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Beloved, do you mean that that is bad, or that it is just not indispensable?
Which one.....you and Mitspha being stand up Christians or that the sign gifts are invalid today?
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Beloved, do you mean that that is bad, or that it is just not indispensable?
Which one.....you and Mitspha being stand up Christians or that the sign gifts are invalid today?
It is that we were just in the dark and had no idea what was going on. Still don't my brother. I find both you and Mitspha to be stand up Biblical believers. I do not agree with some of the things said, but who in the world believes everything I say.
You see, I do not believe that tongues or healing or raising the dead is valid today. I believe that there was a time when it was but that ended when the apostle John died. Today we have the completed Word of God in the form of the Bible and therefore the "sign gifts" are no longer needed. Now that is just me and if anyone disagreed, fine and dandy because I am not going to loose friends over something like that.
What a great verse to discuss! This would be one awesome discussion if we all stick to the topic! I think we should look at it with reference to the previous verses.. Jesus is talking about false prophets and how they could be deceiving.. And He follows that with this.. I don't think we should take this to say one can fall from grace..“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. On judgment day many will say to me, ‘Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.’ But I will reply, ‘I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God’s laws.’ Matthew 7:21-23
What is everyone's interpretation of these verses and who is Jesus referring to specifically? Please be specific.
Which one.....you and Mitspha being stand up Christians or that the sign gifts are invalid today?[/QU
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You believe the "signs" are invalid? And if they are does that mean that any signs or miracles from from satan?
What a great verse to discuss! This would be one awesome discussion if we all stick to the topic! I think we should look at it with reference to the previous verses.. Jesus is talking about false prophets and how they could be deceiving.. And He follows that with this.. I don't think we should take this to say one can fall from grace..
Looking at the previous verses.. This is what it would mean.. We should not be deceived that signs and wonders authenticate or validate Christian faith.. It is validated only by fruits.. Just because a person is performing signs and wonders, we cannot go behind him and seek after signs.. I think it is talking about people being deceived into believing what Christian faith means.. There are many today who seek after signs.. And if signs are not there, then it is not genuine.. That is a dangerous thing.. They are living in this earth thinking they are saved.. But Jesus is saying, what they do really does not matter.. Because false signs could be done through evil force as well..
But can one really have the Spirit if God and then fall away? I cannot IMAGINEWell of course if one is "cut-off" that would suggest that salvation is very much in question, to fall from grace is a dangerous thing and one should very much consider these warnings as a threat to salvation. If one rejects the Spirit of grace of course they are in danger.
sure they can .. Jesus Paul and Peter say yes ..But can one really have the Spirit if God and then fall away? I cannot IMAGINE
Its the Spirit of grace... we received it by grace...and it is clear that we can "through legalism" fall from grace and be "cut-off" from Christ...."In Grace" all the great precious promises of God are made and by grace alone do we abide in Him. If a believer rejects grace they are in fact rejecting that which saves them.. God is not rejecting or "unsaving" them..they ARE rejecting Him and His saving grace.But can one really have the Spirit if God and then fall away? I cannot IMAGINE
Well Major.. I guess the interpretation of the term "perfect" makes so much difference This is the problem I have in defining that to be Word of God.. Bible was not canonized for many many years after that.. So how would a common man would have collectively looked at Word of God? Also, the signs and wonders were not just performed by Apostles.. It was performed by many others.. There is no denying that.. So how are we to infer that signs and wonders were limited to Apostolic age?
I believe spiritual gifts are available for believers today also.. But the definition of spiritual gifts is abused.. It leads to 2 tier Christians.. Extra Biblical revelation.. Preachers taking authority to level the scripture.. And so on.. These are clearly not correct.. But because of the abuse, we cannot go to the extreme of saying spiritual gifts have ceased.. And a common question comes up.. Is there any genuine healing or prophesy? The answer is yes! I don't think we have people who can perform healing at will.. No! That is where people are going wrong..
I wonder why Paul would call Love as the greatest of all.. Without love, can a person pray for another person and bring healing? May be not! I always wondered about that.. Another point I always wonder is the definition of gift itself.. When a person prays for healing of another person and he or she is healed, who has the gift? Who has received the gift?
But we can debate about this all day long and change nothing about our perspectives
No I already smoked that argument into oblivion. Then u were mad about the incorrect name I gave you...your escape route. You ignored the facts I presented and pouted about mixedpahIts the Spirit of grace... we received it by grace...and it is clear that we can "through legalism" fall from grace and be "cut-off" from Christ...."In Grace" all the great precious promises of God are made and by grace alone do we abide in Him. If a believer rejects grace they are in fact rejecting that which saves them.. God is not rejecting or "unsaving" them..they ARE rejecting Him and His saving grace.
Ro 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
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I must have missed it? what post was it ...I have not seen you present any biblical evidence?No I already smoked that argument into oblivion. Then u were mad about the incorrect name I gave you...your escape route. You ignored the facts I presented and pouted about mixedpah
Your fallen from grace doctrine fell thru the crack and you could not refute me.
Teehehehaw