Many Christians Have Blasphemed The Holy Spirit.

gonefishing said:
Let's start by not referring the Holy Spirit as "it." He is a living breathing person with a personality, emotions, and intellect.
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Because my upcoming posts will be indirectly addressing the gift of (NOT God, the giver) holy spirit as “it” I felt (even though this post was not directed at me) I should address this.

First – You should know that I believe that Words mean things. It’s how we communicate and How God communicates with….. us via His matchless inerrant Word (inerrant in its original form) or when necessary, by revelation (Word of Knowledge, Word of Wisdom, Discerning of Spirits). God does/did not lack the necessary grammar, semantics, syntax, pragmatics in the Greek or Hebrew when He originally gave His Word to the writers ….by inspiration of God. So any disagreement you may have about this ….it's not me …I didn’t write the Book …..you need to get in touch with the Author.

The Greek word for spirit = pneuma is neuter…. as are all the pronouns referring to the spirit…making them necessary impersonal.
Translators knew that, but they were grammatically reckless in the translated references to the coming ”spirit of truth as He instead of it.
If they had accurately and honestly translated the neuter pronouns from John 14 -16 as it, its and itself ...instead of he, his & him we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion.

I could go on for some time regarding the use of the word “it” ….but I am tired. I am not attempting to nullify or undermine anything, I am just pointing out that the use of the word is accurate.
God Bless
 
THALLON said:
For many years I didn't like benny hinn, I actually liked benny hill better [risqué british comedian]
but I've warmed to him,
you have to be mad to name Jesus and stand in front of millions, I mean millions of people and proclaim or
try to make out someone is healed...its just ridiculous to even think.
Benny Hinn has had some evil things put online about him and has gone through a divorce and
even said on his show it cost him heaps financially, he was honest about it.
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I was a Benny Hinn skeptic from watching him on television. One day, he came to speak at my school. The guy has a magnetism about him which is really rather scary.

There are many who are quite fond of Hinn, but I am now more skeptical of Hinn than I was before. Is the Holy Spirit working through Hinn? I have my doubts. Can the Holy Spirit still perform miracles? I have no doubt He can and does, but when one grows as wealthy as has Hinn based on a proclaimed ability to direct the workings of the Holy Spirit the skeptic in me shows up.
 
PeaceLikeaRiver said:
The idea is that it would be used to glorify God, so I'm not sure how a tradition would ever replace or obliterate God.
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I could name many examples where tradition comes before God in a few denominations. I won't go there since it has been said many times on this board and usually causes heated arguments.
 
LanceA said:
I could name many examples where tradition comes before God in a few denominations. I won't go there since it has been said many times on this board and usually causes heated arguments.
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I can imagine, but consider this at least: If you were a Christian of another denomination, would you get anything out of BEING a Christian if it was just to show up and perform some kind of empty ritual that gave you no closeness with God? Would you eventually give up on such pointless exercises? I know I would. So clearly the people who belong to the denominations you're speaking of are NOT having that experience at all, they get the same kind of value out that you do out of the faith that YOU belong to, so perhaps it's not fair to condemn an entire denomination for the kind of Christianity they choose to practice. And anyway "tradition comes before God" is really just an opinion and not a fact, as we can't see into each other's hearts to know what is really going on.
 
PeaceLikeaRiver said:
I can imagine, but consider this at least: If you were a Christian of another denomination, would you get anything out of BEING a Christian if it was just to show up and perform some kind of empty ritual that gave you no closeness with God? Would you eventually give up on such pointless exercises? I know I would. So clearly the people who belong to the denominations you're speaking of are NOT having that experience at all, they get the same kind of value out that you do out of the faith that YOU belong to, so perhaps it's not fair to condemn an entire denomination for the kind of Christianity they choose to practice. And anyway "tradition comes before God" is really just an opinion and not a fact, as we can't see into each other's hearts to know what is really going on.
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"And anyway "tradition comes before God" is really just an opinion and not a fact, as we can't see into each other's hearts to know what is really going on." Apparently Jesus saw things a bit more clearly?
Mar 7:6. And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
Mar 7:7. in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
Mar 7:8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men."
 
calvin said:
"And anyway "tradition comes before God" is really just an opinion and not a fact, as we can't see into each other's hearts to know what is really going on." Apparently Jesus saw things a bit more clearly?
Mar 7:6. And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
Mar 7:7. in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
Mar 7:8. You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men."
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PLAR has left the forum. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a reply.
 
THALLON said:
the Lord either sends a revival or revives individuals with HEALINGS, TONGUES, MIRACLES, PROPHECY, visions, dreams, etc hardliners including priests get up and condemn the work as being of satan, especially talking in tongues.
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And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils... ... Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: but he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. Mark 3: 22-30

I have in my library a paperback titled - "New Testament Teaching on Tongues" (1971 Kregel Publications) by Merrill F. Unger; who graduated from the Dallas Theological Seminary. It is probably the best example of a person who knows of something only in terms of theory and hearsay, but has no personal experience himself as to the subject he is writing about. Like a man writing a book on being a woman. You have no authority if you are outside the experience, and the truth of that experience.
There is no excuse for mainstream churches to continue in denial of the gospel that is written in the New Testament after the decades of Holy Spirit Revival through the likes of Smith Wigglesworth and John G. Lake from the 1880s to WW2. The latter rain outpouring of the Holy Spirit in accordance with the Scriptures and in particular Acts of The Apostles was worldwide beginning in both Britain and the United States. Some of the great revival meetings of the 1920s attracted tens of thousands of people. They were so impressive that newspapers of the times ran news coverage of these meetings. Newspapers also published testimonials to the many healings and miracles that came out of these Holy Spirit revivals. John Lake was prosecuted for practising medicine without a license in Spokane, Washington due to the number of miraculous healings the Lord performed through his ministry.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit and denying him is tragically still prevalent throughout mainstream churches and faiths, because such refuse to believe what Jesus preached and promised would happen to true believers. Tragic because Jesus said it was an unforgivable sin.

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Mark 16: 16-20

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1Corinthians 12: 3

Read my testimony on my profile page. The Acts of The Apostles is still for today. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever. Hallelujah praise our Lord and Saviour.
 
THALLON said:
How?
This is a serious issue for priests and ministers in all Christian churches.
Every time the church becomes bogged down in religious culture, traditions, forms of worship, ceremonies,
they become a money/land organisational religious group
and then
the Lord either sends a revival or revives individuals with HEALINGS, TONGUES, MIRACLES, PROPHECY, visions, dreams, etc
hardliners including priests get up and condemn the work as being of satan, especially talking in tongues.
that is when they have unknowingly blasphemed.
The traditionalist hold to an errant view that the Holy Spirit was only active in the Apostles
and only in the first century to establish the church.
So naturally if you take that stand then logically when a revival occurs
to whom do you attribute
supernatural works?
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Great realization. I came here to see if I had blasphemed the Holy Spirit, and I don't think so.
 
These kinds of people were fore told in scripture, so there should be no surprise here.

Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jud 1:11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jud 1:13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

Notice: These people masquerade around as one of the sheep, but are false, and never were a part of Christs Church, but they thought they were!!

2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:
2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities.
2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.
2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
 
THALLON said:
How?
This is a serious issue for priests and ministers in all Christian churches.
Every time the church becomes bogged down in religious culture, traditions, forms of worship, ceremonies,
they become a money/land organisational religious group
and then
the Lord either sends a revival or revives individuals with HEALINGS, TONGUES, MIRACLES, PROPHECY, visions, dreams, etc
hardliners including priests get up and condemn the work as being of satan, especially talking in tongues.
that is when they have unknowingly blasphemed.
The traditionalist hold to an errant view that the Holy Spirit was only active in the Apostles
and only in the first century to establish the church.
So naturally if you take that stand then logically when a revival occurs
to whom do you attribute
supernatural works?
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My perspective on this is that there have been too many false claims, too many uncaring criticisms of people who are not healed etc.
When someone says "revival" I want plenty of irrefutable proof. I want to see the right kind of fruit.
When someone says that a person (who very conveniently can't be found) had a severed leg put back in place, why would I accept this as truth? Show me the before and after person.
It has nothing to do with faith in Christ, but loads to do with faith in lying tongues.
So, when a genuine revival comes, or a genuine act of physical healing is done, why would any seeker of truth just blindly reject it?
That is not blasphemy, those pharisees were eye witnesses to the work and the person of Jesus, and they rejected Him as being in cahoots with Satan. That doesn't happen these days.
 
calvin said:
When someone says "revival" I want plenty of irrefutable proof. I want to see the right kind of fruit.
When someone says that a person (who very conveniently can't be found) had a severed leg put back in place, why would I accept this as truth? Show me the before and after person.
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Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.
Jenni, from Morely, Australia
http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIM...ESTIMONY Posters/Jenni, Morley, Australia.pdf

Barry, from Geelong, Victoria (Australia)
http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIM...TIMONY Posters/Barry, Geelong, Australia .pdf

Kerry, from Warrnambool, Victoria Australia
http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIM...ONY Posters/Kerry, Warrnambool, Australia.pdf
 
Let's talk about this logically. To blaspheme is to call something holy, unholy. The job of the Holy Spirit is to convict us of our sinful state and to have us call upon Jesus as our salvation. Since God cannot lie, and if one doesn’t believe His words, then they’re effectively calling Him a liar. Therefore the unpardonable sin is the sin of rejecting God’s truth about Jesus’ work, thereby sending them to hell. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
Waggles said:
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.
Jenni, from Morely, Australia
http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIMONY Collection/TESTIMONY POSTERS/TESTIMONY Posters/Jenni, Morley, Australia.pdf

Barry, from Geelong, Victoria (Australia)
http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIMONY Collection/TESTIMONY POSTERS/TESTIMONY Posters/Barry, Geelong, Australia .pdf

Kerry, from Warrnambool, Victoria Australia
http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIMONY Collection/TESTIMONY POSTERS/TESTIMONY Posters/Kerry, Warrnambool, Australia.pdf
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Thankyou for posting those links.
I had never heard of reflex sympathetic dystrophy syndrome.
I Googled it and the article I read indicates that it can take up to 2 years to 'go away', but sometimes it never goes away.
see http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/...ile/Reflex_sympathetic_dystrophy_syndrome.pdf
I have personally had two healings from the Lord, one physical and one emotional, but I can only talk about them. I can not show any documented 'proof' of them, so I would not expect anyone to really believe my accounts.
Getting back to Jenni, and I know that I'm going to sound skeptical and cynical; I note that she says she had that nasty fall in July 2009 and the article was posted 29/11/2011. That would be a little over the two years indicated in the article I have provided a link to.
That is not to say that the Lord did not heal, indeed He probably did, but maybe, just maybe the real miracle was the timing..the prayer and the laying on of hands.
I don't know...obviously, but either way where there is nerve damage, I'm sure the Lord is the only source of help we can have.
Her faith has been increased and that can't be a bad thing.
 
Waggles said:
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.
Jenni, from Morely, Australia
http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIMONY Collection/TESTIMONY POSTERS/TESTIMONY Posters/Jenni, Morley, Australia.pdf

Barry, from Geelong, Victoria (Australia)
http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIMONY Collection/TESTIMONY POSTERS/TESTIMONY Posters/Barry, Geelong, Australia .pdf

Kerry, from Warrnambool, Victoria Australia
http://miracles.areonthe.net/TESTIMONY Collection/TESTIMONY POSTERS/TESTIMONY Posters/Kerry, Warrnambool, Australia.pdf
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Barry sounds like a (typical?) revival conversion. I note with much approval that he is describing a dynamic relationship with the living Jesus as distinct from the dry religion so prevalent these times.

Kerry , her migraines and temper issues (possibly related) sometimes abate with age.
But the macular problems are a different thing.
the fact that she still has useful sight is testimony to the fact that her genetic condition is not progressing as normal, and we can thank the lord for that. She doesn't say how her two brothers are going, not directly at least.
 
 
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