Okay, so who baptised John the Baptist? what about the thief on the cross? I don't recall the disciples being baptised. We can only guess. I guess the disciples had been baptised since the requirement was put out there. And John was baptised from birth. But what of the thief on the cross? Jesus TOLD him he would be with Him in paradise.
Is immersion baptism required for slavation?
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I am going to quote something from our precious AmericanAngel.
I don't think she will mind under the circumstances.
"The thief on the cross passed away in the old testament. Jesus hung on the cross suspended between heaven and earth, between the old and the new. There was no time to get a blood sacrifice for the thief to roll back his sins. Jesus had already been whipped for our healing and the sins of the world were placed apon Him so that even God looked away. For this moment ONLY could the thief be forgiven."
Now, this makes perfect sense when I think about it!
Another quote ~
ALL TWELVE OF THE DISCIPLES WERE BAPTIZED BY JOHN THE BAPTIST
It is evident, from the Bible, that all twelve of the disciples were baptized by John the Baptist.
"Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
"BEGINNING FROM THE BAPTISM OF JOHN, unto that same day that he was taken from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection."-Acts 1:21, 22
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maybe Jesus, John's cousin, baptized John?
I don't think she will mind under the circumstances.
"The thief on the cross passed away in the old testament. Jesus hung on the cross suspended between heaven and earth, between the old and the new. There was no time to get a blood sacrifice for the thief to roll back his sins. Jesus had already been whipped for our healing and the sins of the world were placed apon Him so that even God looked away. For this moment ONLY could the thief be forgiven."
Now, this makes perfect sense when I think about it!
Another quote ~
ALL TWELVE OF THE DISCIPLES WERE BAPTIZED BY JOHN THE BAPTIST
It is evident, from the Bible, that all twelve of the disciples were baptized by John the Baptist.
"Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
"BEGINNING FROM THE BAPTISM OF JOHN, unto that same day that he was taken from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection."-Acts 1:21, 22
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maybe Jesus, John's cousin, baptized John?
HisManySongs
Passed on, February 28, 2022
Salvation is by faith in Jesus and His sacrifice on the Cross.
There is no believe and ...
So I would amend item 1 to read:
1. Those who are saved are eligible to be baptized.
Baptism is an act which follows salvation not a requirement to be saved.
Salvation first, then baptism. Baptism is the symbol, Jesus is the substance. Otherwise it is salvation by works.
I was saved for many years before I was baptized (by immersion, in a lake). I was convicted about being obedient to be baptized because I was saved already. Nothing changed after I was baptized, except that I had completed an act in which I needed to be obedient. I already had my eyes opened to understand Scripture. I already had a fire in my bones. I already had a transformed heart that desired to serve, please, and glorify God.
Nevertheless, I agree that John the Baptist, the Apostles, and Jesus Himself placed great emphasis and value on baptism. So do I. I have no less regard for it than those who believe it is necessary for salvation. I believe no Christian has any excuse not to be baptized once he or she knows anything about it because, whatever your theological angle on it, the inescapable fact is that it was commanded.
The standard and approved method appears to be immersion. I'm not dogmatic about that being the only efficacious method, but with the abundance of pools, bathtubs, rivers, lakes, ponds, stock tanks, baptistries, hot tubs, etc., why deviate from the method we know to be standard Biblical practice?
And, once you've been baptized, the issue is resolved for you either way.
I was saved for many years before I was baptized (by immersion, in a lake). I was convicted about being obedient to be baptized because I was saved already. Nothing changed after I was baptized, except that I had completed an act in which I needed to be obedient. I already had my eyes opened to understand Scripture. I already had a fire in my bones. I already had a transformed heart that desired to serve, please, and glorify God.
Nevertheless, I agree that John the Baptist, the Apostles, and Jesus Himself placed great emphasis and value on baptism. So do I. I have no less regard for it than those who believe it is necessary for salvation. I believe no Christian has any excuse not to be baptized once he or she knows anything about it because, whatever your theological angle on it, the inescapable fact is that it was commanded.
The standard and approved method appears to be immersion. I'm not dogmatic about that being the only efficacious method, but with the abundance of pools, bathtubs, rivers, lakes, ponds, stock tanks, baptistries, hot tubs, etc., why deviate from the method we know to be standard Biblical practice?
And, once you've been baptized, the issue is resolved for you either way.
Thanks, there are some angles I'd never thought about here...Like Jesus suspended between the Old Testament and the New Convenant... And the Apostles being babtized...
Thats 1 thing I love about this forum, you get Revelations about things you didn't even think about...:dance:
But i do believe If someone got saved tonight, and then died lets say of a heart attack or car accident before they got babtized they would still be saved... Right???
Thats 1 thing I love about this forum, you get Revelations about things you didn't even think about...:dance:
But i do believe If someone got saved tonight, and then died lets say of a heart attack or car accident before they got babtized they would still be saved... Right???
HisManySongs
Passed on, February 28, 2022
Yes, I believe that's what is the case.
Yes...
I believe water babtism is an act of obedience to God. I do not think it is required for salvation. It is a outward symbol of obedience. I believe that people can come to God on their death beds. If someone comes to God at the last minuite and really believes it in their heart, I believe they are saved by Jesus' grace.
