Jesus Loved Prostitutes!

I gotta say if the consonsants that comprise the term harlot and giver of food and provisions are the same znh then who on earth would would want to say it was a harlot. She provided shelter which would go with the second occupation I mentioned.
 
Ricko1 said:
Terry go easy on him/ her use a good spirit with everyone..
just sayin'
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I forgive him .. but I disliked his accusing and gave his tone right back ..
but you are correct ..

all it takes is basic math skills to see they are not the same Rahab ..
as well as the Rahab of Jesus lineage was Salmon's wife ..
 
OK I was reading all of it. Some people do not posses Biblical Knowledge or discernment as others may have. But you made valid points anyway...God Bless!
 
Ricko1 said:
OK I was reading all of it. Some people do not posses Biblical Knowledge or discernment as others may have. But you made valid points anyway...God Bless!
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here is what it reminds me of ..
Mary,the mother of Jesus, the "Sister of Aaron" in Sura 19:27-28
In Hebrew & Arabic Mary is Miriam ..
Miriam in the OT was the sister of Aaron. And Aaron was the brother of Moses.
The 2 Miriams lived about 1300 years difference.
Mary,the mother of Jesus, is also called "Daughter of Imram" in Sura 66:12
In the OT Amram/Imram is the father of Miriam, Aaron and Moses.
If you read Sura 3:35-36 you will see the text also tells the same thing indirectly, that Miriam/Mary had a father called Imram
Jesus' mother Mary's father was Heli ..
 
Joel1982 said:
I gotta say if the consonsants that comprise the term harlot and giver of food and provisions are the same znh then who on earth would would want to say it was a harlot. She provided shelter which would go with the second occupation I mentioned.
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true .. but Heb 11:31 & Jam 2:25 use the Greek word "pornē" which verifies the use of znh as zanah ..
so the Rahab of Jericho (a Jebusite and not a Hebrew) was a harlot ..
and lived about 300 years before Salmon's wife Rahab who was the father of Boaz ..

I suppose the Rahab of Psa 89:10, Isa 30:7, Isa 51:9 (exterminated) is the same Rahab Joshua spared, as well and still lived among them (Jos 6:25) .. as well as Salmon's wife ..
perhaps the 3 Mary's in the NT are all the same one too ..

the word translated in Jos 2:1 as harlot is 'ishshah (which means woman) ..
the word translated in Jos 6:17 as harlot is zanah (which means harlot) ..
the word translated in Jos 6:25 as harlot is zanah (which means harlot) ..
 
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according to my calculations .. Joshua led the Israelites across the Jordan in 1406 bc ..
they crossed opposite the Jordan and Jericho was the first place they went ..

now count the generations backward from King Solomon to Salmon and his WIFE (not harlot) ..

1 Kings 6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.

480 yrs - 40 yrs wandering = 440 yrs before King David's son Solomon (in 4th yr) built the Temple .. even if they did not have kids until 30 yrs old .. the Rahab of Jericho was still close to 300 yrs before the Rahab (wife of Salmon) of Jesus' lineage ..
 
ixoye_8 said:
true .. but Heb 11:31 & Jam 2:25 use the Greek word "pornē" which verifies the use of znh as zanah ..
so the Rahab of Jericho (a Jebusite and not a Hebrew) was a harlot ..
and lived about 300 years before Salmon's wife Rahab who was the father of Boaz ..

I suppose the Rahab of Psa 89:10, Isa 30:7, Isa 51:9 (exterminated) is the same Rahab Joshua spared, as well and still lived among them (Jos 6:25) .. as well as Salmon's wife ..
perhaps the 3 Mary's in the NT are all the same one too ..

the word translated in Jos 2:1 as harlot is 'ishshah (which means woman) ..
the word translated in Jos 6:17 as harlot is zanah (which means harlot) ..
the word translated in Jos 6:25 as harlot is zanah (which means harlot) ..
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Unbelievable! The lack of Bible explanations here are appalling. No, is the answer my friend. IN Jos. Rahab was a prostitute, a real woman. But not in Psalms or Isaiah.

Psalms 89:10
"You crushed Rahab like a carcass; but scattered your enemies with your mighty arm".

The Rahab of Psalms 89:10 is the nation of Egypt. (Look at Psalms 87:4 for conformation)
Egypt was crushed like a corpse beneath the chariot wheels of God's people. The impious Pharaoh and his might host were no match for the almighty JAH (68:4).

Isaiah 51:9
"Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the Lord; awake, as in days of old,
the generations of long ago. Was it not you who cut Rahab in pieces, who pierced the dragon."

Like the Psalmist of 89, the prophet urges that God awake an is the ancient days. Again, the proper exegesis is that Rahab (broad expanse) and dragon (monster) often refers to the crocodile and are used in symbols for Egypt and are also associated with the power of God over chaos in the creation.

There seems to be a great deal of being unable to know what the Scriptures say and or understand them completely. I am by far the lest of anyone here but if you will allow me I will try to explain the very simple story of Rahab in the book of Joshua.

Joshua 2:1, 3; 6:17-25; Matthew 1:5; Hebrews 11:31; James 2:25

Name Meaning—The first part of Rahab—“Ra,” was the name of an Egyptian god. As an Amorite, Rahab belonged to an idolatrous people, and had a name meaning “insolence,” “fierceness,” or “broad,” “spaciousness.”

Family Connections—While Rahab’s parents, brothers and sisters were alive at the time of her association with the spies Joshua sent out, we are not given any of their names (Joshua 2:13). Some of the ancient Jewish fathers who held her in high reputation reckoned that she was the wife of Joshua himself, but in the royal genealogy of Jesus, Rahab is referred to as being the wife of Salmon, one of the two spies she sheltered.

In turn, she became the mother of Boaz, who married Ruth from whose son, Obed, Jesse the father of David came, through whose line Jesus was born (Matthew 1:5, where the asv reads, “Salmon begat Boaz of Rahab”—not Rachab). Salmon was a prince of the house of Judah, and thus, Rahab, the one time heathen harlot, married into one of the leading families of Israel and became an ancestress of our Lord, the other foreign ancestresses being Tamar, Ruth and Bathsheba.

The gratitude Salmon felt for Rahab ripened into love, and when grace erased her former life of shame he made her his wife. Jerome’s comment of the inclusion of the four foreign women in Matthew’s genealogy is suggestive—

In it none of the holy women are included, only those whom the Scriptures blame, in order that He who came in behalf of sinners, Himself being born of sinners, might destroy the sins of all.

Both Jewish and Christian writers have tried to prove that Rahab was a different woman from the one whom the Bible always speaks of as a “harlot.” To them it was abhorrent that such a disreputable person should be included in our Lord’s genealogy and by Paul, as a woman of faith, and so her story has been distorted in order to further a scheme of salvation based upon human goodness. Although man’s sense of refinement may be shocked, the fact remains that Rahab, Tamar and Bathsheba were sinful women who were purged by God, and had their share in the royal line from which Jesus sprang.

It has been suggested that the word “harlot” can be translated “innkeeper,” thus making Rahab the landlady of a wayside tavern. Guesses have been made that she had been a concubine, such as Hagar and Zilpah had been, but that in Jericho she was a reputable woman identified with a respectable business. The Bible, however, makes no attempt to smooth over the unpleasant fact that Rahab had been a harlot.

A further lesson to be gleaned from Rahab the harlot is that of deep concern for the salvation of others. With the shadow of death and destruction over Jericho, Rahab extracted a promise from Joshua’s spies not only to spare her, but also all those bound to her by human ties. While her life of sin and shame had estranged her from her family, self was not her sole consideration in her request for safety. She desired all her loved ones to share in the preservation.

What a vein of gold that was in such a despised character! When the mighty change took place in Rahab’s life, and she was transformed from a whore into a worshiper of Jehovah, we are not told. As she received and hid the spies, her tribute to God’s omnipotence and sure triumph over His foes reveals a spiritual insight God grants to all who believe. And restored to honor and holiness, the redeemed harlot pleads for her parents, and brothers, and sisters. Do we make Rahab’s prayer for the salvation of her family, the cry for our own homes? Is ours the same passionate supplication for all of our dear ones that when death strikes they may be found sheltered by the atoning blood of the Redeemer? When at evening the sun goeth down, will our loved ones be as stars in our crown?
 
Joel1982 said:
I gotta say if the consonsants that comprise the term harlot and giver of food and provisions are the same znh then who on earth would would want to say it was a harlot. She provided shelter which would go with the second occupation I mentioned.
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But Joel, what is the reason that we just do not read it (Bible) and accept it as printed.

Three times over Rahab is referred to as “the harlot,” and the Hebrew term zoonah and the Greek word porne have at no time meant anything else but “harlot”—a woman who yields herself indiscriminately to every man approaching her.

Rahab indulged in venal wantonness as traveling merchants came her way and were housed in her illfamed abode. Evidently Rahab had her own house and lived apart from her parents and family. Although she never lost her concern for her dear ones, perhaps she was treated as a moral leper.

We are told that prostitution was not regarded with the same horror then, as now, but the Bible with one voice speaks of harlotry with moral revulsion and social ostracism. Do you find that to be the case?
 
Major said:
Unbelievable! The lack of Bible explanations here are appalling. No, is the answer my friend. IN Jos. Rahab was a prostitute, a real woman. But not in Psalms or Isaiah.
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Unbelievable!
the lack of math skills are appalling ..

I was poking fun at you about the Psalms and Isaiah verses ..
but I see that went over your head as well ..
none the less .. I showed you WHY Salmon's WIFE (not harlot) of Jesus' lineage could NOT be the same person .. you have NOT shown WHY it could be ..
 
JESUS' LINEAGE ..
Perez had ..
Hezron had ..
Ram had ..
Amminadab had ..
Nashon had ..
Salmon & Rahab had ..
Boaz & Ruth had ..
Obed had ..
Jesse had ..
David & Bathsheba had ..
Solomon & Naamah had ..
Rehoboam .. etc ..

according to my calculations .. Joshua led the Israelites across the Jordan in 1406 bc ..
they crossed opposite the Jordan and Jericho was the first place they went ..

now count the generations backward from King Solomon to Salmon and his WIFE (not harlot) ..

1 Kings 6:1 And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif, which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD.

480 yrs - 40 yrs wandering = 440 yrs before King David's son Solomon (in 4th yr) built the Temple .. even if they did not have kids until 30 yrs old .. the Rahab of Jericho was still close to 300 yrs before the Rahab (wife of Salmon) of Jesus' lineage ..

BTW: your cc&p opinion are a dime as dozen, and you can find one online to mach whatever opinion you may hold .. thinking for yourself is becoming uncommon ..
 
Major said:
As an Amorite, Rahab belonged to an idolatrous people
pure speculation, where does it say Rahab was a Amorite ???

Some of the ancient Jewish fathers who held her in high reputation reckoned that she was the wife of Joshua himself,
lol .. they believed scripture was false and they knew better ..

In turn, she became the mother of Boaz,
pure speculation that math refutes ..

and thus, Rahab, the one time heathen harlot, married into one of the leading families of Israel
pure speculation, where does it say she stopped being a harlot or got married or to an Israelite ???

The gratitude Salmon felt for Rahab ripened into love, and when grace erased her former life of shame he made her his wife.
pure speculation, where does it say Salmon's wife was ever a harlot or Rahab stopped being a harlot ???

To them it was abhorrent that such a disreputable person should be included in our Lord’s genealogy
wrong .. it is mathematically incorrect ..

While her life of sin and shame had estranged her from her family
pure speculation, where does it say they were estranged ???

When the mighty change took place in Rahab’s life
pure speculation, where does it say a mighty change took place in Rahab’s life ???
we are only told "she was justified by her works/deed" (Jam 2:25) ..
because she "welcomed the spies in peace" (Hbr 11:31)

And restored to honor and holiness, the redeemed harlot
pure speculation, where does it say she stopped being a harlot ???

this commentary writer has a great future ahead as a novelist ..
I bet you believe Hollywood movies are factual too ..
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Major said:
Tamar was a sinful women.
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ummm .. ok sure ..

Tamar was unmarried and possibly a virgin .. she did have sex with Judah ..
fornicate or act of marriage with a pledge ???
but was by no means a harlot ..
it would seem that they did NOT have marriage ceremonies back then, so if you had sex with a woman (non harlot) it constituted marriage ..
Gen 38:2 Judah saw there a daughter of a certain Canaanite whose name was Shua; and he took her and went in to her.
Gen 38:3 So she conceived and bore a son and he named him Er.
Gen 38:4 Then she conceived again and bore a son and named him Onan.
Gen 38:5 She bore still another son and named him Shelah; and it was at Chezib that she bore him.

Tamar was the widow of Judah's 1st son ..
and it seems, may still have been a VIRGIN (Gen 38:7,9) ..
Judah just THOUGHT she was a harlot ..
so Judah was going to purposely have sex with a harlot ..
yet thought he paid for sex, but was ready to burn a woman whom he thought took pay for sex ..
he was a hypocrite ..
Gen 38:15 When Judah saw her, he thought she was a harlot, for she had covered her face.

Tamar was legally single, and wanted Judah .. so she allowed him to think whatever he did, and hence hooked him after all .. notice pay for sex was the deal, but she NEVER took the pay for it .. and WHY Judah said "she was more righteous then him .. thus if that was marriage, he justified her and himself legally .. so how is she a stain more then others ???

Gen 38:24 Now it was about three months later that Judah was informed, “Your daughter-in-law Tamar has played the harlot, and behold, she is also with child by harlotry.” Then Judah said, “Bring her out and let her be burned!”
Gen 38:25 It was while she was being brought out that she sent to her father-in-law, saying, “I am with child by the man to whom these things belong.” And she said, “Please examine and see, whose signet ring and cords and staff are these?”
Gen 38:26 Judah recognized them, and said, “She is more righteous than I, inasmuch as I did not give her to my son Shelah.” And he did not have relations with her again.
 
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Daniel Rush said:
That is why we have "The Law" which Christ did not destroy with his coming. And we are to expose people's sin
and tell them they are on their way to hell if they chose to keep going on the track they've taken; that is the true
love that Christ spoke of. Christ loved but he loved with authority not a blank check.
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I'm a Christian .. I'm not under the Law of Moses ..
Jesus replaced the Law of Moses with a NEW covenant ..
the reason He did not abolish completely, is so the Jews have a covenant until the tome of the gentiles is complete ..
 
Ginger said:
Excuse me, but the Scriptures are clear we are to appeal to people to change the sinful ways and turn to God....doesn't matter that we are sinners too.

If a man is cheating on his spouse, is it judging to tell him he is doing wrong and should stop. Or is it an act of caring for his soul and his family? Is it Okay for him to cheat because, may you did the same thing once? Do you have to support his decision to cheat because you did it? Romans 7

The jerk probably won't stop, but at least you will have a clear conscience. And if he's your best friend and hates you for telling him he's doing wrong and never wants to speak to you again (altho that's more of a woman thing) who cares?

This wishy-washy christianity that says we aren't to correwct bad behavior is nonesense and ends up hurting innocent people. It also hinders a person from bettering himself.
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We are to correct, but from love for God is love and that is how he corrects. If you call someone a "jerk" you are not ready to correct them because you are not doing it from the Holy Spirit, but from your flesh. If we are to correct someone it must be from the love the Holy Spirit provides. Otherwise it is no more than, "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye" (Matt 7:3). For everything that is not of faith is sin and we are to be as God walking in love. It takes faith to have love for others sometimes and if not by faith it is sin (Romans 14:23).
 
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