Married to unbeliever

You have NO idea how much these posts me to me at this VERY min that I am writing a letter to someone.
You have just done the work of God, PRAISE God!
Hey I hear you and people do make it a big issue and I would like to say : Let the Holy Spirit be your guide . We are not living in the dark ages and the Holy Spirt dirrects our pathes and no matter what people say or don't say , I will go by what the Holy Spirit tells me .

I think now because of my age , I am past all " What people say "
I liberated past pre-defined Christianity of church doctrine.
My revelations have reveled things most people here wont agree with, but thats fine.
Gods been my guide.
I dont mean liberated in all sense of the word "I can have sex with anyone and bla bla bla"
I just mean, past church doctrine.

Lets just say, I am far more worried about the work Im gonna accomplish than anything else :)
 

Ginger

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One might find clearer understanding if you knew exactly what "fornication" means.

From Strong's:
2) metaph. the worship of idols
a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

This word was used to refer to more than just sexual intercourse with someone.
 
I dont agree.. but I do at the same time... the English word means; voluntary sexual intercourse between persons not married to each other...
and it comes from a Greek word that dont even mean that..
Pornia - which is more geared towards prostitution and sexual immorality... the things you spoke of above.

It really is a complex thing, I am seeking God on it.. I dont know atm.
 

Ginger

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Porneia refers to the worship of idols in Rev. 2:14, 20–21.

I think being married to an unbeliever is different from being married to an atheist or JW or Muslim or Hindu. An unbeliever doesn't know God, yet. That is different from a person who has chosen to worship a false god or one who is determined to reject God.

I believer the Bible is clear we are not to have fellowship with these people.
 
One might find clearer understanding if you knew exactly what "fornication" means.

From Strong's:
2) metaph. the worship of idols
a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

This word was used to refer to more than just sexual intercourse with someone.

Hello Ginger,
Well yes and no. There is a marriage relationship between the Lord and his people. When His people go awhoring with idols then that is fornication. When a pagan worships the same Idols, that would not necessarily be fornification, just idolatry.
blessings,
calvin
 
Porneia refers to the worship of idols in Rev. 2:14, 20–21.

I think being married to an unbeliever is different from being married to an atheist or JW or Muslim or Hindu. An unbeliever doesn't know God, yet. That is different from a person who has chosen to worship a false god or one who is determined to reject God.

I believer the Bible is clear we are not to have fellowship with these people.

Ginger, your points are not entirely clear, to me at least.
If the Hindu worships a false god then is he not to be grouped with the pagans?
And are pagans not at the very least 'theists'?
But the atheist is declared a fool see Psa 14:1 infact the word fool might well be understood as a 'vile person.

11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.
Eph 5:11 Nkjv
What can be darker than the soul who denies God in any shape or form?
blessings,
calvin
 
Hello Ginger,
Well yes and no. There is a marriage relationship between the Lord and his people. When His people go awhoring with idols then that is fornication. When a pagan worships the same Idols, that would not necessarily be fornification, just idolatry.
blessings,
calvin

Yes that would be spiritual fornication. There is alots of physical fornication and adultery also in these last days
 

Ginger

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Whether you worship a false god or no god makes no difference from a Christian view. Athiests, agnostics and pagans are not Christian.

Where does the Bible say Christians are not to fellowship with them? That command started before Christianity.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty" (II Cor. 6:14-18).

Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 Ti 3:14-15 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count [him] not as an enemy, but admonish [him] as a brother.
1 Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
 

Michael Collum

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Whether you worship a false god or no god makes no difference from a Christian view. Athiests, agnostics and pagans are not Christian.

Where does the Bible say Christians are not to fellowship with them? That command started before Christianity.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty" (II Cor. 6:14-18).

Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 Ti 3:14-15 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count [him] not as an enemy, but admonish [him] as a brother.
1 Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Yyour references sound very levitical to me . Can you find a passage where Jesus did the exact opposite? i can .
 

Ginger

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Hi Michael,

Befriending a non-believer as a Christian (ie going out in the World and spreading the Gospel of Jesus) and marrying one.

We are called to go to the lost sheep as Jesus did - I assume that is what you are referring to.

I associated with atheists and others who are not Christian and I try to reflect Christ in my life to them. I do not put them in a position to negatively affect my life such as influence my children, etc.
When we associate with the secular World the purpose is to allow God to use us to raise them up, not to allow them to bring us down - which can easily happen.

These verses:
Ro 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 Ti 3:14-15 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count [him] not as an enemy, but admonish [him] as a brother.
1 Cr 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

are written for a reason.

 

Michael Collum

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*sigh* i guess i could then pre-emptively disassociate myself from everyone who appears to be under the law .. but i sense the leading of the holy spirit to give the benefit of the doubt . . . so i will .
 
Ahhh the unequally yoked verse, well I am out.

Sorry but I get very upset about the way people use that verse.
And as for Paul, he dont want you associating with wicked people, its a bit different to people that stand on moral ground.
 

Ginger

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It's obvious you don't undrstand what I am trying to say, Michael. In fact it looks like you didn't even read what I wrote, but responded to what you think I believe.

So let me put it this way, If I marry an unbeliever, he will have a s strong and constant influence over the children we have together. I will have to be very careful when addressing any pagan ideas he may bring into our home because I should not under mine his authority as a co-parent. (How can I tell my children "listen to daddy when he says..... he's right, but don't listen when he says ...he's wrong)

On the-other-hand, if the unbeliever is simply a friend of the family, I can limit the time and influence he has on my children. I can also correct the false teachings he introduces them to with greater authority as their parent.

I would not knowingly marry an unbeliever any more than I would child molester or a smoker.
 

Michael Collum

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Thank you Ginger,

remember that control is an illusion . but if you really want it . God is in it . but it's not real . just let go .

I recall someone making a judgmental statement about being unequally yoked when i first joined here so i didn't even mention i was married for a bit . but that's silly . don't really care what other people think . after i'm dead all that matters is what God thinks . and his mind is so much bigger than a book .
 

Ginger

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I really have no idea what you are talking about, so I'll just say I hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend. :)
 
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