Jim, I know you always mean well. But please can you provide scripture for your statement / or raise a sound argument. I am so tired of visualizing members here chewing gum and picking their noses whilst giving their short and useless replies.
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Big wink - bro perhaps you might take some of your own advice here !
What is it that you think is wrong ? Key here is the word "think"
You are moving the goal posts now. Please stay on topic.
Kj are you serious with this reply ?
What exactly do you mean by keeping them in check ?
Demons and or spirits influence people more then you think. They cause bad choices and so much more. You might want to pray about this before you think they are so out of touch.
That was very much on topic unless of course "Your reply" was off topic that I questioned here?
Prove it. Or ask the mods to remove your very silly post please.
Kj be very cautious with this attitude of yours. it has a habbit of backfirering..
God Bless
Jim proposing that God allows demons to kill babies is unscriptural and mad. Now if you believe that you need to do more then merely say ''my belief is not even inline with scripture''. Either you have to show me the scripture that proves this. Or you have to raise a sound argument explaining why you think I am wrong. That is the point / theme of a forum like this.
If our replies were all like your posts above and even Euphemia's, this forum would die. It would be my opinion > yours...albeit some are trying to base their opinion on scripture or impeccable logic.
John 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Thief is satan - satan uses all his imps and wicked spirits and so forth to do his bidding.
I am not going to turn this into the devils organization 101 for you.
They can be oppressing spirits which lead you around thought by thought.
They look for a host. It is not always and for the most part not like what you see on tv in the movies. They can come and go at will when they find a host (house) that has no clue.
Once they have made a home they work to expand and reek havic. If the people have no clue or are not born again they have no defense against them.
Age has no issue. If you think they wont go after a child or baby once they set up shop - well brother - I suggest you seek to gains some deeper understanding.
That is all I am going to say - another words I am not going to educate you in this. I am here to praise and glorify the Lord......
God Bless
Jim
So this should apply to you too then right ? I mean where is your scripture backing your view?
Hey let me ask you this..........how come the baby in the trailor park got killed in the tornado?
You mean God allows storms to do this ? You mean God says no demons can not but yes you bad storms can ? Hey that guy who loves his porn and booze just hit the baby in her cradle on the front lawn. Hmm so God allows this but not that ?
Fact is KJ - God gave much authority over this world to man. Psalm 115:16
The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
It will stay that way AND Unless you choose to do things His way - well anything is able to happen. This is why bad things happen to good people - good people make bad choices.
Honestly Brother - it is easy to see God is not in control of "everything" here on earth,
Yea I kknow it is much easier to say well you never know what GOD is going to do. We dont know why but God allows harm here and good there....No Sir..........that is a cop out allowing the blasme to be on God and not them. It is like a no fault religion. What ever happens is NOT my fault for hey God allows it.
Have a blessed day my friend
Jim
1. That is the mindset of the devil. But it is an assumption to suggest he always get's his way.
2. Why do you talk like you are so experienced with this? What experience do you have?
3. How do you know? Scripture? We can be a zombie?
4. Find a host that has no clue? Do you have a scripture for that? I wouldn't put it past some as scripture is clear we are either of God or the devil. But surely there is an element to someone wanting them? Or said persons accomodate evil to such an extent that the evil spirits feel at home with them.
5. No defence? If that was the case where are all these dead people? They can only do so much. God defends all, even the unsaved. You think the devil is behind someone's lifespan and not God?
6. The example in Mark 9 is quite clear that they do go after children. But it is also clear that they could not kill, even though the child was possessed his entire life. The scripture says that they often tried to kill him.
7. Educating others on scripture is not glorifying the Lord?
I apologize for being off topic here some what but it goes with what is being said.
@KingJ ,
Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
This is why things happen.
This is why the christian girl got ganged raped and left on the side of the road in a ditch.
Did God allow this for some un-known reason ? NO - she placed her self in a situation that she stepped out side of Gods protection.
The pastor of a near by church from where I lived lost his entire family. His wife and kids were in their new car and pulled out in front of a gasrbage truck speeding down the highway.
Did God allow this to teach the pastor something ? No sir........They simply did not pay asttention. We must be walking close to God and walking in His ways if we want to be protected over these things.
God gives us warnings - do we listen ? do we heed them all ?
I was all set to go out cruising with the boys in the old restored inpalla one night. I was set in my ways. I kept feeling God tugging at me to Not go. At the very last second - I backed out. They all got killed by a train that night.
I was late for work and getting frustrated at things. Nothing worked out right and it kept getting later and later. I was highly frustrated and began to drive faster then I should. A lot faster. I felt God once again convicting me to slow down now. I almost ignored Him. I did however slow way down and yes I was grumpy about it but I still did it. The big intersection up the road was filled with smashed up cars and great injuries. The emergency crews had not even gotten there yet.
Whats the point ? If I had not listened to His conviction to slow down - I would have been one of the victoms on the side of the road.........Now then if I had not listend to the conviction to slow down..........would it have been Gods fault for me being injured or dead ? I mean after all if God is in control of everything here in this earth - would not this been in His control too?
No sir - we have more to do with our desdtiny then you think
God Bless
Jim
@KingJ ,
Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD'S: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
This is why things happen.
This is why the christian girl got ganged raped and left on the side of the road in a ditch.
Did God allow this for some un-known reason ? NO - she placed her self in a situation that she stepped out side of Gods protection.
The pastor of a near by church from where I lived lost his entire family. His wife and kids were in their new car and pulled out in front of a gasrbage truck speeding down the highway.
Did God allow this to teach the pastor something ? No sir........They simply did not pay asttention. We must be walking close to God and walking in His ways if we want to be protected over these things.
God gives us warnings - do we listen ? do we heed them all ?
I was all set to go out cruising with the boys in the old restored inpalla one night. I was set in my ways. I kept feeling God tugging at me to Not go. At the very last second - I backed out. They all got killed by a train that night.
I was late for work and getting frustrated at things. Nothing worked out right and it kept getting later and later. I was highly frustrated and began to drive faster then I should. A lot faster. I felt God once again convicting me to slow down now. I almost ignored Him. I did however slow way down and yes I was grumpy about it but I still did it. The big intersection up the road was filled with smashed up cars and great injuries. The emergency crews had not even gotten there yet.
Whats the point ? If I had not listened to His conviction to slow down - I would have been one of the victoms on the side of the road.........Now then if I had not listend to the conviction to slow down..........would it have been Gods fault for me being injured or dead ? I mean after all if God is in control of everything here in this earth - would not this been in His control too?
No sir - we have more to do with our desdtiny then you think
God Bless
Jim
Please do not twist around what I or others say.
You ask what experience do i have in this ?
Do you want before saved and was on the other team - or after I was saved and delivered from the other team ? Do you think tyhe devil just sat back and let me alone because I got born again ? Rofl - if you think that is how it works - well Brother - all I can say is.....yea ok then.
Brother - Good talking with you but I dont feel like going back and forth with you on this when you do not quite understand things.
God Bless and good night
Jim
1. I believe God is in absolute control of everything. I don't believe there is such a thing as a random storm. I believe God knew that storm would come 6 000 years ago when He made us (perhaps even Earth). I believe God knows the names and lives of every person that die in a storm.
2. God does allow the evil to be evil. God allows a storm to kill becuase in His omnisicience He knows whose time is up. God allows humans to kill, this is perhaps the only randomness as earth is our time to be good or evil and God does give us free will. God does not allow demons to kill unless it is an adult whose time is up. Scripture says the devil looks for whom he can devour. Like the angel of death is told when it can go and kill. It does not of its own decide to kill random persons.
3. Agreed. I am not disptuing that.
4. No, 'anything' does not just happen. If you look at scripture you will see that the wicked are only handed over to the devil / receive death threats when their wickedness is full measure.
5. I am not disptuing that. We are to blame for our sin. Euphemia was saying earlier that demons are fully to blame for making us do things.
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Brother KJ .
Please do not twist my words or what I said.
Now then - there will be no more replies
Good Night and Giod Bless
1. I had to re-read this paragraph. As at first I thought you meant a non Christian. But then I saw you clearly said a Christian girl. So what you are saying is that a Christian girl gets raped becuase she places herself outside of God's protection? I think 98% of the Christians on this forum will disagree with that line. God never leaves nor forsakes any of His children. How exactly do you believe we (Christians) place ourselves outside of God's protection?
2. That is a shocking belief Jim. I think 98% of the Christians on this forum will disagree and say it is all part of God's omniscient plan.
3 & 4. If God wanted us here albeit we were not always 100% in tune with Him, He would have made us survive the train crash. I have a personal testimony of this on the London train bombings in 2006.
1. Can you prove that I have done that?
2. Why do you always speak like this?
.I am waiting for someone to come with conflicting scripture or a sound opposing argument. Prove to me that a demon can kill a baby. Don't come with humans kill babies = demons kill babies. Storms kill babies = demons kill babies.
I don't think you understand that if a demon has power to kill a baby at random, it makes God, evil.
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You all have been known in the past to become involved in "discussions" that usually turn in to arguments. Each of you has a different perspective on Christian doctrines and interpretations, and these personal understandings and ideals from each of you are not flexible, or so it would seem. Your constant disagreements, in violation of at least 3 Forum Regulations, have been responsible for Report after Report in recent months by General Members. This ends right now. If the several of you can not simply Report things to the staff when you feel wronged rather than openly bashing others in print, the staff will have no alternative but to halt things for you.
This is a general warning - and after staff review, there may be official warnings issued and possibly time outs.
There is no excuse for the unkind words being exchanged in this thread and in several other forum locations. Christians are held to a higher standard because as a group, we are monitored by non Christians and the tensions that can be generated by Forum members during disagreements adds fuel to the fires of division within our Christian ranks. This makes Satan smile.
We are quoting one of the most important Forum Rules below - and if the few of you can not put your egos aside, there may be vacancies at CFS very shortly.
Rule 2.1 Common courtesy and civil dialogue is expected from all participants. Common courtesy is a generally understood concept and too broad to fully define here. In short, if you have doubt on whether you should say something, DON'T!
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