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The fall of man was when Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree though?
Three events changed our calendar: The Flood, Joshua's long day, and Hezekiah's 10 degrees backwards. The culmination of the changes made the 360 days 365.2425. There's no record of the rotation changing the length of a day (except for Joshua's). Many cultures have legends that seem to be based on this event. For example, there is a Greek myth of Apollo’s son, Phaethon, who disrupted the sun’s course for a day. And since Joshua 10 is historical, cultures on the opposite side of the world should have legends of a long night. In fact, the New Zealand Maori people have a myth about how their hero Maui slowed the sun before it rose, while the Mexican Annals of Cuauhtitlan (the history of the empire of Culhuacan and Mexico) records a night that continued for an extended time. I believe that Joshua's long day may have been a polar shift because after the sun rose and set in different places (where they rise and set today) and what caused the land of "milk and honey" into the desert that region is now. But it's all speculative because no one recorded what exactly happened.
Yes. (I'm still writing about your other question.)
Adam was 930 years old at 360-day years. One day is/was 24 hours. The length of the year is what changed. The 1000 years is like a day to God and He uses the terminology as such. So when He told Adam he'd die if he ate the fruit he'd die in that day, he did, at 930 years old, but less than a day in God's eyes. Here's another example of this.
Hosea 6:2 (KJV)
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.
I did a thread on this already (http://www.christianforumsite.com/threads/new-timeline ) but in a nutshell, from Israel's last monarch (63 BC) to when they became a nation was "after 2 days" 2000 years and it ended in 1938 when the Jews were beginning to be persecuted by the Nazis and as a result became a nation in a day in 1948 "after two days".
10 Now a river went out of Eden to water the garden, and from there it parted and became four riverheads. 11 The name of the first is Pishon; it is the one which skirts the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold. 12 And the gold of that land is good. Bdellium and the onyx stone are there. 13 The name of the second river is Gihon; it is the one which goes around the whole land of Cush. 14 The name of the third river is Hiddekel; it is the one which goes toward the east of Assyria. The fourth river is the Euphrates.
Where is Havilah? I found several possible locations when I searched.
Is there any relevance to Gold and Onyx being mentioned so early in the bible?
Where is Havilah? I found several possible locations when I searched.
Is there any relevance to Gold and Onyx being mentioned so early in the bible?
So as we understand time, Adam did actually live for 930 x 365 x 24 hours?
930 X 360 X 24 hours
That's one of the missing rivers, probably lost to the Persian Gulf. When I lived in Bahrain there's a tree called the Tree of Life, but it's only 400 years old from a species that only lives about 90 years. I believe Eden was probably from Israel to the Persian Gulf and after the exile was consumed over time by the curse and with the change of the calendar caused that lush green to turn desert and created all that oil. Just my thought, no evidence.
As to the Gold and Onyx, remember, Genesis was told to Moses who wrote all of it almost 2000 years after it all happened, so it was a point of reference that may have been common knowledge to Moses at that time.
Truly, I love your commands more than gold, even the finest gold. (Psalms 119:127 NLT)
For wisdom is more profitable than silver, and her wages are better than gold. (Proverbs 3:14 NLT)
These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world. (1 Peter 1:7 NLT)
Gold is as important then if not more than it is now.
For wisdom is more profitable than silver, and her wages are better than gold. (Proverbs 3:14 NLT)
These trials will show that your faith is genuine. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—though your faith is far more precious than mere gold. So when your faith remains strong through many trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world. (1 Peter 1:7 NLT)
Gold is as important then if not more than it is now.
So is that the time of the fall of man?
No, that's the length of his life. He fell some time before being less than 110 years old because he had Cain and Abel (twins) who had to be old enough to be able to farm and keep sheep, sacrifice and then have enough understanding to kill, as Cain did to Abel, then Seth was born when Adam was 130 years old.
So the fall of man was somewhere between say 30 and 110 years?
I'm still puzzled as to how a lion could survive without eating meat for this time.
Indeed. As to the lion, no animal killed another until after the fall of man. It will return like that too where the lion will eat straw like the ox when the curse is lifted.
Isaiah 11:6-8 (KJV)
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
But a lion cannot survive on straw.
15 Then the Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
If God is omniscient, why put a tree of knowledge there knowing full well Adam would eat it?
If God is omniscient, why put a tree of knowledge there knowing full well Adam would eat it?
Free will. Without it, we'd just be robots.
God gave Adam and Eve instructions. They had a choice.
But if God is omniscient surely he knew what their choice would be. Why put a temptation there if he knew they would take it.
Abdicate.........would you post the Bible verses that confirm your comment of Cain and Abel being twins?
The Million Dollar question.
Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these [things].
God does what He wishes because He can.
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