Is it true that we are saved through faith in Jesus alone?

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As Christians are we really saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone? If that's really true, then why do we have to repent for our sins? And doesn't the scripture in the Book of Revelation about unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins not inheriting the Kingdom of God contradict with the we are saved through Christ alone theory?
 
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The 'alone' bit refers to Jesus Christ, meaning that there is no other name by which we are saved. There isnt any contradiction, because Jesus saves us from those sins when we repent and believe In Him. If we did not repent, we would not believe that Jesus died to save us, so we would just continue on in our sins without ever being forgiven.

Sometimes people get syntax mixed up in .english and things backwards, so it can be confusing. Old english can sometimes be like yoda talking.
 
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As Christians are we really saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone? If that's really true, then why do we have to repent for our sins? And doesn't the scripture in the Book of Revelation about unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins not inheriting the Kingdom of God contradict with the we are saved through Christ alone theory?
Ephesians 5:5
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

There is no theory but Truth.
Jesus took upon Himself our sins and paid our dept in hell that......
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

The Holy Spirit can not live in an unrepentant heart nor can sinful man enter into the kingdom of God or partake in the things of God.

Blessings to you
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As Christians are we really saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone? If that's really true, then why do we have to repent for our sins? And doesn't the scripture in the Book of Revelation about unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins not inheriting the Kingdom of God contradict with the we are saved through Christ alone theory?
Allison, you have asked a really good question and I am pleased and blessed to be able to speak to it with you.

The Bible teaches us that salvation is actually a "process. Yes, we are saved the very moment we place our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, however that is only the 1st step.

That 1st step is theologically referred to as "Regeneration" and some people also call it Justification. It means that we have been "Saved" from the punishment of sin by the coming judgment of God.

The 2nd step then is called "Sanctification". Some say that means we are being saved from the power of sin as we live out our lives today.

Then the 3rd step then is "Glorification" which is also referreded to as being saved from the presence of sin.

All of that then can be wrapped up in the popular teaching of......"We have been saved, we are being saved, and we will be saved".

All of that is then involved and seen in Repentance of the sinner, as that is the only way we know a man has been saved and that is by a "changed life"!!!!
A changed life as seen from repentance then results in that person then having a desire to please God in that he now wants to do good works, not to be saved but as a result of being saved.

Now as for Rev. 21:8 which you used.

Please understand that the Bible does not say that good works qualify you for heaven and neither does the Bible say that no works or bad works keep you from heaven. Also, there is NO such thought in the Bible as "theory". ......It is what God said and that is it. We either accept the Bible as God's Word or we do not but theories simply do not apply to its teachings.

Then consider the Bib le fact that No works do not bar us from Heaven. That would be salvation by works. Rev. 21:8 describes those who do not know God. Good works cannot earn us eternal life. A spiritual birth is necessary for eternal life which is regeneration and that is the act of Repentance.

Hebrews 9:27-28.................
“And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation”.
 
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As Christians are we really saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone? If that's really true, then why do we have to repent for our sins? And doesn't the scripture in the Book of Revelation about unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins not inheriting the Kingdom of God contradict with the we are saved through Christ alone theory?
Major is correct, salvation is a process and it begins with an understanding. That understanding turns into repentance, which simply means to "change one's mind." Someone who is a Christian does NOT want to sin though they struggle to learn how to be free. Calling out to God for help is the first step of all issues.

Joel 2:32 (KJV)
And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Romans 10:13 (KJV)
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

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For me, the question would be.. - If we do truly and fully believe, then how can we not repent? To ponder all that the Bible teaches us... to believe everything that Christ suffered was for us.. then how can we not be sorry in knowing that it was our sin that caused it? Our sin being the reason He was treated so brutally... a pure, innocent, loving, perfect, son of God... treated worse than a slaughtered and sacrificed animal.... because God so loves us - the sinners.
 
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For me, the question would be.. - If we do truly and fully believe, then how can we not repent? To ponder all that the Bible teaches us... to believe everything that Christ suffered was for us.. then how can we not be sorry in knowing that it was our sin that caused it? Our sin being the reason He was treated so brutally... a pure, innocent, loving, perfect, son of God... treated worse than a slaughtered and sacrificed animal.... because God so loves us - the sinners.
"Repent" as you know, means to change direction.

If the lost man does not change his direction in life from what he wants to do to what God wants him to do then he is not saved from the coming judgment.

John 8:11...…...
"She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”

That of course does not mean that we will not sin anymore after we are saved, but it does mean that we are to stop practicing the "Known" sin we are involved in as that is a sign of actual repentance.
 
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As Christians are we really saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone? If that's really true, then why do we have to repent for our sins? And doesn't the scripture in the Book of Revelation about unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins not inheriting the Kingdom of God contradict with the we are saved through Christ alone theory?
Well Jesus does require obedience, that completes the faith. If we say we are saved by faith in Christ sacrifice yet we do not obey commands of God in all the sins, but continue to practice them, then we do not really have the faith do we? (Rev14:12)

But, Christ is realistic, we will NOT be perfect, we will fall even if we really want to obey God as Paul said a war in the flesh is what is started, we will sin, we will fall--- but we do NOT need to stay down, we can repent and renew the good fight. Because we fail, repentance will be necessary to continue in the faith rather than just give up and give in to works of sinful flesh.

It is a very personal battle, but as John said Christ conquered the world and so do those with the FAITH in Jesus Christ and God Almighty. Just stay loyal to the faith and its commands of God and then we conquer by Christ. REPENTANCE is a continual process while in the sinful flesh, so yes a mantra alone without some personal effort to obey is really not too reassuring.

2 Peter 3:9 shows this continual repentance is a process, not a one time act:

The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
REACH repentance is attaining a state of faithful perseverance for Christians who have been at this for a while. True, as per Revelation 14:6-8 and the sheep and goats, some ignorant people will be saved and repent very quickly (Rom2), but the follow through will still be required.

But "good people" in isolated ignorance have to be saved by God because Christ bought the world regardless of a person's personal state of Christ awareness--- in fact those with more time and knowledge are who need to stay awake because there is more responsibility with the awareness of Christ and his commands.

Romans 2:15

They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ,as my gospel declares.
 
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Well Jesus does require obedience, that completes the faith. If we say we are saved by faith in Christ sacrifice yet we do not obey commands of God in all the sins, but continue to practice them, then we do not really have the faith do we? (Rev14:12)
Well said, StarTemple.

Alison asks a good question with good posts from everyone that gives us moments to reflect on Christ.

Reading this topic blesses me.

God bless you all and thank you.
 
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Churches and forums are generally unyielding and unforgiving. To clarify, the life process is lost in them and yet everything about life is growth based. We are all born, we live, we grow, live, grow, live, ... die. It is no different for the Spiritman within us, yet they demand a 90-year old maturity in babies, toddlers, teens, and young adults. As I grow older, I see that in me towards myself. I sin, I sulk for days. Learning to forgive ourselves is as important as allowing others to learn from their own mistakes without cruel judgements and allow them to lean on Jesus' work instead of thrashing the scriptures at them like Zeus and his thunderbolt. I suppose that is why when the Pharisees brought the adulterous woman (where was the man?) to Him and after writing in the dirt, the OLDER ones left first.

A baby isn't strong and able to defend themselves against an enemy. They grow, they learn, they live by experience. Questions are the means for one to grow on their own and learn to obey. I remember reading about how children in the 70's had a roaming distance from their homes of about 10-20 miles. Today's children have a roaming distance from their homes of only 2-3 miles at most. I think this explains why the world is going so bad, the churches and forums don't accommodate exploration of the truth realized by experiences. Some will interpret what I'm saying as a license to sin, but they would be wrong.The understanding and beliefs are what make us succeed or fail. For example, if I knock on someone's door and the Spirit isn't in the act and I show the owner the error of his ways via the scriptures, they may understand, repeat some formula of words and are told they are now saved, but nothing has changed, no repentance. Some even do change into religious zealots thinking they are God's children. Yet, they are still the walking dead, and worse off, because now they have religion instead of repentance, formula living instead of freedom living.

I haven't a clue why I wrote all this, but I felt it was necessary. Maybe for me. God bless.
 
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Churches and forums are generally unyielding and unforgiving. To clarify, the life process is lost in them and yet everything about life is growth based. We are all born, we live, we grow, live, grow, live, ... die. It is no different for the Spiritman within us, yet they demand a 90-year old maturity in babies, toddlers, teens, and young adults. As I grow older, I see that in me towards myself. I sin, I sulk for days. Learning to forgive ourselves is as important as allowing others to learn from their own mistakes without cruel judgements and allow them to lean on Jesus' work instead of thrashing the scriptures at them like Zeus and his thunderbolt. I suppose that is why when the Pharisees brought the adulterous woman (where was the man?) to Him and after writing in the dirt, the OLDER ones left first.

A baby isn't strong and able to defend themselves against an enemy. They grow, they learn, they live by experience. Questions are the means for one to grow on their own and learn to obey. I remember reading about how children in the 70's had a roaming distance from their homes of about 10-20 miles. Today's children have a roaming distance from their homes of only 2-3 miles at most. I think this explains why the world is going so bad, the churches and forums don't accommodate exploration of the truth realized by experiences. Some will interpret what I'm saying as a license to sin, but they would be wrong.The understanding and beliefs are what make us succeed or fail. For example, if I knock on someone's door and the Spirit isn't in the act and I show the owner the error of his ways via the scriptures, they may understand, repeat some formula of words and are told they are now saved, but nothing has changed, no repentance. Some even do change into religious zealots thinking they are God's children. Yet, they are still the walking dead, and worse off, because now they have religion instead of repentance, formula living instead of freedom living.

I haven't a clue why I wrote all this, but I felt it was necessary. Maybe for me. God bless.
Good stuff my friend!
 
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When you teach young children its interesting because they are all learning the bible. Some have read it more than others but you see they each try to apply what they've learned and its a process and not everyone 'gets it' at first bat. Asking questions is good because it shows they are really thinking about what the Word means. Sometimes its hard to connect the dots of scripture as in many churches people just skip from one verse to the next all over the Bible! Like they will say a few verses from ephesians then go back to Jeremiah and then another from Revelation etc and to someone that hasnt read the entire Bible, this is confusing!!

Thats why its so important to just simply READ the bible from one chapter to the next and why in many older churches each week they simply just read where they left of from the last chapter. In Jesus day it was all in a scroll so you just didnt skip passages willy nilly, You read through the entire scripture. verses werent each numbered back then as they are now.

When PAul writes to Timothy about being a good workman, rightly dividing scripture, hes talking about sharing the Bible so correctly in order, and not quoting it and leaving stuff out. For example I could say God so loved the world, but if I didnt share the rest of that verse I would only be giving a half truth.
 
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When you teach young children its interesting because they are all learning the bible. Some have read it more than others but you see they each try to apply what they've learned and its a process and not everyone 'gets it' at first bat. Asking questions is good because it shows they are really thinking about what the Word means. Sometimes its hard to connect the dots of scripture as in many churches people just skip from one verse to the next all over the Bible! Like they will say a few verses from ephesians then go back to Jeremiah and then another from Revelation etc and to someone that hasnt read the entire Bible, this is confusing!!

Thats why its so important to just simply READ the bible from one chapter to the next and why in many older churches each week they simply just read where they left of from the last chapter. In Jesus day it was all in a scroll so you just didnt skip passages willy nilly, You read through the entire scripture. verses werent each numbered back then as they are now.

When PAul writes to Timothy about being a good workman, rightly dividing scripture, hes talking about sharing the Bible so correctly in order, and not quoting it and leaving stuff out. For example I could say God so loved the world, but if I didnt share the rest of that verse I would only be giving a half truth.
I agree. The key to all Bible understanding is "Context".

There are lessons that can be drawn from every Bible Scripture but not every Bible Scripture applies to us today. In other words, all scripture is profitable, but not every passage is for our participation or obedience.

Allow me to use the Ark as just one example. Surely we can agree that when God told Noah to build an ark, he was speaking to Noah and not to anyone in the 21st century. Once realizing the proper context, we can understand the limits of its application. While we may learn the spiritual truths about Noah’s righteous obedience as an example, or his faithful diligence despite being persecuted, we would be wrong to go and build an ark because “since God said it, I’m supposed to obey it”.
 
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As Christians are we really saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone? If that's really true, then why do we have to repent for our sins? And doesn't the scripture in the Book of Revelation about unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins not inheriting the Kingdom of God contradict with the we are saved through Christ alone theory?
If you have been saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, then you are a Christian. If you have been baptized then you define yourself as a Christian and a child of God. Those who define themselves as "unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins" will not inherit the kingdom of God. Question becomes, "Who do you choose to be?"

That's why when God called Himself "I am", it was a powerful statement. When you say "I am ________" (fill in the blank), it says something about you and who you are. You are defining yourself.

Blessings
 
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If you have been saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, then you are a Christian. If you have been baptized then you define yourself as a Christian and a child of God. Those who define themselves as "unbelievers,abominable,liars,murderers,idolterers and those who commit sexual sins" will not inherit the kingdom of God. Question becomes, "Who do you choose to be?"

That's why when God called Himself "I am", it was a powerful statement. When you say "I am ________" (fill in the blank), it says something about you and who you are. You are defining yourself.

Blessings
"I Am a child of God".