Liberalism Is Destroying The Church!

You're saying 2 things here... if and when youre thinking about Christianity but don't include Catholics... how can Catholics also be saved, if Catholicism doesn't save? If your generous enough to include them in salvation then they must be included in Christianity because only Christians can be saved.

Also Catholics believe protestant are brothers and sisters in Christ
To my knowledge... UNLESS things have changed.... Catholicism considers itself the ONE true church.
Because I have walked away from Catholicism.... I am also now an apostate who is going to hell ( due to the fact that I have walked away from the church ). That is according to the Catholic church.

I do NOT consider the Catholic church to have the authority to claim 99% of the things they claim... therefore...I do not consider the CATHOLIC teaching to be CHRISTIAN. ARE some Catholics saved... probably... and that is up to GOD.... but it is not the teachings that save them... it is the shed BLOOD of CHRIST on the cross and ONLY that.

I consider Christianity the formation of TRUE BIBLICAL teaching AFTER the 99 thesis.

If a person believes that JESUS CHRIST died for their sins... and He is GOD and repents of their sins... then they are a Christian based solely on that and NOT on any traditions or repetitions of rituals.

CHRISTIANITY is ONE BODY and it is NOT what Catholics have made it to be ( in my opinion ).

SO... I'm not sure how to explain things so that I am NOT saying 2 separate things.

I believe the Catholic church is a CULT.... and I say this from experience as a former member.
 
To my knowledge... UNLESS things have changed.... Catholicism considers itself the ONE true church.
Because I have walked away from Catholicism.... I am also now an apostate who is going to hell ( due to the fact that I have walked away from the church ). That is according to the Catholic church.

I do NOT consider the Catholic church to have the authority to claim 99% of the things they claim... therefore...I do not consider the CATHOLIC teaching to be CHRISTIAN. ARE some Catholics saved... probably... and that is up to GOD.... but it is not the teachings that save them... it is the shed BLOOD of CHRIST on the cross and ONLY that.

I consider Christianity the formation of TRUE BIBLICAL teaching AFTER the 99 thesis.

If a person believes that JESUS CHRIST died for their sins... and He is GOD and repents of their sins... then they are a Christian based solely on that and NOT on any traditions or repetitions of rituals.

CHRISTIANITY is ONE BODY and it is NOT what Catholics have made it to be ( in my opinion ).

SO... I'm not sure how to explain things so that I am NOT saying 2 separate things.

I believe the Catholic church is a CULT.... and I say this from experience as a former member.
Rome sees God being far more gracious to Committed Jews and Muslims then ex Catholics, for they see those 2 groups worshipping same God as us, and they have not rejected Rome doctrine as you had
 
Yep... I'm toast... :D
No. 😿

I think we are witnessing in this thread a bit of what we're talking about in the OP. Catholics would consider Protestants to be "liberal". So really it's a lot of opinion. I have known those who claim the OT is no longer something one should teach since the NT supercedes it in covenant. I don't agree but it's out there just the same.
 
Because some of the seminaries are teaching liberalism and I don't know which ones are good and which are not, I would rather just let the Holy Spirit lead me. I do use trusted commentaries in my studies such as Matthew Henry, Adam Clarke, J. Vernon Mcgee and David Guzik.

Hello David;

Of course, as the Holy Spirit leads. Otherwise, I would not have attended seminary.

Not all seminaries teach liberalism. I attended a Southern Baptist Theological seminary but I will admit many seminarians do attain alot of theological study but seminaries do not teach interacting with people which is ironically the main theme of becoming a minister.

Matthew Henry, Adam Clarke, J. Vernon Mcgee and David Guzik all provided excellent commentaries and references as part of our studies.

God bless you, David, and thank you.

Bob
 
This thought just crossed my mind...

How much of this BAD THEOLOGY problem comes from the fact that many pastors are SELF-PROCLAIMED and have NO real schooling in theology? They claim to be CALLED by GOD to be pastors.... but yet have NO FORMAL education.

A person who CLAIMS to be a pastor should be OBLIGED to provide where they got their BIBLICAL teachings and what DEGREES they have... such as a MASTERS in DIVINITY etc.

A DOCTOR has to have their credentials posted in their office. There needs to be a HIGHER standard set aside for pastors.

Another issue is their ACCOUNTABILITY to the FLOCK... and their humility or lack there of.

There are so many ways we can protect ourselves against BAD TEACHINGS.
You are correct! More correct than you even know!

I have nothing personal about a man who wants to preach the gospel. However, regardless of what is said, NO man can decide he is a preacher and then pastor a church with no formal, theological education at all.

Every church I have been affiliated with did just as you suggested. I sat down with the Pastors search committee always talked about credentials and where did they come from.
 
No. 😿

I think we are witnessing in this thread a bit of what we're talking about in the OP. Catholics would consider Protestants to be "liberal". So really it's a lot of opinion. I have known those who claim the OT is no longer something one should teach since the NT supercedes it in covenant. I don't agree but it's out there just the same.
Yep. I have seen the same thing as well.

That kind of thinking usually comes through Bible ignorance.
 
You are correct! More correct than you even know!

I have nothing personal about a man who wants to preach the gospel. However, regardless of what is said, NO man can decide he is a preacher and then pastor a church with no formal, theological education at all.

Every church I have been affiliated with did just as you suggested. I sat down with the Pastors search committee always talked about credentials and where did they come from.
I am weary from these conversations... It's time to get back to the CABIN.....but I will say this...

I trust YOUR teaching.... I trust Bob's teaching... and this is due to a combination of things.... Over the year and a half of me being here... BOTH of you have taken me under your wing and answered all my questions. Both of you have shown me HUMILITY.... BOTH of you have shown such a deep love for TRUTH.
I have been WATCHING both of you... (like a HAWK).... I did my research... I did my homework.. and as a result... I have two GUYS that I can go to for what I believe is SOUND DOCTRINE. I feel like I have hit a GOLD mine because this is very RARE in this day and age.

I fail to have sympathy or empathy for those who DO NOT do their homework... and perhaps I am wrong about that... but I come from the position of BEING LIED to with Catholicism in my youth... and legalism in my adulthood... I instinctively KNEW that neither of these DOCTRINES were of TRUTH or WORTH.

I did NOT WANT things to tickle my ears.... I wanted TRUTH.... and it took way too long... 20 years to find this treasure that I now have.

SO.... with all that said... I am a testimony that GOD will indeed answer those who SEEK HIM.... with all their hearts. I truly believe God showed up that day at the lake because NO one could answer my questions about HIM in a truthful manner. GOD had to show up Himself. THAT is not right.

Anyways... I am exhausted.... and so I am back to the CABIN.... HAHA.
 
I am weary from these conversations... It's time to get back to the CABIN.....but I will say this...

I trust YOUR teaching.... I trust Bob's teaching... and this is due to a combination of things.... Over the year and a half of me being here... BOTH of you have taken me under your wing and answered all my questions. Both of you have shown me HUMILITY.... BOTH of you have shown such a deep love for TRUTH.
I have been WATCHING both of you... (like a HAWK).... I did my research... I did my homework.. and as a result... I have two GUYS that I can go to for what I believe is SOUND DOCTRINE. I feel like I have hit a GOLD mine because this is very RARE in this day and age.

I fail to have sympathy or empathy for those who DO NOT do their homework... and perhaps I am wrong about that... but I come from the position of BEING LIED to with Catholicism in my youth... and legalism in my adulthood... I instinctively KNEW that neither of these DOCTRINES were of TRUTH or WORTH.

I did NOT WANT things to tickle my ears.... I wanted TRUTH.... and it took way too long... 20 years to find this treasure that I now have.

SO.... with all that said... I am a testimony that GOD will indeed answer those who SEEK HIM.... with all their hearts. I truly believe God showed up that day at the lake because NO one could answer my questions about HIM in a truthful manner. GOD had to show up Himself. THAT is not right.

Anyways... I am exhausted.... and so I am back to the CABIN.... HAHA.
Those are very kind words and Bob can speak for himself, however I am thinking that about right now he is asking........where do I send your flowers to!
 
Those are very kind words and Bob can speak for himself, however I am thinking that about right now he is asking........where do I send your flowers to!
If I'm not mistaken ... He still owes you several "love offerings". :D
I still have ONE free-be left... I'm saving it for something special.
 
Rome sees God being far more gracious to Committed Jews and Muslims then ex Catholics, for they see those 2 groups worshipping same God as us, and they have not rejected Rome doctrine as you had
Right on target!

To the Catholic church, when a catholic member gets saved and leaves the Catholic church, to them that person is rejecting God's grace and salvation and will not go to heaven. To them, it is the un-pardonable sin!

It doesn’t matter whether you are leaving the Catholic Church to become an atheist, or join a protestant church. It’s still an act of defection from the church, and it is amortal sin!
 
To my knowledge... UNLESS things have changed.... Catholicism considers itself the ONE true church.
Because I have walked away from Catholicism.... I am also now an apostate who is going to hell ( due to the fact that I have walked away from the church ). That is according to the Catholic church.

I do NOT consider the Catholic church to have the authority to claim 99% of the things they claim... therefore...I do not consider the CATHOLIC teaching to be CHRISTIAN. ARE some Catholics saved... probably... and that is up to GOD.... but it is not the teachings that save them... it is the shed BLOOD of CHRIST on the cross and ONLY that.

I consider Christianity the formation of TRUE BIBLICAL teaching AFTER the 99 thesis.

If a person believes that JESUS CHRIST died for their sins... and He is GOD and repents of their sins... then they are a Christian based solely on that and NOT on any traditions or repetitions of rituals.

CHRISTIANITY is ONE BODY and it is NOT what Catholics have made it to be ( in my opinion ).

SO... I'm not sure how to explain things so that I am NOT saying 2 separate things.

I believe the Catholic church is a CULT.... and I say this from experience as a former member.
The Catholic church believes that the only way a person goes to heaven is faith in Jesus as the Christ, AND water baptism AND Church membership in the RCC.
 
The Catholic church believes that the only way a person goes to heaven is faith in Jesus as the Christ, AND water baptism AND Church membership in the RCC.
The Catholic church believes that the only way a person goes to heaven is faith in Jesus as the Christ, AND water baptism AND Church membership in the RCC.
Rome does allow though for someone who is religious and ignorant of real catholic teachings to get saved, as they call it God extending grace towards those who would have no doubt accepted Rome if had known her doctrines
 
Those are very kind words and Bob can speak for himself, however I am thinking that about right now he is asking........where do I send your flowers to!
If I'm not mistaken ... He still owes you several "love offerings". :D
I still have ONE free-be left... I'm saving it for something special.

My forum tab is way over extended! YIKES!
 
Liberal teaching has manifested itself all through the Christian. In fact, Liberalism is the main reason why there are so many Christian denominations. Allow me to list just some of the teachings done by liberal theologian over the years and allow you to decide if you think that those teachings have affect you:

1) The Bible is not “God-breathed” and has errors.
2 Timothy 3:16-17...." “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching.
Isaiah 7:14......"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.".

3) Jesus did not rise again from the grave in bodily form.
Romans 8:11...."If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you."

4) Jesus was just a good moral teacher.
He’s not a great teacher at all. He’s a lunatic or a liar. As C.S. Lewis properly put it, “He did not leave the other option open to us. He did not intend to.”

5) Hell is not real.
Luke 16:22-23......."And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

6) The most important thing for man to do is to “love” his neighbor.
What is the loving thing to do in any situation is not what the Bible says is good but what the liberal theologians decide is good. This denies the doctrine of total depravity, which states that man is incapable of doing anything good and loving.

That is SIX and you can probably come up with 50 more. The Word of God speaks of a time when men will have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof in 2 Timothy 3:5.

That my dear friends, that is what liberal theology does in that it says that there is some inner goodness in man that does not require a rebirth by the Holy Spirit through faith in Christ. And it speaks against those who would serve idols instead of the one true God (1 Chronicles 16:26)—which liberal Christianity does in that it creates a false god according to someones own liking rather than worshiping God as He is described in the whole of the Bible.
Hi Major,

Your heading said `Liberalism is destroying the Church!` Then later you said ` ...Christian denominations...` Glad you said that for the two are not the same. The Head of the Body is doing a great job of bringing His Body to maturity in Himself by the Holy Spirit. (Eph. 4: 11 - 16)

Yes, it is man`s denominations that are going astray but, praise the Lord that does not mean the Body of Christ is being destroyed.
 
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers and they will turn their ears away from the truth and be turned aside to fables. (2 Tim 4:3-4 NKJV)
were in these times now
 
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