Moving past this hurt & bitterness seems difficult :/

If that was true, then way do you accept some of it and then reject some of it???

I don't. Your accusations are unfounded.

All I am saying is that all of your theological comments are in 100% agreement to the Assembly of God statement of faith.

Lucky for them.

I guess that means then that "they" are part of your denomination since you are saying that you are not part of theirs.

No, it means that there are wonderful people out there who's got it going on!
 
Yes, It could simply be saying that a polygamist is not qualified to be an elder, a deacon or a pastor. This is the most literal interpretation of the phrase, "Husband of one wife", but seems very unlikely considering that polygamy was quite rare in the time that Paul was writing.

Married once is the understanding, and it goes for men as well as women, but in those days, women did not divorce and remarry. Men were doing that, and leaving women without spouses all over the place. Paul didn't have to make such a comment about women, but male leaders needed that proviso, just as Paul advised women to please be quiet and orderly in assembly.
 
Again, those questions have nothing to do with leadership of a New Test. church and the authority that God placed to lead His church falls upon the Man.

The Man? Really? Capitalized?

Actually, Jesus is our head. We all, male and female, follow Him together in roles of leadership He places us in.
 
Again, those questions have nothing to do with leadership of a New Test. church and the authority that God placed to lead His church falls upon the Man.

All of those points of debate are Yes and Amen! But they are not revelent to the conversation at hand.
Did God all of a sudden change his mind about in how he will work with man / women between the Old, and New Testament? Does God see a male or female when looks at a persons heart?
 
Married once is the understanding, and it goes for men as well as women, but in those days, women did not divorce and remarry. Men were doing that, and leaving women without spouses all over the place. Paul didn't have to make such a comment about women, but male leaders needed that proviso, just as Paul advised women to please be quiet and orderly in assembly.
That is good!!!
 
Did God all of a sudden change his mind about in how he will work with man / women between the Old, and New Testament? Does God see a male or female when looks at a persons heart?

Where Do you find the "Church" in the Old Test.?

Does God deal in Law today or does He deal in Grace?

Do you want to just ask questions back and forth or what?
 
The Man? Really? Capitalized?

Actually, Jesus is our head. We all, male and female, follow Him together in roles of leadership He places us in.

Splitting hairs?

Agreed and the fact of equality has never been an issue with me whatsoever. But when it comes to the Church I can not just cut out the Bible Scriptures which place the man in a position of authority over the Woman.

Anyone can do that if they choose. You, CA and the whole web site can do it, but I can't. I read the words, understand the words and do my best to follow those words.

I am not arguing the point, I am only saying that I believe what is found printed in the Scriptures. If all of guys want it to mean something else so as to fit your personal perspective then by all means do so.

Again, I am not the enemy and I see this differently then do some of you but in the end it comes down to obedience and nothing more. You read it and believe it or you read it and change it to mean what you want it to mean. Simple!
 
Where Do you find the "Church" in the Old Test.?

Does God deal in Law today or does He deal in Grace?

Do you want to just ask questions back and forth or what?

Is the "curse of the law" still in effect today? You better believe it is except for those who know they have been redeemed from it.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
 
Married once is the understanding, and it goes for men as well as women, but in those days, women did not divorce and remarry. Men were doing that, and leaving women without spouses all over the place. Paul didn't have to make such a comment about women, but male leaders needed that proviso, just as Paul advised women to please be quiet and orderly in assembly.

NO. It is your understanding.
What you are suggesting is one of several choices and it is your choice. You are welcome to it and in fact you may be correct.
 
Is the "curse of the law" still in effect today? You better believe it is except for those who know they have been redeemed from it.

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

An exposition of Romans 10:4, which says: "Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes," will help in understanding what is means that Christians are not under the law. The apostle Paul clarifies the effects of original sin in Romans 2:12, stating "All who sin apart from the law will perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law." All men stand condemned before God, whether they are Jews or not, or to put it another way, whether they have the Law of God or not. Paul also states "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).
 
NO. It is your understanding.
What you are suggesting is one of several choices and it is your choice. You are welcome to it and in fact you may be correct.
Yes, it's my understanding, all given by the Holy Spirit who confirms it.
 
I don't see it as getting off track Pancakes. A major part of your problem is your pastor and what the bible says about her being there. You have to understand that you (like all of us) need to choose today, whether or not we take the bible seriously.
I understand Pancakes. I won't quote Scripture directly, but I was told something like this at school. Some point in my life, I did feel like God left me alone. I couldn't hear, see or feel Him. Heck I even began to question His existence (no comment about that please anyone)! But like what one of the teachers told me at school, God doesn't talk through loud noises or voices or raging storms. But in silence. I know this is hard to comprehend and quite frankly I couldn't understand it either. But I realise that even though God doesn't talk back He is there and He is listening. He does answer your prays though you don't know it. I can say this from experience. God is there with you, it's just our five senses don't pick up His signal on the radar [emoji14]. I still remember what my year 8 teacher told me as well. Bad things will happen to good people. Good people deserve in all the might to be treated well and with respect and love. But unfortunately, its the not so good people who get that. Being a Christian, we're strong both spiritually and mentally. It is difficult I know. And trust me, I've been through the same struggles as you. Some people do believe their not worth an apology and under deserving. But trust me. Your worth more than you think. Of course, Scripture says it all. Church is good and all. But I remember Jesus said that church isn't a building with fancy statues and gold stuff. Church is actually a group of Believers. A group of people with faith who pray together. When I went away with some friends a while back, I couldn't attend church cause our school had other plans for sunday and there weren't many churches around. But thank goodness that two of those girls I went with were Christians. I still remember that the eldest said Grace before we dug into some 2 Minute Noodles. To me that was church. Just hanging around good Christian girls. Church is awesome. Yes. But honestly, praying with people is awesome too. Now I don't know if this random blob of stuff is gonna help, but I hope it does. Btw girls are awesome too. Jesus came to abolish sexism. Girls aren't inferior. We equal. I have a quote on my wall. It says. Woman was made from the rib of man. Not from his head to top him. Not from his foot to be stepped on by him. But from his side to be equal with him. Under his arm to be protected by him. And near his heart to be loved by him. Personally myself, men who don't act like that aren't nice at all. Girls can become priests. HALA I LOVE YOU PANCAKES! Thanks for helping me out too!
Thank you.
 
I am sorry about that sister! It is the nature of threads to evolve at times. I have always thought of it as the Holy Spirit opening the door to something He wanted discussed.

Please forgive me if I have done anything to rob you of the thread and its thought.

Its fine, I dont mind my threads branching off..it just seems everyone is settled in their opinion and opinions are just being ping ponged back and forth, with out one side letting up...
 
Splitting hairs?

Agreed and the fact of equality has never been an issue with me whatsoever. But when it comes to the Church I can not just cut out the Bible Scriptures which place the man in a position of authority over the Woman.

Anyone can do that if they choose. You, CA and the whole web site can do it, but I can't. I read the words, understand the words and do my best to follow those words.

I am not arguing the point, I am only saying that I believe what is found printed in the Scriptures. If all of guys want it to mean something else so as to fit your personal perspective then by all means do so.

Again, I am not the enemy and I see this differently then do some of you but in the end it comes down to obedience and nothing more. You read it and believe it or you read it and change it to mean what you want it to mean. Simple!
FALSE! Males are not in authority over females. God has not ordained that. You read into scripture ideas that have been planted in your head by people with denominational indoctrination.
 
FALSE! Males are not in authority over females. God has not ordained that. You read into scripture ideas that have been planted in your head by people with denominational indoctrination.
So, what you're saying is that "denominational indoctrination" is in some way inferior to what you have, which is "non-denominational indoctrination".
By every word you speak the "non-denomination" you belong to becomes more evident.
 
FALSE! Males are not in authority over females. God has not ordained that. You read into scripture ideas that have been planted in your head by people with denominational indoctrination.

My sister, you can not mean that.

Eph 5:23 ...........
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body”.

1Co 7:4 ..........
The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife).

Num 30:13,14..........
Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void. But if her husband altogether hold his peace at her from day to day; then he establisheth all her vows, or all her bonds, which are upon her: he confirmeth them, because he held his peace at her in the day that he heard them


1 Timothy 2:11-15 ...................
"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."

Ephesians 5:22-33
"Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.
 
So, what you're saying is that "denominational indoctrination" is in some way inferior to what you have, which is "non-denominational indoctrination".
By every word you speak the "non-denomination" you belong to becomes more evident.

Amen! I am glad someone else has seen that as well!
 
Its fine, I dont mind my threads branching off..it just seems everyone is settled in their opinion and opinions are just being ping ponged back and forth, with out one side letting up...

I would say that some of us are opinionated and then there is me and I am only posting Bible verses.
 
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