Must one Hold to the trinity to be saved?

[Major]

who said not calling God a trinity is a heresy? MAN or God?

because i don't find it in the Bible and the Bible is the ONLY AUTHORITY!

“For the Trinity, instead of using the formula 1+1+1, we use 1x1x1. Basic mathematics tells us that 1x1x1 = 1.”

 

[GodisSpirit]

“For the Trinity, instead of using the formula 1+1+1, we use 1x1x1. Basic mathematics tells us that 1x1x1 = 1.”

i was raised AoG and Baptist. i just one day was reading and thought to myself, who is more important here, the doctrines of men or what God has Inspired? God did not inspire Doctrines because they don't say what the Bible says WORD FOR WORD!

 

[Hopefull]

Only way could see this happening would be if demons, fallen angels. had possessed those men, who then were used to procreate!

Now that is an interesting thought.

 

[blueskies]

Fallen Angels would have done same way as how Mary became pregnant.

Interesting interpretation, I find this disturbing on several levels.

 

[Cooper]

But it does say that we have to believe in the PERSON of the Lord Jesus to be saved and HE is the 2nd PERSON of the Trinity.

IMO Father and Son are two words that have been used to describe the ONE omnipresent God in heaven and on earth. Before the incarnation it was not necessary, but now, 2000 years later, Son describes God on earth and Father describes God in Heaven, but spiritually, it is the same omnipresent God, and as God is One, the words 'three persons' are unnecessary.

 

[Cooper]

I do not agree with you.

The Trinity is all through the Bible IF you want to see it my friend.

The flour to the bread of Christianity, cannot be understood through human reason. The mysteriousness of the Trinity, however, hasn’t stopped believers from spending centuries examining and clarifying its doctrine. The core elements of the Trinity are described in no uncertain terms:
God is only one, but exists in three distinct persons. The divine persons do not share one divinity but are each wholly and entirely God, existing in relationship with one another.

Jesus refers to God as Father, telling his followers in John 10:30 that.......
“I and the Father are one”.

At the Last Supper, Jesus tells the apostles that though he is leaving them his Father will send the Holy Spirit to teach and guide them. It is largely through Jesus, therefore, that we have come to know the three persons of the Trinity as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The flesh was not God, but we are counting it in, giving us three when it should be one.

 

[Hopefull]

The flesh was not God, but we are counting it in, giving us three when it should be one.

When Christ was baptised the Spirit decended upon him like a dove and a voice from heaven said this is my Son in whom Im pleased. So you have the Son, Holy Spirit and the Father. Same place, same time. How do you explain this?

 

[GodisSpirit]

Interesting interpretation, I find this disturbing on several levels.

why?

Angels are spirit. they cannot be physically intimate with humans. how else could they plant seeds into women that bore the nephillim (half angel half human)?

 

[GodisSpirit]

When Christ was baptised the Spirit decended upon him like a dove and a voice from heaven said this is my Son in whom Im pleased. So you have the Son, Holy Spirit and the Father. Same place, same time. How do you explain this?

Jesus said in Matthew 12 He cast out demons by the Holy Spirit and in John 14:10 said the Father dwelled in Him doing the Works and speaking. is this not the same? All 3 are together in Christ?

 

[Cooper]

When Christ was baptised the Spirit decended upon him like a dove and a voice from heaven said this is my Son in whom Im pleased. So you have the Son, Holy Spirit and the Father. Same place, same time. How do you explain this?

Jesus was fully man.

 

[Cooper]

“For the Trinity, instead of using the formula 1+1+1, we use 1x1x1. Basic mathematics tells us that 1x1x1 = 1.”

You weren't Trump's accountant were you? So how come people make it three, including yourself?

 

[Hopefull]

No offense intended to anyone but this thread is like the proverbial train wreck. Horrible sight but have to watch.

 

[Hopefull]

Jesus was fully man.

So He wasnt concieved by the Holy Spirit? Was Joseph his father then?

 

[Cooper]

So He wasnt concieved by the Holy Spirit? Was Joseph his father then?

God created man from the dust of the ground, but It was Mary's flesh right enough

 

[GodisSpirit]

No offense intended to anyone but this thread is like the proverbial train wreck. Horrible sight but have to watch.

i agree and know i am part of that trainwreck.
but then again, if you never read the Bible and just lived off of Creeds, how secure would your Salvation be?
i keep reading people's Creeds or the Denomination's Creed more than the actual Word of God. and that's what i don't understand. why would someone elevate their Creed to the same level as God's Holy Word?

 

[Cooper]

Lights out. Nighty night all.

 

[Cooper]

So He wasnt concieved by the Holy Spirit? Was Joseph his father then?

No, Joseph adopted him. The Catholics have a word for it, but I forget. Was it the Immaculate conception?

 

[GodisSpirit]

i agree and know i am part of that trainwreck.
but then again, if you never read the Bible and just lived off of Creeds, how secure would your Salvation be?
i keep reading people's Creeds or the Denomination's Creed more than the actual Word of God. and that's what i don't understand. why would someone elevate their Creed to the same level as God's Holy Word?

look at the Jews and the Talmud. the Talmud is nothing but Creeds. that won't save them and neither will the Christian Creeds save those calling themselves Christian. it's actually Blasphemy and having other gods before God.

 

[Hopefull]

No, Joseph adopted him. The Catholics have a word for it, but I forget. Was it the Immaculate conception?

So He wasnt fully man when baptised? The immaculate conception they claim about Mary. You seem to jump all over the place.

 

[GodisSpirit]

Interesting interpretation, I find this disturbing on several levels.

you know the Jews break down the history from Creation to Flood, Flood to 1st Temple, 1st temple to destruction, destruction to 2nd Temple, and then we have the New Testament.

have you ever wondered why Jesus, Paul, Peter, and Jude quote the Oral before Written views of Enoch?

where did Peter get Fallen Angels have been locked up in Hades so Fallen Angels are not demons if they are locked up?
where did Jude get Fallen Angels that left their First estate from?

if Fallen Angels are locked up and been locked up since Genesis 6, where do Demons come from?

where is Paul, Peter, and Jude getting this stuff about Fallen Angels and inheritances of Nations from?