- Sep 16, 2011
I said the same thing about Jesus before I got saved. That is why scripture says 1 Cor 12:3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. and Peter's account in Matt 16, 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.I have read many books next to the Bible. Under this also books which consider Jesus Christ a Christen differently. For me a certain picture has developed from this.
Historical Jesus has to be affirmed and honored absolutely, he was far ahead of his time anyway. I have, however, problems with Jesus as a son of God. And why want I to say to you also.
Where a man was everywhere in history of religion, described as Erlöser etc.; he always had the same qualities and historical backgrounds:
Born by a Virgin
Taught revolutionary doctrines in his time
Died a violent death at the cross or something else.
Identical, on Horus, Mithras, Krishna; or as all of them were called.
For me Jesus Christ is an outstanding person but not the son of God.
I know that many cannot understand this here in the forum. They could because of my statement verbally attack and sentence me because of this perhaps; but this is the result of my researches.
As you mentioned Jesus has had a tremendous impact. Have you read 'Napoleons' explanation of Jesus being divine? (well worth the read) http://www.thesacredpage.com/2008/04/napoleons-proof-for-divinity-of-jesus.html.
I have great respect for all who ''approve'' of the teachings of Jesus. Love neighbour, turn left cheek and feeding your enemy are no easy feats. Since you approve of them, do you practice them? I respect many 'God fearing' people. But I believe James 4:8 completely. A truly God fearing person will have an encounter with God and get the same revelation Peter did. If you don't then the question I pose to you is what Paul says in Phil 2:12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Do you do that? Do you get on your knees in fear and trembling before God and justify yourself to Him? I did that and my life changed. We ''think'' we are ok. But we are not.
Then on sacrifice for sins for those sessions of self judgement, have you read Heb 10? Jesus causes offence with all religions when He says, John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Either Jesus was mad or He was the Son of God. He never gained anything for His teaching (no reason to lie) and no person will die selflessly for people who hate him.
As for the Jesus vs Horus myth http://www.jonsorensen.net/2012/10/25/horus-manure-debunking-the-jesushorus-connection/.
You see Jutta, you, having been in church KNOW what scripture says. There are many teachings by Jesus, Paul and the prophets that you simply cannot ignore having read them. Anyone who has heard the truth of scripture is in a corner. They either accept it completely or reject it completely. Nobody having heard the gospel can sit on the fence. We can say we do, but we know our heart. Many 'ex-Christians' avoid Phil 2:12.
Many of us have been guilty of backsliding in some way, fortunately for us all...as long as we are alive there is hope to come back to Him. Nobody living is beyond hope! and if you don't think you need to repent, get on your knees in fear and trembling before a loving and holy God and tell Him that.