No, rather the point of Hebrews there was to show the contrast between the limited and Temp Levitical Aaronic priesthood, and the eternal priesthood of Lord jesus, but that was not him back there!
Must one Hold to the trinity to be saved?
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There is only one omnipresent God who is Spirit in heaven, it was the same Spirit on earth in Jesus, and the same Spirit who dwells in our hearts. There is One God who has dominion in three realms. I am not sure how the One God came to be described as three persons, perhaps we are missing the word 'revealed or manifest in heaven, on earth in the person of Jesus, and in our hearts?' I'm not even sure if we should call God a person, and I am certain I do not have a person living in my heart, the presence of God yes.
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Greetings, Cooper,
Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Those who try to foist angels into that mix in order for there to be an "us" in those statements, they will have a hard road to go to prove, theologically, that the creations known as angels had any measure of creative power akin to that of Deity.
So when you say that you don't understand where the plurality came from, then you will have to explain this one away without violating any other elements of truth throughout scripture, and will have to assume that the angels were similar to Deity in many, if not all, different aspects and attributes.
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Try again and tell me where the word "person" comes from with regard to the Trinity. I do not see it in scripture. Thank you.
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Took on physical forms? What form were they before they did that? That idea isn't supported in God's Word either.
Such ideas are part of a fleshy carnal thinking, and not understanding about the two separate dimensions of existence per God's written Word.
In 1 Corinthians 15:44, Apostle Paul declared that there is a natural body (flesh), and there is a spiritual body. And in verse 49 Paul said that as we have borne the "image of the earthy", we shall also bear the "image of the heavenly". That is connection with what Lord Jesus said in John 3 about being 'born again'. One cannot enter into the kingdom of God unless he is born of waters and of The Spirit. And then Jesus said that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of The Spirit is spirit. This is also conjunction with what Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15:50 about the world to come, that flesh and blood cannot... inherit the kingdom of God.
So how many brethren missed all that as written in God's Word?
There's 2 different dimensions of existence written of in God's Word folks. This earthly-universe one made up material matter, and then the Heavenly one which is made up of Spirit. The Heavenly one was first with The Godhead. And like I have declared several times already from Genesis 1:26-27, He created aadam (Hebrew for man) with HIS image and likeness, and we know that is about the image of man.
And since that also is the image likeness which angels appear with on earth per His Word, that means they have that image of man outward likeness while in the heavenly dimension also. It does not mean they have to put take on flesh or any such idea as flesh just to appear on earth. Apostle Paul in Hebrews 13:2 where he said to be mindful to entertain strangers, because some have entertained angels unaware. That was to show that we cannot tell any difference between an angel appearing with the image of man than another human being. It does not mean they suddenly sprout wings when they go back into the heavenly dimension like some kindergarten fairy tale.
Do you hold to then Modualism or Oneness as to the nature of God?
Th eplural on hebfrew would be to the trinity, not to God and His angels!
persons denote that each member of the trinity can think, talk, have Omni attributes!
Angels exist as spiritual beings, who when sent to earth assume and take on physical huamn like forms, but are still angels!
Only man was created in Image of God
How many persons do you see here?
“Head of State, Chief Executive, Commander in Chief, Head of Government, Chief Diplomat, Manager of the Economy and Ceremonial Head of State.”
I see only one. Do you know why?
I hold to neither Modalism nor Oneness.
Oneness states that Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Modalism states that God is a single person who, throughout biblical history, has revealed Himself in three modes or forms. Thus, God is a single person who first manifested himself in the mode of the Father in Old Testament times. At the incarnation, the mode was the Son; and after Jesus’ ascension, the mode is the Holy Spirit. These modes are consecutive and never simultaneous. (Carm)
Both of the above are incorrect.
What I believe is that the One Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient God was manifest in Jesus Christ and that he was “God manifest on earth, according to the scriptures."
"Unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this [shall be] a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, goodwill toward men.”
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Nothing written to say they take on human form. The image of man originates from God's Own Image, not from the earth.
Apparently not, otherwise the angels would not also have that image of man, and like you said angels are not flesh human beings. So I think we can dispense with all those carnal ideas applied to the word 'man', because even the Archangel's name Gabriel means 'man of God'.
Heb 1:1-3
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
KJV
The Greek for "person" is still a vague expression, and the KJV translators simply chose the word 'person' to English.
NT:5287
hupostasis (hoop-os'-tas-is); from a compound of NT:5259 and NT:2476; a setting under (support), i.e. (figuratively) concretely, essence, or abstractly, assurance (objectively or subjectively):
KJV - confidence, confident, person, substance.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
That is wonderful. I have been looking in all the translations for the word ‘person’ and you found it in the NKJV. Notice it is 'person' in the singular, and not persons, ending the debate about three persons.
Read what the Believers Bible Commentary says about verse 3.
1:3 He is the outshining of God's glory, that is, all the perfections that are found in God the Father are found in Him also. He is the radiance of His glory. All the moral and spiritual glories of God are seen in Him.
Further, the Lord Jesus is the exact image of God's essential being. This cannot, of course, refer to physical likeness because God is, in essence, a Spirit. It means that in every conceivable way Christ exactly represents the Father. No closer resemblance could be possible. The Son, being God, reveals to man by His words and ways exactly what God is like.
And He upholds the universe by the word of His power. Originally He spoke to bring the worlds into being (Heb_11:3). Still He speaks and His powerful word sustains life, holds matter together and maintains the universe in proper order. It is by Him that all things hold together (Col_1:17). Here is a simple explanation of a profound scientific problem. Scientists grapple to discover what holds molecules together. We learn here that Jesus Christ is the great Sustainer, and He does it by His powerful word.
But the next glory of our Saviour is the most amazing of all—when He had by Himself purged our sins. The Creator and the Sustainer became the Sin-bearer.
In order to create the universe, He only had to speak. In order to maintain and guide the universe, He only has to speak because no moral issue is involved. But in order to put away our sin once and for all, He had to die on the cross of Calvary. It is staggering to think that the sovereign Lord would stoop to become the sacrificial Lamb. “Love so amazing, so divine, demands my soul, my life, my all,” as Isaac Watts' hymn says.
Finally, we have His exaltation as the enthroned Lord: He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high. He sat down—the posture of rest. This is not the rest following toil, but the rest of satisfaction in a finished work. This posture indicates that the work of redemption has been completed.
The right hand of the Majesty on high is the position of honour and privilege (Heb_1:13). Because of His glorious triumph, God has highly exalted Him. The right hand is also the position of power (Mat_26:64) and delight (Psa_16:11). The nail-scarred hand of the Saviour holds the sceptre of universal dominion (1Pe_3:22).
In summary:- Jesus is the Father made visible.
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Wouldn't this be equivalent to saying, 'the Son is the Father made visible?
OOOps.........you just deferred the question MM asked you!
Not to be a pest.........But the Bible does not call Gabriel an "Arch Angel".
YES Davy, angels has takem human form and men did not know and some did know.
Hebrews 13:2 ........
“Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.”
Angels can appear in different ways because they are pure spirits who have no inherent physical form/DNA.
2 Kings 6:16-17 = in which Elisha prayed that God would open his eyes so he could see the angelic army around him, and God did so.
Genesis chapter 18 records a time when three angels (one of whom was the Pre-incarnant Christ) appeared as men to Abraham and Sarah. The angels even ate a human meal while they were there. One of the angels prophesied that Abraham and Sarah would have a son the next year, even though they were both in their old age at that time. When Sarah laughed to herself at that thought, the Angel of the Lord asked her why she laughed, and Sarah was surprised that he knew about it.
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