderman sorting through a bowl of candy looking for the M&Ms.

 

[crossnote]

Seen a large reduction in 'trick-or-treaters', my guess is because of a lot of the craziness going on today, e.g. (laced candy, pedophilia etc.).

 

[Major]

i am going to disagree one this point . if and when we took our son out it was not worshiping Satan. i am a firm believer if done in the right manner it is not evil, should we refrain Children from hunting Easter eggs? do we not have the power the authority to Bind satan out in Jesus name. granted as a older teen we all got to gather and done bad things . throwed eggs soaped windows that was about it sometime toilet papered trees i dont do haunted houses or any of the other evil stuff . take kids out in fun costumes and let them get candy.. it is becoming a time a person can only take kids to local businesses. to many want to do bad things to kids


i can respect your point but also disagree

No problem. NO ONE has to agree with me and I am no ones Judge.

 

[crossnote]

No problem. NO ONE has to agree with me and I am no ones Judge.

Whew!

 

[Via dolarossa]

Major

I really enjoy your input. You give a different perspective, one some parents don't seem to have anymore. Your care has been acknowledged and your stance has sparked interesting thoughts.

There is a lot of mindless seduction out there for children today, its true, all in the name of "letting children be children"or "letting them get lost in their imaginations" so the question for me today is 'what kind of lessons, if any, are being learned when children get involved in fantasy or storytelling ?'. The idea of halloween never had me thinking as a young child that spirits and monsters were real in the way that they were going to actually hurt me, partly because I knew my parents protected me. That must have been your childs experience also, being a protective father.

As much as some children's stories look innocent enough, ( like the wizard of oz, etc) where the moral lesson is absent and promoting of individually developed integral qualities rather them being God given is correct. I agree this is based on consumer culture, and if that is what your getting at then, yes, THAT IS I think what misguides and corrupts them because they will come to believe they will need to buy their way to Heaven.

On the other hand, stories and role play encourage growth, and magic for children does indeed open their minds and makes them more susceptible to engage in their surroundings and relationships and give them direction and perspective. so we can't do away with them....think of lewis Carrol "the lion the witch and the wardrobe"

I used to love reading as a child with illustrated picture books but it was only when I was introduced to the bible stories as an adult, or I noticed a lack of Godly instruction in todays stories that I can honestly say, I lacked good sound guidance principles from them.

thanks.

 

[Major]

Major

I really enjoy your input. You give a different perspective, one some parents don't seem to have anymore. Your care has been acknowledged and your stance has sparked interesting thoughts.

There is a lot of mindless seduction out there for children today, its true, all in the name of "letting children be children"or "letting them get lost in their imaginations" so the question for me today is 'what kind of lessons, if any, are being learned when children get involved in fantasy or storytelling ?'. The idea of halloween never had me thinking as a young child that spirits and monsters were real in the way that they were going to actually hurt me, partly because I knew my parents protected me. That must have been your childs experience also, being a protective father.

As much as some children's stories look innocent enough, ( like the wizard of oz, etc) where the moral lesson is absent and promoting of individually developed integral qualities rather them being God given is correct. I agree this is based on consumer culture, and if that is what your getting at then, yes, THAT IS I think what misguides and corrupts them because they will come to believe they will need to buy their way to Heaven.

On the other hand, stories and role play encourage growth, and magic for children does indeed open their minds and makes them more susceptible to engage in their surroundings and relationships and give them direction and perspective. so we can't do away with them....think of lewis Carrol "the lion the witch and the wardrobe"

I used to love reading as a child with illustrated picture books but it was only when I was introduced to the bible stories as an adult, or I noticed a lack of Godly instruction in todays stories that I can honestly say, I lacked good sound guidance principles from them.

thanks.

Via.....all I do is educate. I do not judge or condemn. That is not my job.

Allow me to do that now. If you have read the posts I have done you saw the one on Theosophy. Offical Label =



When L. Frank Baum wrote the Wizard of OZ book in 1900, all of the things you see in the movie are "SYBOLISMS" used in the false teachings of "THEOSOPHY". Allow me to demonstrate...............

1. In the Wizard of Oz, The entire story is an allegorical tale of the soul’s journey toward enlightenment. The same concept of The Yellow Brick Road, for example in Buddhism is referred to as the “Golden Path” & is an integral concept in theosophical beliefs.

2. The story begins with Dorothy Gale in Kansas, representing the material world, or the physical plane from where our spiritual journey must begin. By exhibiting a desire to seek a higher truth Dorothy has passed the Nadir, & yearns to go over the rainbow, and follow the path to illumination which is also the teachings of Buddhism!

3. She is transported to Oz by a giant cyclone which symbolizes the cycles of karma, the cycle of errors and lessons learned. It also represents the theosophical belief in reincarnation, the cycle of the multiple lives & deaths of a soul toward divinity. In occult rhetoric, the spiral represents the evolving self, the Yellow Brick Road begins as an outwardly expanding spiral. This is the soul’s journey as it ascends from the lower depths of consciousness of matter into the higher plane of the spiritual world = NEW AGE PHILOSHPY.

4. Throughout the movie, Dorothy has conversations with Toto, (her dog) or her inner intuitive self. Toto represents her inner voice & is an integral part of the script. Toto was always right. Toto represents the inner, intuitive, instinctual, most animal-like part of us.

5. In the novel, Dorothy is given the “silver shoes”, which represent the “silver cord” a mythical link inspired by a passage in the Bible that speaks of a return from a spiritual quest. ‘Or ever the silver cord be loosed, says the book of Ecclesiastes, ‘then shall the dust return to the earth as it was and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it’.
(Dorothy was wearing ruby slippers in the movie due to a last minute change by the director, who thought that the color ruby looked better against the Yellow Brick Road). The silver cord is considered to be the link between our material and spiritual selves.

There is a lot more I can share with you, but the point is that the Wizard of OZ is a deceptive production aimed at teaching children that SELF is all we need!

Now.....the world is free to regard these words as the rantings of an old retired Baptist Right Wing Christian Terrorist and in fact I encourage everyone to think that because I are just that!!!

Or you can read and accept the LITERAL words from the Theosophist themselves concerning the "Wizard of OZ"................
The Wizard of Oz is much appreciated within the Theosophical Society. In 1986, The American Theosophist magazine recognized Baum as a “notable Theosophist” who thoroughly represented the organization’s philosophy.

“Although readers have not looked at his fairy tales for their Theosophical content, it is significant that Baum became a famous writer of children’s books after he came into contact with Theosophy. Theosophical ideas permeate his work and provided inspiration for it. Indeed, The Wizard can be regarded as Theosophical allegory, pervaded by Theosophical ideas from beginning to end. The story came to Baum as an inspiration, and he accepted it with a certain awe as a gift from outside, or perhaps from deep within, himself.”
-American Theosophist no 74, 1986

 

[Major]

We have several kids that came by with their parents to do the Halloween thing. Two are Ghost Busters and I think one is a cowboy. They are in it for the candy.

They even did something at church this weekend. People came in wearing some type of costume and the kids got candy at the end of service. If I recall, someone was dressed as an angel and some guy was dressed as a slice of pizza.

I know that there is a dark side, but I believe this to be greatly apart from little kids dressed as spiderman sorting through a bowl of candy looking for the M&Ms.

Ray....... deception is the major area in which Satan operates; in order words, that’s his primary strategy.

Furthermore, that’s exactly what he used in order to get both Adam and Eve to sin against God in the garden of Eden in Genesis 3:4.
He did not come to Adam in Eve as Himself, he came disguised as a Serpent. That right there should be a lite bulb moment!!!!!!

His main goal is to influence men to believe in something untrue even though they have already known the truth. The devil is working day and night while men are playing around with their eternity. Satan is very active in the field of deception because almost everything that he’s doing is based completely on it.

 

[Major]

i am going to disagree one this point . if and when we took our son out it was not worshiping Satan. i am a firm believer if done in the right manner it is not evil, should we refrain Children from hunting Easter eggs? do we not have the power the authority to Bind satan out in Jesus name. granted as a older teen we all got to gather and done bad things . throwed eggs soaped windows that was about it sometime toilet papered trees i dont do haunted houses or any of the other evil stuff . take kids out in fun costumes and let them get candy.. it is becoming a time a person can only take kids to local businesses. to many want to do bad things to kids


i can respect your point but also disagree

You said...........
"should we refrain Children from hunting Easter eggs? do we not have the power the authority to Bind satan out in Jesus name. "

Allow me to ask you this.......What has an egg got to do with the Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ????

Now if you do not know........I will be glad to tell you.

Now as for BINDING Satan, My dear brother, I do not say this to cause you to argue but ...........
To put it plainly, there is no passage of scripture which tells us that we can bind Satan or a demon from doing harm.

FACT:.......When the various words in the Bible that are translated into bind, bound, or chained(252 instances) are used there is only one instance when it is used about the devil. It is found in Rev. 20:2......A STRONG ANGEL =
“Seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.”

This is a specific reference to a period following the Great Tribulation as the millennial reign of Christ begins. Satan is bound for a thousand years so that he may do no harm during the millennial reign of Christ.

 

[crossnote]

Every single time in the past 50 years when I have spoken on Halloween and the Occult, I have always been asked......
"How about the Wizard of Oz. Is it evil as well".

Allow me to answer your question as I have always have. "Very few" if any recognize that, under its deceptive simplicity, the story of the Wizard of Oz conceals deep esoteric truths inspired by Theosophy.

Most do not know what the word means. What then is THEOSOPY??? You ask!

The Theosophical Society is an occult organization, mainly based on the teachings of Helena P. Blavatsky, which seeks to extract the common roots of all religions in order to form a universal doctrine.

The three declared objects of the original Theosophical Society as established by Blavatsky, Judge and Olcott (its founders) were as follows:..........
#1....To forma nucleus of Universal Brotherhood without race, creed, sex, color or caste.
#2....To encourage the study of Comparative Religions, Philosophy and Science.
#3.....To investigate the unexplained laws of nature and powers latent in man.
Source: The Theosophist, vol. 75, No. 6.

At the core of Theosophical teachings are the same tenets found in many other occult schools: the belief of the presence of a “divine spark” within every person which, with the proper discipline and training, can lead to spiritual illumination and a state of virtual godliness.

Another important principle found in Theosophy is reincarnation. The entire story of the Wizard of Oz is an allegorical tale of the soul’s path to illumination – the Yellow Brick Road. In Buddhism (an important part of Theosophical teachings) the same concept is referred to as the “Golden Path”.

In the movie, the fake Wizard invites Dorothy into his balloon to go back to Kansas, her final destination. She, however, follows Toto (her intuition) and gets out of the balloon, which represents the empty promises of organized religions. This leads to her ultimate revelation and, with the help of the Good Witch of the North (her divine guide), she finally understands: everything she ever wanted could be found “in her own backyard” and all of that is the essence of OCCULTISM!

Via.....all I do is educate. I do not judge or condemn. That is not my job.

Allow me to do that now. If you have read the posts I have done you saw the one on Theosophy. Offical Label =

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When L. Frank Baum wrote the Wizard of OZ book in 1900, all of the things you see in the movie are "SYBOLISMS" used in the false teachings of "THEOSOPHY". Allow me to demonstrate...............

1. In the Wizard of Oz, The entire story is an allegorical tale of the soul’s journey toward enlightenment. The same concept of The Yellow Brick Road, for example in Buddhism is referred to as the “Golden Path” & is an integral concept in theosophical beliefs.

2. The story begins with Dorothy Gale in Kansas, representing the material world, or the physical plane from where our spiritual journey must begin. By exhibiting a desire to seek a higher truth Dorothy has passed the Nadir, & yearns to go over the rainbow, and follow the path to illumination which is also the teachings of Buddhism!

3. She is transported to Oz by a giant cyclone which symbolizes the cycles of karma, the cycle of errors and lessons learned. It also represents the theosophical belief in reincarnation, the cycle of the multiple lives & deaths of a soul toward divinity. In occult rhetoric, the spiral represents the evolving self, the Yellow Brick Road begins as an outwardly expanding spiral. This is the soul’s journey as it ascends from the lower depths of consciousness of matter into the higher plane of the spiritual world = NEW AGE PHILOSHPY.

4. Throughout the movie, Dorothy has conversations with Toto, (her dog) or her inner intuitive self. Toto represents her inner voice & is an integral part of the script. Toto was always right. Toto represents the inner, intuitive, instinctual, most animal-like part of us.

5. In the novel, Dorothy is given the “silver shoes”, which represent the “silver cord” a mythical link inspired by a passage in the Bible that speaks of a return from a spiritual quest. ‘Or ever the silver cord be loosed, says the book of Ecclesiastes, ‘then shall the dust return to the earth as it was and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it’.
(Dorothy was wearing ruby slippers in the movie due to a last minute change by the director, who thought that the color ruby looked better against the Yellow Brick Road). The silver cord is considered to be the link between our material and spiritual selves.

There is a lot more I can share with you, but the point is that the Wizard of OZ is a deceptive production aimed at teaching children that SELF is all we need!

Now.....the world is free to regard these words as the rantings of an old retired Baptist Right Wing Christian Terrorist and in fact I encourage everyone to think that because I are just that!!!

Or you can read and accept the LITERAL words from the Theosophist themselves concerning the "Wizard of OZ"................
The Wizard of Oz is much appreciated within the Theosophical Society. In 1986, The American Theosophist magazine recognized Baum as a “notable Theosophist” who thoroughly represented the organization’s philosophy.

“Although readers have not looked at his fairy tales for their Theosophical content, it is significant that Baum became a famous writer of children’s books after he came into contact with Theosophy. Theosophical ideas permeate his work and provided inspiration for it. Indeed, The Wizard can be regarded as Theosophical allegory, pervaded by Theosophical ideas from beginning to end. The story came to Baum as an inspiration, and he accepted it with a certain awe as a gift from outside, or perhaps from deep within, himself.”
-American Theosophist no 74, 1986

In all fairness, how would a child read into the story (Wizard of Oz) those esoteric meanings unless it was explained to him/her?

 

[Major]

In all fairness, how would a child read into the story (Wizard of Oz) those esoteric meanings unless it was explained to him/her?

That is exactly my point!!!!

Parents should take charge of their children and teach them what they are doing and WHY!!!

My wife and I educated our children and those kids educated their kids. When children are raised up in the admonition of the Lord, and are educated by their parents, then they will KNOW why witches and demons and easter eggs are to be rejected.

 

[Major]

OK.............The Devils High Day---Halloween is over and we return you now to our regularly scheduled program.

I do hope that all of you understand that I appreciate your opinions. We all have them and I am not judging any of yours.
My only goal was to Educate you with the intent that you might see something that you have never been exposed to before.

You see, real education is what enables you to think for yourself and apply what you have learned. The Holy Spirit IN you is what motivates you to learn and grow. Purely knowing facts and being able to effectively remember and recall them isn’t being educated. To be educated is being able to make your own decisions and form your own opinions about things. It is the imparting of skills that enable you to succeed in any field of human endeavor and make your original contribution so that when you get to the end of your road, you can look back and say...."I made a difference"!!!!!

Now I realize that not everyone agreed with me, but that is not the point, never was. It is that YOU are now exposed to something that you had never considered before.

Next thought...............was Jesus really born on December 25?????

Major.........Out!

 

[rtm3039]

OK.............The Devils High Day---Halloween is over and we return you now to our regularly scheduled program.

I do hope that all of you understand that I appreciate your opinions. We all have them and I am not judging any of yours.
My only goal was to Educate you with the intent that you might see something that you have never been exposed to before.

You see, real education is what enables you to think for yourself and apply what you have learned. The Holy Spirit IN you is what motivates you to learn and grow. Purely knowing facts and being able to effectively remember and recall them isn’t being educated. To be educated is being able to make your own decisions and form your own opinions about things. It is the imparting of skills that enable you to succeed in any field of human endeavor and make your original contribution so that when you get to the end of your road, you can look back and say...."I made a difference"!!!!!

Now I realize that not everyone agreed with me, but that is not the point, never was. It is that YOU are now exposed to something that you had never considered before.

Next thought...............was Jesus really born on December 25?????

Major.........Out!

Wait, you are skipping Thanksgiving?

 

[Major]

Wait, you are skipping Thanksgiving?

Hmmm! Let me think about it.

I think we can do something with it!

 

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