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KingJ said:
I wonder what the general consensus here on CFS is with regards to this.

Do you believe Emily Rose was killed by the demon or by not being in hospital / priests negligence?

Are there any other examples of devil / demons killing children?
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Children are killed every day by demons working through people, doing the bidding of their chieftains. I don't know Emily Rose's story completely, but if she died while inhabited, you can be sure the devil killed her. Priests don't know what they are doing. They usually exacerbate the situation by their religiosity and ignorance.
 
Glomung said:
I've been studying demonology and exorcism for about 30 years.
Demons can and do kill children.
Demons can possess anyone who allows them to get a foothold in their life, the process is not quick, but they tend to be persistent.
The only way to remove demons from a possessed person is through an exorcism.
A "minor rite" exorcism usually involves only one priest, an assistant, and the possessed person, and is usually performed in the possessed persons home.
They use the Roman Rite of Exorcism, usually only a few sessions provide deliverance.
A "major rite" exorcism is called for when major devils are involved or in those instances where the demons involved are particularly violent.
This can involve several priests, a number of assistants, the possessed person and medical staff to handle any injuries that may occur.
These are usually performed in a Church related hospital.
Normally none of this is filmed and any information is kept private (mainly to avoid the idiots and sensationalism that often follows).
For the most part only Catholics, Orthodox, and Lutherans perform exorcisms.
A inquest is ALWAYS performed before the exorcism to determine if a demon is really involved (versus insanity).
People who have not been formally trained in exorcism should not attempt to perform one, the demons have no issues with murdering idiots and the foolhardy.
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This is untrue, Glomung, except you are correct that demons do kill, and children are a prime target of Satan.

Anyone who knows who they are in Christ can cast out a demon anywhere. That is part of the privilege we have of knowing and walking with Jesus.
 
Euphemia said:
This is untrue, Glomung, except you are correct that demons do kill, and children are a prime target of Satan.

Anyone who knows who they are in Christ can cast out a demon anywhere. That is part of the privilege we have of knowing and walking with Jesus.
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Sadly, you are wrong. You won't know that you are wrong until you try to step out of your league and get hurt. The VAST majority of Christians have a much higher opinion of themselves than is warranted, and are not aware of their own lack of virtue until they are put to the test. Just spouting off "I am of Christ and can do all things in Him" doesn't count for squat when you a facing a real demon.
 
Glomung said:
Sadly, you are wrong. You won't know that you are wrong until you try to step out of your league and get hurt. The VAST majority of Christians have a much higher opinion of themselves than is warranted, and are not aware of their own lack of virtue until they are put to the test. Just spouting off "I am of Christ and can do all things in Him" doesn't count for squat when you a facing a real demon.
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Oh, I am not wrong. I am experienced in this. The word is clear. Religion doesn't have a clue, however!

Most Christians have a very poor understanding of who they really are in Christ, and in that, they fail to live up to their calling in Christ, and lack the power and authority that comes with being a disciple of Jesus.
 
Euphemia said:
Oh, I am not wrong. I am experienced in this. The word is clear. Religion doesn't have a clue, however!

Most Christians have a very poor understanding of who they really are in Christ, and in that, they fail to live up to their calling in Christ, and lack the power and authority that comes with being a disciple of Jesus.
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Most people, "Christians" and otherwise, have egos that far outstrip their actual virtue.
Believe whatever makes you feel good. But if the time comes, hopefully it never will, someone will have to come with a mop and bucket to clean up the mess.
 
Euphemia said:
Not true. The devil knows how to capture children's minds, especially those in Christian homes where parents are not vigilant, spiritually. He also works through evil people to sexually abuse, abduct and murder children. This onslaught against our children is upon us. Only the spiritually blind cannot see this is demonic.
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The question is if a possessed kid can be killed by the demon that is possessing it.

These murderers and pedophiles are going to hell because they did the crime. There will be no 'so and so' made me do it excuse.
 
Glomung said:
Most people, "Christians" and otherwise, have egos that far outstrip their actual virtue.
Believe whatever makes you feel good. But if the time comes, hopefully it never will, someone will have to come with a mop and bucket to clean up the mess.
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Not so for those who know who they are in Christ, thank the Lord!

We meet the enemy head-on, no muss, no fuss!!
 
Glomung said:
Sadly, you are wrong. You won't know that you are wrong until you try to step out of your league and get hurt. The VAST majority of Christians have a much higher opinion of themselves than is warranted, and are not aware of their own lack of virtue until they are put to the test. Just spouting off "I am of Christ and can do all things in Him" doesn't count for squat when you a facing a real demon.
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No sir this is not so.
Fellow believers who have learned who they are in Chrtist and what authority has been placed in their hands can and do command or cast out evil spirits which includes demons. I have seen it first hand. I have been there first hand. I have battled more then you would beleive and thats that.
God Bless
 
Euphemia said:
Not so for those who know who they are in Christ, thank the Lord!

We meet the enemy head-on, no muss, no fuss!!
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Amen !! But that takes growth as in learning who you are in Christ and what aauthority has already been given you. That takes discipline to grow to this point. That means more work then too many Christians are willing to do. Their loss then........
God Bless
 
Euphemia said:
Sure can.
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Do you have any scripture confirming that? Have you ever seen or heard it happen outside of Emily Rose?

The only instance in scripture I can find is in Mark 9. The kid was possessed by a very harsh demon his entire life. It tried to kill him but never could. One that Jesus said can only come out through prayer and fasting.

21 Jesus asked the boy’s father,“How long has he been like this?” “From childhood,” he answered.22 “It has often thrown him into fire or water to kill him. But if you can do anything, take pity on us and help us.” 23 “‘If you can’?”said Jesus.“Everything is possible for one who believes.” 24 Immediately the boy’s father exclaimed, “I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!” 25 When Jesus saw that a crowd was running to the scene,he rebuked the impure spirit.“You deaf and mute spirit,”he said,“I command you, come out of him and never enter him again.” 26 The spirit shrieked, convulsed him violently and came out. The boy looked so much like a corpse that many said, “He’s dead.”27 But Jesus took him by the hand and lifted him to his feet, and he stood up. 28 After Jesus had gone indoors, his disciples asked him privately,“Why couldn’t we drive it out?” 29 He replied,“This kind can come out only by prayer.
 
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Fish Catcher Jim said:
Then brother you are in the wrong place.........because here in this world - God does not have demons locked up and out of sight.
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They don't have to be locked up and out of sight for Him to keep them in check though. You believe they are running around freely able to hurt and kill whomever they want?
 
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Euphemia said:
Exorcism as in casting out demons according to the word of God and not some religious ritual...yes.
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Can you tell me more about it? Did the person want the demon out? Did you need to fast and pray? Can you please stop the cheap shots to others, this is a good thread I don't want to see it closed.

I don't think Catholics disagree with the scripture from Jesus that I quoted above in Mark 9. The risk is simply always that in a church you probably have a ratio of 80/20 devout Christians VS those on a joy ride. It is wisdom / caution / experience to tackle the issue with qualified /respected and experienced elders. As Paul recommends on people needing prayer for healing. How much more so on exorcisms.
 
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My belief on exorcisms is this:

The only exorcisms we should perform is those where kids or the mentally ill are possessed. Adults are possessed because they want it. We are not supposed to cast demons out of any adult. If they don't want them gone several more will return. If they do want them gone, well then they will go because that implies they want Jesus and Jesus does not share us. He wants us all to Himself.

So anyone claiming to cast demons out of an adult really does need to explain the circumstances around it properly. Then anyone claiming that a demon can kill a kid really has a lot of explaining to do. Becuase that in a nutshell implies that God is evil. God gave power to the evil spirits He put on earth to kill our babies....I don't think so...
 
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KingJ said:
They don't have to be locked up and out of sight for Him to keep them in check though. You believe they are running around freely able to hurt and kill whomever they want?
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What exactly do you mean by keeping them in check ?
Demons and or spirits influence people more then you think. They cause bad choices and so much more. You might want to pray about this before you think they are so out of touch.
Blessings
 
KingJ said:
My belief on exorcisms is this:

The only exorcisms we should perform is those where kids or the mentally ill are possessed. Adults are possessed because they want it. We are not supposed to cast demons out of any adult. If they don't want them gone several more will return. If they do want them gone, well then they will go because that implies they want Jesus and Jesus does not share us. He wants us all to Himself.
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Brother Kj I am not trying to argue with you here but please listen for a moment. Your thoughts above are not even inline with the word of God.
Thats is all I will say
Blessings
 
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