^ In what way does the RCC make Mary equal to God? She definitly is not. And how does one go about seperating the divine and human natures of Jesus? A key tenant of Christianity is that Jesus was fully both, and the word needed to be "made flesh."
I am fairly sure that Jesus referred to himself as the Son of God fairly often during his life, referring to God as "his father in heaven." What do you make of his "But who do you say that I am?" discourse to Peter?
What do you mean by the woman not giving any blood to the conceived fetus? I believe when a baby is conceived, it takes on the DNA of both father and mother (miraculous conceptions not withstanding.)
What do you make of Gabriels announcement to Mary? "Hail full of Grace the Lord is with thee?" What did it mean when he said she was "full of grace" and "highly favored?"
Moreover, what is idolotrous about the following prayer?
"Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst all women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen"
In Christ, TrueChristian1990
he actualy did not often say if at all publicly he was the Son of God . He often said the Son of man .
and while he declared often that God was his father . That is not the same per se as saying he was the Son of God . Not that he or I deny it .
Under oath at his trial he was asked specifically if he was the Son of God ?
Note the way he replied and it was the only way he could . For he came not to declare himself but the Father . " Thou sayest it .
He was" declared to be the Son of God by rising from the dead "
It would be better if people read other peoples post more carefully.
I stated why the church at Rome error that she was born sinless made her equal with God fro by your own reasoning as jesus was the Son of God and was therefore equal with God only he was born sinless . if then you make Mary born sinless as well you make her equal with God.
While I am by the grace of God now a son of God .I am not equal with God.
Even though I am a begotten son of God . I am not the ONLY begotten Son of God.
I am begotten again through Jesus Christ . Prais God and a new creation.
He is the only begotten Son of God the FIRST born of a new creation.
He by birth me by "adoption" would be another way to say it .
Mary then could not be born sinless .On two grounds.
There is no scripture in ALL of scripture to support such an assertion nor is it even theologicaly possible and for a third I suggest you look at her geneology that IS stated in scripture .
The blood of the child is determined by the father not the mother .
The bible states the life is in the blood .
If Maries blood was in anyway 'involved' then her life which is after the first Adams would make the Lord a sinner .
Which he was not neither in act or in birth or born in sin and shapen in iniquity .
Jesus himself said hsi TRUE mother were "they who did the will of God "
That beign so . You will have to apply your reasoning to that also . For if I am his true mother how does your argument apply?
For if your argument was based upon Biblical truth then it would also apply to me .
But my blood has no bearing on me beign a son of God.
For I am not BORNagain " by the will of blood " ...... etc
But if I or a man is truly doign the will fo God then by Jesus I am hsi true mother .
If that is the case it is not my blood that matters but HIS!
The blood then of the child can be direct opposite of the mother. So much so that if they mixed in anyw ay the mother would die .So too the child.
Do not say this is not say this is not true as my wife had a blood group very different from mine and there was some concern over the life of our first born and care was needed both in the gestation and the birth .
But over and above that the scriptures clearly teach "The life is in the blood "
The life then that flowed in the Lords veins was the life of his father .
The life that flowed in Maries veins was the life of her father .
For Jesus was BORN of God .
Mary was born of Adam.
So what you or I believe is of no matter .It is what the scriptures say that matters most of all.
and our beliefs must or should coinicide with what God says and not what man says .
Ihave noticed that we have changed to the DNA. rather than the blood .
I hold that Gods word is above "so called "science , and while I do not deny the matters of DNA I will not nor can deny the truth of scripture.
So as the scriptures are always right what am I to do?
Understand the man does not know as much about DNA as he thinks he does and if he acts according to what he thinks he knows it will be to his undoing.
God on the other hand knows the end from the beginning .
and as he knows full well that the woman does not have the seed but the man .("The womans seed") for we are MAN kind not woman kind . For it is the m,an who has the seed not the woman .
For man was created out of the dust of the earth not the woman .
and the woman was created out of the body of the man .
Yet to teach and to show that this ONE ("IT") male ("HE") male child would be a man he was was born of a woman but NOT of Adams seed . Wisdom dictated he said "the seed of the woman.......... "
For we are all including Maryn are of Adams seed ,Born in sin and shapen in iquity " are born in the image of our father .Adam.
and thus like all men "sons of disobedience"
But Jesus "who is the express image of the invisible God " is the second and last Adam the first born of a new creation .
One that is born without sin and so like a seed "that falleth into the ground and dies brings forth much fruit" "after its own kind"
Bearing also the image of God For not only does Christ dwell in our hearts by faith but hsi seed remains in us.
Full of GRACE . Grace beign the unmeritted favour of God .
if she was sinless then would she have merited ? and therefore have no need of grace ?
As to your last comment .it is a half truth at best .
For on the face of it and to all appearences who can fault it ?
But man looketh on the apearance God looketh on the heart.
and it is what goes with it that makes it idolitory and a ruin to any man soul living or about to die .
Dont tell me this is not so either .
For I have been with a person soon to die . Whos blind obedience to Rome and clinging on to that false belief in Mary ensured that when she died if she so died she is now in hell.
and while my expereince is not the foundation fro any man .
You will have to understand that both by scripture and in life I have seen in both, the error and what it does and the consequences that Rome teaches.
Truly did Jesus speak of it "If your light be darkness how great is your darkness "
In Christ
gerald