Israel's role in the end times

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'There are several results to this theology. First of all, it is not biblical, so one has to depart from the Bible to support it or ''spiritualize'' the plain meaning of the Bible to mean something else. You cannot believe in replacement theology and literal interpretation of the Bible: they are opposed.
Really??? Well, these scriptures are all taken from the New Testament?
These are BIBLICAL scriptures, not mine. When the Bible explains something as being spritual, like Israel and the jews are. Those scriptures are given for us to understand what todays Israel consists of. And when it says: for he is NOT a jew which is one outwardly (literal, genetically).......and if ye be Christs then are ye ABRAHAM'S SEED! How much plainer can it be said?? This is not a loose interpretation, it is LETTING THE BIBLE INTERPRET ITSELF!


"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:29.

"They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed." Romans 9:8.

“Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham” (Galatians 3:7). “For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh” (Philippians 3:3).

"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart." Romans 2:28, 29.
"Ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ." Colossians 2:11.

“Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him(Acts 10:34, 35).

“Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:5).

“If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people” (1 Corinthians 3:17, 16).

God does not have one method of salvation for Jews and a different one for non-Jews. Everyone is saved the same way under the same program—by grace through faith.

'There are several results to this theology. First of all, it is not biblical, so one has to depart from the Bible to support it or ''spiritualize'' the plain meaning of the Bible to mean something else. You cannot believe in replacement theology and literal interpretation of the Bible: they are opposed.
So when you read REVELATION you think words such as beast, dragon, horn, lamb, lion, woman etc are all literal? Paul made it very clear from the above scriptures that the "new" Israel is no longer the literal Israel, but the true church.

'When the scriptures are spiritualized to support replacement theology, the Old Testament and the New lose their distinctions, and the Bible becomes a confusing jumble of impossible symbolism with no central, guiding purpose- an unfinished story that just stops unresolved right in the middle- no wonder they feel a need for present day prophets and seers. One is required to believe utter absurdities, like that we are currently in the Millenial Kingdom and Satan is bound (Rev 20:2).
I very much disagree,it makes perfect sense to me. Nothing else makes sense!

And I do not believe we are currently in the millenial kingdom or that Satan is bound now.This all takes place after Jesus returns when all the rightouss will have their new bodies, like Jesus after his ressurection and will be in Heaven for 1000 years while Satan is being bound. After the end of the Miillennium the NEW JERUSALEM, which is now in Heaven, will come down to this earth and Satan will let loose for a short period to gather his people for the FINAL BATTLE. We all know who will win and then the judgement will take place, every sinner will be punished according to their works, and then they, including Satan, will all BURN UP! After all sin is removed from this Universe, God will not only restore this earth, but make it perfect once again, like in the beginning. And all tracec of sin will forever be vanished and God has promised not to let sin and evil rise a second time.



'Yes, Israel rejected their Messiah when He came, but that is not the end of their story! The story has yet to come to the beautiful and appropriate end God has determined from the beginning: full reconciliation and the promised earthly kingdom for Israel.
Yes God has promised a new Jerusalem, but not of this world, but in the earth made new. What would be the point of an eartly kingdom now just before Jesus returns when this earth is going to be totally destroyed like it is. This must be the NEW JERUSALEM; GODS HOLY CITY WHICH HE IS PREPARING FOR ALL THE RIGHTOUSS; JEW AND GENTILE (THE TRUE CHURCH;THE TRUE ISRAEL, THE TRUE JEWS!)
John 18.36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world.

The primary functions for the Jewish nation were to preserve Scriptures and introduce the Messiah to the world, which was accomplished at Pentecost.

Don’t forget that “they are not all Israel, which are of Israel” (Romans 9:6).

And last, but not least, if you think that God is supporting all the masons in Israel, which obviously are satanic, then I believe you should consider your view once again. Read the following information:


Illuministic Communism the Goal

The goal of the Jewish Masonic elite is to establish dictatorial Illuministic Communism and to enslave all of mankind under the thumb of a Jewish master race led by a world messiah who is to rule from Jerusalem.

An essential element in this grandiose plan is the Masonic plot to blow up and destroy Islam's golden-domed monument now sitting on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, despised by Orthodox Jewish rabbis and the secularist Masonic Illuminists alike.

On the heap of its ruins, the Masons intend to build a Jewish Masonic temple where they and their satanically energized messiah shall worship and pay homage to the Egyptian double-headed eagle deity, Mammon-Ra, the god of money and prosperity (Daniel 11:37-39).

The Jews are beset with an unbridled ambition—a consuming desire to acquire global power and establish once and for all their long-delayed Zionist Kingdom on planet earth.
 
#22
Our Back Yard Of Dirt And Corruption......dirt

MASONIC JEWS PLOT TO CONTROL THE WORLD!

Look at the Bush Family................

and then backwards..........



Talk of the pot calling the kettle black
Look at your own home land..........see it first........with new eyes and vision.

Got a dollar? Look at it... see who is who?
 
#23
Hi Love123!

First of all I want to say that US is not my homeland, Norway is, not that it has anything to do with this issue. As for the U.S governement and the Masons, I am very well aware that they are a part of it too. If you had taken time to read the article I quoted from it would say so in the very first sentence.

Now the lid is blown off the forbidden, secret powderkeg of the Masonic Jews who run Israel and, by extension, the United States and the world.
I have studied the Masons, Skull and Bones and the hidden agenda behind a lot of the popular organizations such as the UN for instance and also religions and various "christian" denominations such as the Roman Catholic church, Mormons , Jehova's witness etc.

But I think few are aware of that the :

Freemasonry is Jewish Magic
One of the unheralded and least known facts about Freemasonry and the Masonic Lodge is its Jewish origins and nature. The religion of Judaism, based on the Babylonian Talmud, and the Jewish Cabala (or, Kabala), an alchemical system of magic and deviltry, form the basis for the Scottish Rite's 33 ritual degree ceremonies.

Thus, The Jewish Tribune of New York, on October 28, 1927, stated; "Masonry is based on Judaism. Eliminate the teachings of Judaism from the Masonic Ritual and what is left?"

The well known rabbi, Isaac Wise, was emphatic when he concluded: "Freemasonry is a Jewish establishment, whose history, grades, official appointments, passwords, and explanations are Jewish from beginning to end."

As for my own home-country. Take a look at this:



This is a picture of the students pathway in the University of Oslo (Norway). This occultic pentagram forms as the student walk to the different entrances in the snow.

It seems as though we are a part of it too. So I am not a nationalist, I am NOT against the Jews nor any other group of people just to make that point CRYSTAL CLEAR!!
I am just a seeker of the truth, whatever it must hold. And I am not blindly supporting the country Israel in every action they do, when the Bible clearly says that God makes NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN PEOPLE, RACES OR NATIONS!


“Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him” (Acts 10:34, 35).
 
#24
I WOULD ADVICE EVERYONE TO WATCH THESE VIDEOS:
A video series that will blow your mind. It shows the connections between a very powerful world religion and secret societies.

Normally you have to order them, but I found them for free on Google.

Total Onslaught #11 God's Guiding Gift
One of the distinguishing features of the organazation that counters Satan's kingdom as brought forth in Revelation 12 & 14 is that they have the testimony ...

Total Onslaught #12 Earth's Final Warning
A study of Revelation 14, which describes the final message of warning that is given to the world. The message of the three angels is clearly described ...


Total Onslaught #4 Behind the Scenes: The New World Order and The UN
A look into history and current world events - with whom have the kings of the earth committed fornication? What constitutes the new world order? How ...

Total Onslaught #13 1844 & The Final Onslaught This presentation describes the consumatioin of the 2300 day/year prophecy of Daniel 8:14. It shows that the same satanic hatred which led to the crucifixtion ...


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Total Onslaught #9 The Crime of All Ages In this presentation, the behind-the-scenes activities of the Antichrist are revealed - how he places himself in the temple of God claiming to be God ...


Total Onslaught #10 A Stone to Rest Your Head This is a study of Revelation Chapter 10, which reveals the countermovement to the multiplicity of errors that Satan has sent into this world to rob ...


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Total Onslaught #5 That All May Be One The Catholic - Protestant controversy is examined in detail through history and current world events. Quoting prominent world thinkers and leaders, ...


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Total Onslaught #7 The Final Conflict Recent world events and how they coorelate with end time Bible prophecy.


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http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=total+onslaught
 
#25
Anti-Semitism by any other name

MASONIC JEWS PLOT TO CONTROL THE WORLD!
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other word would smell as sweet."

--William Shakespeare
From Romeo and Juliet (II, ii, 1-2)

Likewise, anti-Semitism by any other name (e.g. Replacement Theology) still stinks.

Moreover, conspiracy theories are like opinions, everybody has one.
 
#26
WHAT???!! I can't believe it! I have explained again and again and again:
I AM NOT ANTI-SEMITISC!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM NOT AGAINST JEWS; NOR ANY OTHER GROUP OR RACE!!!!!

But I do not favour them more than other groups of people either! If that is anti-semitism to you, than I believe you should analyse that phrase a little further! That is a HUGE insult to make!!!

THE BIBLE SAYS: For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him. Rom. 10. 12.

A lot of the Jews (government) are Masons, that's a FACT NOT A THEORY!
 
#27
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
 
#28
Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
And it goes on to say:

Romans 11

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30 For as ye (Gentiles) in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31 Even so have these (Jews) also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.


32 For God hath concluded them all (Jews and Gentiles) in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
This whole chapter is to inform the Gentiles that the literal Israel (Jews) are not abandoned by God, but it does not mean that every single Jew will be saved. It just mean that God will have equal mercy on the Jews as the Gentiles. God has not cast away the literal Jews, they are just as welcome into the family of Gods children as the Gentiles. But they will not become rightouss only because they are Jews, they have to accept Jesus as their Messiah and follow His commandments just as us Gentiles.
 
#29
Gal 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
#30
"(1) Christianity is Jewish, (2) anti-semitism is un-Christian, and (3) refusing or neglecting to evangelize Jews is antisemitic." --David H. Stern (Restoring the Jewishness of the Gospel, Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc., 1988)
 
#31
John Mark! Have I ever given any indication what so ever to imply that we are not supposed to evangelize to the Jews??? NO!!! I have said that there are no difference between Jew or Gentile, we are all the same to God and we are just as responsible to evangelize to the Jews as to the Gentiles!
 

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#32
As for my own home-country. Take a look at this:



This is a picture of the students pathway in the University of Oslo (Norway). This occultic pentagram forms as the student walk to the different entrances in the snow.
All I see is a series of paths. I think you're reading way too much into this. Do you honestly believe there is an occultic influence on the students?
 
#33
Hi HisManySongs!

The reason I chose to show that pic was just to show you that I am not a nationalist, and that we have secret societies here as well as in most other countries.

Well there is a connection between the Illuminati and the education systems like Universities. Remember they call themselves the ENLIGHTENED ones and ABOVE all others. Skull and Bones are also connected to Yale University so yes I believe there is a connection here. Remember the Masons are in top-positions (elite) and controls most of our society, including politics. And to think that they see Lucifer as their God according to Mason literature, is quite disturbing. If you find it hard to believe I would advise you and everybody else to watch those links I put out here: Total onslaught! They will show you that the secrets behind secret societies and a lot of other organizations, including UN and also socalled Christian denominations (like mormonism, Catholic Church, Jehovas witness) + other religions are not as innocent as you would think. These series show EVIDENCE, not just theories. Watch and learn, you would be amazed! It is truly mind-blowing and everyone should know about this!

By the way it is a Christian Biologist and a former Roman Catholic who are the spokesman for most of the videos.
 

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#34
The reason I chose to show that pic was just to show you that I am not a nationalist, and that we have secret societies here as well as in most other countries.
I don't think the picture is an example of the presence of a secret society but rather an example of reading too much into a picture.
 
#35
I don't think the picture is an example of the presence of a secret society but rather an example of reading too much into a picture.
Well, I could have chosen to show you a number of pictures from US (How the Architecture in Washington consists of masonic/occultic symbols) But this was the only picture I had at hand from my own country. I would not have put out that particular picture if it had not been for the things I was accused for. Now, like I said if you would bother to watch some of the videos, which are very serious (no bogus, humbo jumbo nonsense), but the real stuff, with evidences (pictures and quotes from the institutions, societies themselves) you would probably say otherwise. But as I can not force anyone to watch anything then I guess that will be your loss....
 
#36
God has two elect groups upon earth –
Israel (Romans 11:28) and the Church (1 Peter 1:2).

The signs of Matthew 24 are presented to elect Israel.
We know this to be true because of the regard for the Sabbath Day (vs. 20), synagogues (Luke 21:12), and because the setting is Jerusalem (vs. 20).

These signs are for Israel who is looking for the return of her King in Revelation 19.
They are not signposts for the Rapture.
The gospel mentioned in Matthew 24:24 is the gospel of the kingdom that the King is about to return (Revelation 19:16)

You can say all you want against a Jew you make a Gentile head over the Jew.......

But I see in the Holy City of the New Jerusalem...........God Honors His beloved.

The New Holy City of Jerusalem in Jerusalem...........and the twelve gates of The Holy city have the names of Jewish tribes............

I know the Jews are special to God.........they have been persecuted for Jesus name sake.........and then some...........God loves them......

Gentiles know not the tormentation of the Jew. You can put yourself on a pedestal.........count me out.........I am thankful for salvation......I know God loves the Jews.......His heart is there.........you’ll see in the end.



"The Jews in God's Purpose". Yes, God's salvation is also offered to Gentiles (non-Jews). Jesus will rule the world from Jerusalem. "The Gentiles shall see your righteousness, and all kings your glory" (Isaiah 62:2). And it all comes down to this verse....notice there is no stipulations here By God..Ill choose you if...nope....



"For thou art an Holy people unto the Lord thy God, the Lord Thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are on the face of the earth"


GOD CALLS THE JEW A HOLY PEOPLE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH ................THAT COUNTS YOU OUT. UNLESS YOU’RE A JEW.
Go on tell me Im a Jew.........and Ill say wow..........I wanted to be black.....

but no group will take me in......no Jew or no black.
We are what we are...........face it. Your Gentile...........not Jew.
If the Holocaust were on right now ..........you would be the first to scream I’m not Jewish.

SPEAKING OF JEWS:
"For thou art an Holy people unto the Lord thy God, the Lord Thy God hath chosen thee to be a "peculiar" people unto himself, above all people that are on the face of the earth"

peculiar from the hebrew Dictionary for the word "seg-ool-law"' or "hllgo" MEans "valued property" they belong to God


God calls them stiff necked.............and he loves them so......they are holy people.
A Stiff-Necked People
And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.
-- Exodus 32: 9-10 (KJV)


DO YOU HATE THE JEWS?

The Gentiles shall see thou art an Holy people unto the Lord thy God, the Lord Thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are on the face of the earth"


You equate yourself with Jews.......im white.......I cant be black.

deal with it.
 
#38
You can equate your self all you want ..........but the first moment of chaos..........for a real true Jew.......You would scream ........I’m not a Jew.......I’m a Gentile.

The Jews are Gods Chosen People..........they have gone through more hell than you can imagine........in your gentile sweet dreams.........

They have more still to overcome............either have a blood transfusion or be who you are in the body of Christ.


God Bless
 
#39
Love123 wrote:
I know the Jews are special to God.........they have been persecuted for Jesus name sake.........and then some...........God loves them......

Gentiles know not the tormentation of the Jew. You can put yourself on a pedestal.........count me out.........I am thankful for salvation......I know God loves the Jews.......His heart is there.........you’ll see in the end.
The Jews are Gods Chosen People..........they have gone through more hell than you can imagine........in your gentile sweet dreams.........
In case you have forgot, I will remind you of the Inquisition by the Roman catholic church where over 100 million people, most christians who took their Bible serious were tortured and slaughtered because they would not bow down to the system (Roman catholic church).

SO if you think that it is only the Jews who have been persecuted I would advise you to google: inquisition.

"For teaching faith contrary to the teaching of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more than 100 million people." Brief Bible Readings p. 16

"For professing faith contrary to the teachings of the Church of Rome, history records the martyrdom of more then one hundred million people. A million Waldenses and Albigenses [Swiss and French Protestants] perished during a crusade proclaimed by Pope Innocent III in 1208. Beginning from the establishment of the Jesuits in 1540 to 1580, nine hundred thousand were destroyed. One hundred and fifty thousand perished by the Inquisition in thirty years. Within the space of thirty-eight years after the edict of Charles V against the Protestants, fifty thousand persons were hanged, beheaded, or burned alive for heresy. Eighteen thousand more perished during the administration of the Duke of Alva in five and a half years."--Brief Bible Readings, p. 16.

So if you think that it is only the Jews who have been persecuted, I think you should think again. And also as all the literal Jews have not accepted Jesus, how can they be persecuted for His names sake? It is the christians (Spritual Jews -literal Jews and gentiles-) who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus who have been persecuted for His names sake.

Yes the Jews were treated in a horrible manner during Hitlers dictatorship, but so has many Gentiles (protestants) by the Roman Catholic church. But for some weird reason the whole world seem to have forgotten all about that!

"There was no village of the Vaudois valleys but had its martyrs. The Waldenses were burned; they were cast into damp and horrid dungeons; they were smothered in crowds in mountain caverns, mothers and babes, and old men and women together; they were sent out into exile in the winter night, unclothed and unfed, to climb the snowy mountains; they were hurled over the rocks; their houses and lands were taken from them; their children were stolen to be indoctrinated with the religion which they abhorred. Rapacious individuals were sent among them to strip them of their property, to persecute and exterminate them. Thousands of heretics" or Waldenses, "old men, women and children, were hung, quartered, broken upon the wheel, or burned alive and their property confiscated for the benefit of the king, and Holy See."-Thompson - The Papacy and the Civil Power
 

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#40
Well, I could have chosen to show you a number of pictures from US (How the Architecture in Washington consists of masonic/occultic symbols) But this was the only picture I had at hand from my own country. I would not have put out that particular picture if it had not been for the things I was accused for. Now, like I said if you would bother to watch some of the videos, which are very serious (no bogus, humbo jumbo nonsense), but the real stuff, with evidences (pictures and quotes from the institutions, societies themselves) you would probably say otherwise. But as I can not force anyone to watch anything then I guess that will be your loss....
Yes, I'm sure you could have shown me many pictures. My point is that the picture you chose has absolutly nothing to do with the occult. It is merely paths worn in the snow as students walk from one point to another. I don't believe it helps you makes your point and probably weakens it as you attepmt to read into it something that isn't there..