This may help you see the effects of sin. Sin can not be taken lightly in any shape or form. God is holy, He can not tolerate sin.
Learning Genesis
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Whether I believe in evolution or creation matters little, a lion is a lion and has to eat meat but we'll leave this point as I have to accept a lion can eat grass it seems.
DNA wasn't discovered until the 20th century, so no. He was first, we all came from him, we're defective in our current state and it only took 5990 years to get to our current state. Beside in Hebrew the "skins" that God made for them is a play on words. The play on word is "light". I won't get into that because it'll be too much.
Today maybe, but not in the garden. You cannot pick and choose the words of God.
He ceased and desisted from creating and making that which He had previously created and made...
Ohh my!! Ohh My!! You are being fed much straw when like a carnivore, you want meat Tubby Tubby.
There is much to catch up on and I don't have a lot of time to devote to all the things that have been posted over night.
In Genesis there is a complex mixture of the literal and symbolic. God created us with the ability to reason and that is exactly what we need to be doing.
Isa 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.
When Adam was told that in the day that he would eat of the tree of knowledge he would die, that did happen. There are no fancy gymnastics involved here with days meaning years etc.
First, the fruit of the tree of knowledge, what was it? An apple? No it was something spiritual, not physical. It was rebellion against God's authority, and it was a display of mistrust in God....A lack of faith.
The death that Adam inherited by that consumption was separation from fellowship with God.
Gen 3:7 Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loincloths.
Gen 3:8 And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 But the LORD God called to the man and said to him, "Where are you?"
Gen 3:10 And he said, "I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself."
Obviously they had been enjoying a time of pleasant fellowship with God, but now that ability was dead. This is what death is BTW, separation.
Consider this that Jesus spoke....Matt 22:32 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not God of the dead, but of the living." Yet from our perspective, those three were separated from us by death. But not separated from God...obviously.
Later on in the New Testament we learn finally that the wages of sin is death and this death, the second death, is permanent separation from God, from God's benevolent influence. Not a good thing to look forward to I'll bet.
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The popular belief is that the beasts we know of as being carnivores were once herbivores. Maybe they were, maybe they were not. We simply don't know for sure. Later scripture speaks of lions and lambs living in harmony and I understand this is looking forward to the time when sin and rebellion will have ceased, so we can't reasonably get a lot of mileage out of that. But I can think of a few herbivorous viands where the jaws and teeth of Lions (eg) would come in very handy. Can you bite through a whole Coconut? Can you bite into an uncut water melon? I know I can't, but I reckon a lion could if it wanted to.
So, it is at least possible that the Lion as we know it to be, might once have had a vegan diet, not straw and grasses (except for fur ball control) but other herbivorous things. But that is the least of things to be considered really. The act of rebellion and the deadly consequences of that rebellion...the remedy for it is of vital importance to every human being.
So, it is at least possible that the Lion as we know it to be, might once have had a vegan diet, not straw and grasses (except for fur ball control) but other herbivorous things. But that is the least of things to be considered really. The act of rebellion and the deadly consequences of that rebellion...the remedy for it is of vital importance to every human being.
@TubbyTubby There are a lot of people that do not take the word of God literally and they end up with all this religious mumbo jumbo and dogma. God is also the God of the real. God told us to study His creation to learn, and sadly many do not even attempt it and live in ignorance. It takes a lot of study of each of the words compared to other verses, hints and clues, to their meanings. Everything has an explanation, albeit maybe not to one's desire, but enough to prove God is telling the truth. And to show His power, many of these verses do have a spiritual side to it. The problem is many do not see that they are the different side of the same coin. I enjoyed last night, and all of what I said can be proven with longer explanations, but I find you don't reply so I do not know what you're pondering and I'm left wondering. Anyhow, you're going to get peppered with all kinds of stuff and I'll keep it real, physical and spiritual.
Your replies are appreciated.
You are correct. No argument was intended, just clarification on your opinion.
I understand your thought.........but you also must admit that you do not see how a loving God would and could create human beings with the purpose of having fellowship with them.
You also do not see how that same God would allow His only Son to die on a cross to pay the sin penalty for YOUR sin. IMPOSSIBE?
Would that place you in the "literal" camp?????
Gen 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth.
Gen 9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered.
I think this fear of man took place post flood not pre flood.
While that is mostly true, I recollect a Lion being raised out of the wild and fed only porridge. Don't know how true that is, but it is something to ponder perhaps?
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/Saints/Authors/Stories/LittleTyke.htm
There are several other URLs on offer that have similar accounts, but for the sake of intellectual honesty, let me say there are a few sites that insist that cats need meat protein to prosper, so............
18 And the Lord God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him.
Straightforward enough, can't see why God felt the desire to let Adam do all the animal naming instead of doing it himself but there you go.
Straightforward enough, can't see why God felt the desire to let Adam do all the animal naming instead of doing it himself but there you go.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. 22 Then the rib which the Lord God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
Presumably God made all the animals in both sexes at the same time? Why would he then decide to make a man with functioning reproductive organs but nothing to mate with? The woman seems a bit of an after thought when I would of made them at the same time if I was him. One's no good without the other is it?
23 And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”
Presumably God made all the animals in both sexes at the same time? Why would he then decide to make a man with functioning reproductive organs but nothing to mate with? The woman seems a bit of an after thought when I would of made them at the same time if I was him. One's no good without the other is it?
God used part of the male to form the female to show that they were actually the same created being, two halves of a whole. The female was not created as a separate being, second to the male. She was formed as part of the initial man, in order to be a “helpmate” for the male. Eve was brought into being to strengthen and powerfully help the male, but she was made from the same “stuff,” and she was every bit as perfect a creation as man and every bit as patterned after God’s image and likeness.
God created Eve in the way that He did to show that woman has equal status in creation to man and was created to complement and in some ways complete man in the integral union of marriage. Woman was created to be “beside” man, not beneath or above him. This does not speak to the roles of male and female in the home or church, however, but to equality of status in the kingdom of God. Man is no more “worthy” of salvation, and woman is no less a citizen of God’s kingdom. They stand side-by-side in the eyes of God.
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